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[LobselVith8]

Making humans suffer as werewolves despite not being part of the crime, killing humans and razing merchants who had nothing to do with the kidnap and plenty of evidence to show that, dalish treating city elves and dwarfs like crap, the fiasco in MoE ect

 

I can play this game, too. Karras and Alrik raping mages, Alrik and his cronies making mages tranquil to use them sexually, templars torturing a child of the Dalish with fire to extract information on Feynriel, a templar death squad murdering civilians, and the Templar Order following orders by carrying out the execution of the Circle of Kirkwall for an act the mages weren't responsible for. You were saying?

 

Not only did you completely disregard that my post was focused on the Dales, you condemned the Dalish as a whole for the actions of a few. You can do that with the Order of Templars or the Chantry of Andraste as well, but I notice that you don't treat the templars or the Chantry in the same fashion that you've vilified the Dalish, which is odd considering how you're demonizing an ethnic group for what a few people have done while you gloss over the actions of an organization with fundamental rules that some of us disagree strongly with, to the point where some dislike the Chantry and don't wish to bear the mantle of Andraste's Herald.

 

Dalish are dicks whos lore contradicts facts.

 

You mean the Dalish historical account contradicts the Chantry historical account.

[Silfren]

Then you should have no problem citing a source then. It's been a good year since I asked you for them, and I'm still waiting.  

 

You're being deliberately obtuse at this point.  The lore is clear that Chantry doctrine holds that the Chant must be spread to the four corners of the world.  Verses in the Chant condemn other religions as false and exalt the Maker as the only true God.  Throughout all the games, there are Chantry clergy who verbally express this view, up to and including referring to people who are not Chantry-ists, with derogatory language.  

 

I could take the time to cite each and every instance, but I know you've played the same game I have, so you really are just being obtuse in trying to pretend you don't see it.  The lore concerning Chantry doctrine is crystal clear, and you're just as aware of it as the rest of us.  

 

Nothing about Chantry doctrine is conducive in any way, shape, or form, with peaceful co-existence.  Militancy to replace other religions with the Chantry one is built into the foundation of the faith.

[Master Warder Z_]

You mean the Dalish historical account contradicts the Chantry historical account.

 

It's inaccurate.

[Master Warder Z_]

Nothing about Chantry doctrine is conducive in any way, shape, or form, with peaceful co-existence.  Militancy to replace other religions with the Chantry one is built into the foundation of the faith.

 

Funny about how well they seem to get on with the dwarves then.

[Br3admax]

*snip for your opinions*

Okay, and an example? How is it being obtuse for me to ask you to actually cite a source. One? One single source? One that says the Chantry wants no other religions to exist. I can give several of everyone else doing what you're accusing the Chantry of doing, but you can't give me one of the Chantry actually doing what you claim? 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

It's inaccurate.

 

Dalish "history" can basically be summed up as "We were so excellent and perfect and wonderful until those filthy shems came along and ruined everything! Nothing that has happened to us has ever in any way been even partially our fault. We are the only true elves!"

[Mr.House]

 

Nothing about Chantry doctrine is conducive in any way, shape, or form, with peaceful co-existence.  Militancy to replace other religions with the Chantry one is built into the foundation of the faith.

Welcome to religion.

[LobselVith8]

They chose to isolate themselves from humans in general, it could have been a generally benign country like Antiva as their neighbour & they'd still have reacted with hostility towards them

 

The Dales isolated themselves from Orlais, who do not represent the entirety of humanity, but a nation created by conquest through Drakon's Exalted Marches. The elves isolating themselves from a neighbor who conquered their other neighbors to impose Drakon's Cult of the Maker on the populace doesn't represent how they would necessarily respond to other human nations, and there were problems between the Dales and Orlais, to the point it prevented Drakon from conquering the Free Marches.

 

You're also inserting conjecture as evidence. Let's stick with the facts.

[raging_monkey]

I can play this game, too. Karras and Alrik raping mages, Alrik and his cronies making mages tranquil to use them sexually, templars torturing a child of the Dalish with fire to extract information on Feynriel, a templar death squad murdering civilians, and the Templar Order following orders by carrying out the execution of the Circle of Kirkwall for an act the mages weren't responsible for. You were saying?  You mean the Dalish historical account contradicts the Chantry historical account.

kirkwall's templars dont reflect chantry veiws its fact that they were extremist(both sides).

[Mr.House]

I like how these dalish defenders ignore the fact that the dwarfs and chantry have a very healthy partnership. You want to know why? They are not dicks like the dalish.

[introverted_assassin]

Umm did you ever get Bro. Burkel that chantry in Orzammar? The epilogue wasn't kind about how that ended.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I like how these dalish defenders ignore the fact that the dwarfs and chantry have a very healthy partnership. You want to know hwy? They are not dicks like the dalish.

 

Especially with a great King like Bhelen in charge!

 

Now that's how to be a real reformer! *Not like that weak fool Celene*

[Br3admax]

Umm did you ever get Bro. Burkel that chantry in Orzammar? The epilogue wasn't kind about how that ended.

Those dwarves were saving him from his oppressive religion. Don't you dare pretend they just murdered a man because he didn't accept tradition. 

[Mr.House]

Umm did you ever get Bro. Burkel that chantry in Orzammar? The epilogue wasn't kind about how that ended.

I ignore that scum of a dwarf.

[LobselVith8]

lol using mage and templar arguments for a dalish one, 10/10

 

So instead of addressing the points that I made, you blatantly disregarded them. You're willing to vilify the entirety of the Dalish for the actions of a few, but you won't adddress that the same could be said for the Templar Order, or even the Chantry, considering how entire towns of men, women, and children were killed by Chantry forces. You might want to refrain from the conversation if you're unwilling to participate in the discussion.

[Master Warder Z_]

Umm did you ever get Bro. Burkel that chantry in Orzammar? The epilogue wasn't kind about how that ended.

 

Only in so far as the Chantry not willing to tolerate its followers being butchered in the street.

 

That's fair i think.

[A Clever Name]

Tbh, the Dalish deserve to be seen as villains, is thanks to their kind that elves became what they are in modern times, the Dales were a perfect opportunity for elves to become great allies but instead they choose extreme isolation & hostility which ended in their destruction

 

Making humans suffer as werewolves despite not being part of the crime, killing humans and razing merchants who had nothing to do with the kidnap and plenty of evidence to show that, dalish treating city elves and dwarfs like crap, the fiasco in MoE ect

 

Dalish are dicks whos lore contradicts facts.

 

/go city elves

 

Which is why I felt SOOOO good about helping the Werewolves wipe them out, executing Velanna, and killing Merrill's clan.

 

 

I'm not sure how this is even on topic now, guys.

[Mr.House]

So instead of addressing the points that I made, you blatantly disregarded them. You're willing to vilify the entirety of the Dalish for the actions of a few, but you won't adddress that the same could be said for the Templar Order, or even the Chantry, considering how entire towns of men, women, and children were killed by Chantry forces. You might want to refrain from the conversation if you're unwilling to participate in the discussion.

Because you did a apple to oranges argument. If you don't want people to mock your argument and take it serious, then make sure the dam argument fits what is going on.

[LobselVith8]

I like how these dalish defenders ignore the fact that the dwarfs and chantry have a very healthy partnership. You want to know why? They are not dicks like the dalish.

 

You mean the dwarves who live in a virtually impenetrable mountain, and have a monopoly on a substance that both templars and mages require, and only dwarves can safely mine?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Because you did a apple to oranges argument. If you don't want people to mock your argument and take it serious, then make sure the dam argument fits what is going on.

 

But hating on Templars, loving mages, and never seeing any flaws in the Dalish is their favorite *ie only* tactic!

[AresKeith]

I like how these dalish defenders ignore the fact that the dwarfs and chantry have a very healthy partnership. You want to know why? They are not dicks like the dalish.

 

There's one good thing to say about the Dalish

 

They don't have this douche as a leader lol

 

[Br3admax]

You mean the dwarves who live in a virtually impenetrable mountain, and have a monopoly on a substance that both templars and mages require, and only dwarves can safely mine?

No, he means the one not a part of the Carta. 

[CrazyRah]

There's one good thing to say about the Dalish

 

They don't have this douche as a leader lol

 

*snip*

 

Always a good thing that. Oh dear it so could've been worse for the Dalish 

[Uccio]

They've said that we'll be able to either embrace or deny the title. I doubt most would listen to you if they just want to find a new hero to save them.

 

That goes along with the pre-set story ala ME3. You can deny it but then everyone dies. If you "embrace" it you will be saving the world, siding with templars and loyal circles for the chantry like a good andrastian.

[Steelcan]

You mean the dwarves who live in a virtually impenetrable mountain, and have a monopoly on a substance that both templars and mages require, and only dwarves can safely mine?

they still get along fairly well, trade between them flourishes