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[Drasanil]

No, an elf in the alienage can't possibly be qualified for any job involving combat because reasons...

 

True, he was probably just meant to be the company's frolicking mascot or something!

[Icy Magebane]

For one thing, the templars are gone rogue and off their rocker, so they're likely acting even more zealous, for another, it's entirely possible the Dalish are getting a lot of previous circle elven mages running to them for protection from the templars. An influx of mage members could definitely turn the templars more on them, and they may want to know just how long they can expect to have mage elves running to them.

Well, to be honest I think the Templars have more to worry about than the Dalish, but that's just me... assuming things go the way you suggest, I guess that would give them reason to attack specific clans.  Maybe the Keeper of the PC's clan is planning to open the gates and let in whatever elven mages wish to join?  I suppose it could happen, but that goes back to the idea that there's something going on that we are unaware of.  Based strictly on the details that we know right now, I find the background story a bit weak... hopefully there are details being kept from us right now that will fill in some of the gaps.  Well, for those how even see them as gaps, I guess...

[TheEternalStudent]

I do not claim to imply that no elves aside from Dalish are competent in the martial arts. My point is that it is an unusual skill, one that  puts a great deal of limitation on Character. Furthermore it makes more sense for the Dalish to want to know if mages and Templars will be waging bloody war across Thedas than for a noble to attend a peace summit that they can not contribute anything to, nor gain any significant advantage from first-hand knowledge of the events.
Yes, of course we have had City Elves who can fight, but these are uncommon, and it's probably worth mentioning, never given a position of importance anywhere near that of personal bodyguard.

[The Elder King]

Why is there a noble here? We have the noble born human helping the Chantry, but why is some Count or whatever joining this peace summit between the Chantry, Templars, and Mages, all of whom forefit noble standing,
And you said boodyguard, which is a personal mercenary, one you pay to keep you safe.

I think The PC isn't the only Trevalyan in the conference.

Well, to be honest I think the Templars have more to worry about than the Dalish, but that's just me... assuming things go the way you suggest, I guess that would give them reason to attack specific clans.  Maybe the Keeper of the PC's clan is planning to open the gates and let in whatever elven mages wish to join?  I suppose it could happen, but that goes back to the idea that there's something going on that we are unaware of.  Based strictly on the details that we know right now, I find the background story a bit weak... hopefully there are details being kept from us right now that will fill in some of the gaps.  Well, for those how even see them as gaps, I guess...

I don't see why it's impossible for the dalish to worry that the templars, if they meet them, might decide to kill their mages.
Though as I said before, I think the mage-templar was is a huge threat to everyone.

[The Elder King]

I do not claim to imply that no elves aside from Dalish are competent in the martial arts. My point is that it is an unusual skill, one that  puts a great deal of limitation on Character. Furthermore it makes more sense for the Dalish to want to know if mages and Templars will be waging bloody war across Thedas than for a noble to attend a peace summit that they can not contribute anything to, nor gain any significant advantage from first-hand knowledge of the events.
Yes, of course we have had City Elves who can fight, but these are uncommon, and it's probably worth mentioning, never given a position of importance anywhere near that of personal bodyguard.

I think the Trevalyans partecipate in the conferente regardless of the PC's presence. For example, I think there'll be member of the family at the conference even if the PC is a mage.
And again, a elf can join a mercenary company, become famous in to and get hired as others as bodyguards, as the qunari PC.

[TheEternalStudent]

I think The PC isn't the only Trevalyan in the conference.

Right, but as an assistant to the Chantry, and the youngest child of the family. That's different from a random noble, with a title and everything.

 

I think the Trevalyans partecipate in the conferente regardless of the PC's presence. For example, I think there'll be member of the family at the conference even if the PC is a mage.
And again, a elf can join a mercenary company, become famous in to and get hired as others as bodyguards, as the qunari PC.

I too assume that, like Origins, each potential character is present, but there is some aspect that causes them to become the Inquisitor (like Duncan in Origins).
And I don't think the mercenaries make sense, which side asked for mercenaries, especially ones that are generally considered heathens, and recruit apostates. I don't think any faction thinks about the consequences of their actions to thoroughly, but still, wth?

[The Elder King]

Right, but as an assistant to the Chantry, and the youngest child of the family. That's different from a random noble, with a title and everything.
 

I too assume that, like Origins, each potential character is present, but there is some aspect that causes them to become the Inquisitor (like Duncan in Origins).
And I don't think the mercenaries make sense, which side asked for mercenaries, especially ones that are generally considered heathens, and recruit apostates. I don't think any faction thinks about the consequences of their actions to thoroughly, but still, wth?

Well in this case, the only one who makes perfect sense is the human one.
We should keep in mind that they created the conference plot with a human only background in mind. The races came up later.

[TheEternalStudent]

Well in this case, the only one who makes perfect sense is the human one.
We should keep in mind that they created the conference plot with a human only background in mind. The races came up later.

I'd go so far as to say the only one that makes sense is the human mage.
And alas, your second point is quite true. My point is just that Dalish elf has holes, but City elf seems yet more shoddy, and really Bioware should give the elves more love.

[Uirebhiril]

I had thought I read somewhere that the elf clans are having their every-so-often big meeting when all of this starts, so it could make sense they were nearby and the Keeper for the Dalish character sends them over to have a look. But I could also be remembering wrong.

 

Either way, I wouldn't be surprised if things are explained better or otherwise make a lot more sense in context of the game. A blurb on the website isn't going to carry a lot of background information, because shouldn't we be finding that out in game anyway?

[Lady Luminous]

I assume you mean the Dalish story specifically when you say 'this whole plot'. If you meant the game's plot, then you are wrong I am not against it at all. There are a few iffy things sure, but that can be said about every game since nothing is perfect. But I see no positives to what they have done with the Elf backstory other than "Well it is an elf". It made the Elf from tied for first as most anticipated race to play to last for me. Especially since from what we've heard so far it even restricts the kind of Dalish elf you can be. 

 

 

Yes I meant the Elf plot. Are we seriously going to have this conversation again? You haven't played it yet, you don't know what kind of Dalish you can be. 

 

I'm starting to think you're being deliberately obtuse where Elves are concerned!