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[Chiramu]

There is a way to get a Dalish Inquisitor into the story, the dev team might have been able to create a City Elf origin story if they had more time, but would you really wait for it? 

[PsychoBlonde]

Keep in mind we have never really played as that human underclass them selves yet.

You mean apart from Hawke?

[Mr.Hmm]

There is a way to get a Dalish Inquisitor into the story, the dev team might have been able to create a City Elf origin story if they had more time, but would you really wait for it? 

 

I am pretty sure lots of people would definitely WAIT for it(that will give them more time to add content that was/might be cut from main game, lets hope NOT ), although we want it to be released already .

 

But sadly they wont push back the release date again just for that

[Osena109]

No one will take a city elf  Seriously  in orlais

[Mr.Hmm]

From talking to Leliana in DA:O you can find out that the City Elf's are treated pretty good(living in luxury and the like) but only well trained ones , well in Orlais

[DragonDroppings]

From talking to Leliana in DA:O you can find out that the City Elf's are treated pretty good(living in luxury and the like) but only well trained ones , well in Orlais

Reading the Masked Empire, you find that city elves are treated like animals. Including the well-trained servants in Orlais.

[Mr.Hmm]

Oh that , now I remember that I forgot to read the Masked Empire...... gonna read what i can while paying attention to Forums(if i can even manage that ).

Thanks for the reminder Droppings

[aTigerslunch]

I don't see a purpose for a city elf being at the location in order to become Inquisitor.  If part of a merc group, they don't reference themselves as city elves.

[Osena109]

Reading the Masked Empire, you find that city elves are treated like animals. Including the well-trained servants in Orlais.

yea Chevaliers  go to Alienages and murder elfs as test so you think  they will support  a city elf

[Kapsejs]

Besides, there's the magic issue. As others have said before, it would have been very expensive and a bit unnecessary to have two backgrounds for the elves, plus there would be complains that the elf players would get extra content. I don't doubt that it would have been interested to play as a CE (I played both a CE and a Dalish in Origin and enjoyed them both, but I liked the underdog CE warden better) but if they would have chosen the CE's instead of the Dalish they would have had to adress the issue of magic too.

An elf dwelling in the city would have had a much harder time to develop their skills than a Keeper's First, who would have been encouraged. They would have focused more on keeping it hidden instead of learning to use it.
Ok, Hawke and Bethany managed to keep their powers hidden, but Hawke had plot armor that kept templars from realizing he/she was using magic right in front of them.

Besides, if you don't like the Dalish customs but still wants to play like an elf, don't let it stop you. Make an elf who is curious about other races and gets embarrassed when the Dalish acts suspicious!
"I see you have brought Shemlen to our camp, lethallin... They can't be trusted."
"Aww, come on guys, there's a world to save, do we really have to go through this again?"

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

id pay for a city elf DLC...

[ManOfSteel]

Because the elf's story requires that he or she is Dalish. That's the story BioWare want to tell, and therefore that's the option they're providing you.

[Felya87]

id pay for a city elf DLC...

 

same here...replayed DAO and DA2 and reading the masked empire. Beside Velanna and Ariani (Merrill is almost demented, she doesn't count as "like". is compassion towards someone with mental deficities), I can't stand any Dalish Elf.

I will need a lot of headcanon to play a Dalish in DAI.   (that mean: City Elves parents that entered in a clan because desperate)

[schall_und_rauch]

Why can't I play a Chasind?

Why can't I play a refugee from Tevinter?

Why can't I play an Orlesian noble who was trained as a Chevalier?

Why can't I play a human apostate?

 

...because things are what they are.

The developers have allocated their ressources to provide backgrounds for all races and classes (except dwarven mage, of course), evenly distributed.

By adding more backgrounds, they'd either cut the significance and background-specific content for each single background, or they would simply cut other backgrounds.

 

Would the world be better if they added city elf, human apostate and Chasind inquisitors, but cut the possibility of Qunari inquisitors? I doubt it.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Actually, the Human Mage is an Amell, so they were born into nobility.

 

But you lose your nobility and all its perks the minute you are inducted into the Circle. You become part of a subclass in society, property of the Chantry and Templars. So no, a human mage is not a noble, even though your family remains noble.

[schall_und_rauch]

Are there actually ever any evidence that something like "city elf mercenary groups" exist?

I can't recall one.

 

If there was one, I would believe that the Orlesian government would do their best to exterminate them, so those vermin elves don't get uppity and think they can challenge the business that is reserved for proper noble human knights.

[Arakat]

Why can't I play a Chasind?

Why can't I play a refugee from Tevinter?

Why can't I play an Orlesian noble who was trained as a Chevalier?

Why can't I play a human apostate?

 

...because things are what they are.

The developers have allocated their ressources to provide backgrounds for all races and classes (except dwarven mage, of course), evenly distributed.

By adding more backgrounds, they'd either cut the significance and background-specific content for each single background, or they would simply cut other backgrounds.

 

Would the world be better if they added city elf, human apostate and Chasind inquisitors, but cut the possibility of Qunari inquisitors? I doubt it.

 

Exactly.

 

Personally, I'd much prefer playing a city elf, but since Bioware has decided that a Dalish protagonist makes more sense for this particular story, there's really nothing anyone can do about it. But I doubt they'll force us to play only a stereotypical Dalish character; there will probably be choices to either agree or disagree with the common Dalish beliefs. At least I hope so, as I intend to play as an elven Inquisitor who sees all elves as equals.

[Maria Caliban]

What makes elfs so special? Why should there be two of them over any other race? Why not peasant human as well as Nobel Human? Why not add in Nobal Dwarf? And why can't you have a Qun following Qunari? The writers could make it work, they just choose not to go down that road, for that way lies madness and the ice-cream mines.

But I want to go to the ice-cream mines!
 

Because that isn't the story that Bioware wants to tell, apparently.

We weren't able to play a qunari previously. We weren't able to play a surface dwarf previously.

I suspect we're a dalish elf because now they can let you be a First, which wasn't an option in Origins. Also, because we go to [REDACTED] and will be meeting [REDACTED], both of which are more meaningful to the Dalish.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 14 septembre 2014 - 10:40 .

[Former_Fiend]

But I want to go to the ice-cream mines!
 

We weren't able to play a qunari previously. We weren't able to play a surface dwarf previously.

I suspect we're a dalish elf because now they can let you be a First, which wasn't an option in Origins. Also, because we go to [REDACTED] and will be meeting [REDACTED], both of which are more meaningful to the Dalish.

 

Well, yea, obviously the original story was human only. But when they got the time to add extra races they had just enough time to give each race one backstory. Human noble. Dwarf carta spy. Vashoth qunari. Dalish elf. 

 

They could have gone with city elf instead of dalish elf but chose against it. Why? Being able to play as a First and thus separate the human mage and elf mage origins was probably a part of it, yes. Another thing to consider is that out of our two elven companions, neither of them is dalish, so perhaps they thought the best way to bring that perspective into the game was to give it to the player. I also, personally, think it's easier to explain how/why the PC has some martial training as a dalish elf than a city elf. 

 

Simple fact is dalish is what they decided. There are a lot of people who want to play dalish and a lot of people who want to play city elf. The latter are just going to have to bite the bullet and hope we get to visit the ice cream mines in the next game.

[Former_Fiend]

But you lose your nobility and all its perks the minute you are inducted into the Circle. You become part of a subclass in society, property of the Chantry and Templars. So no, a human mage is not a noble, even though your family remains noble.

 

Abuses by corrupt templars aside, circle mages are still arguably in the top ten-twenty percent of society. They're given education, (relatively) comfortable living conditions, their meals are provided for them, and they command considerable wealth.

 

Do they have an overabundance of rights and freedoms? No. But for all the hardships they know, they don't have to suffer the basic hardships of living in squaller and struggling to make ends meat to support one's family that defines the peasantry. 

[Patchwork]

A dalish origin can easily cover all three classes. 

[Maria Caliban]

I think Vivienne is there to show us that being a Circle mage can be awesome. She has the type of power and influence even minor nobles lack.

[schall_und_rauch]

Abuses by corrupt templars aside, circle mages are still arguably in the top ten-twenty percent of society. They're given education, (relatively) comfortable living conditions, their meals are provided for them, and they command considerable wealth.

 

Do they have an overabundance of rights and freedoms? No. But for all the hardships they know, they don't have to suffer the basic hardships of living in squaller and struggling to make ends meat to support one's family that defines the peasantry. 

 

That view depends very much on your value priority. The restrictions of romance and sex as well the fact that any mother will basicly "lose" their child is something not too many people enjoy.

 

It'd be an interesting social experiment walking around Fereldon and asking the peasents there: "Do you have a hard time feeding your children?" -- "Yes, winter was rough, and with the civil war, I can hardly provide enough food for all of us." -- "So do you want us to take your child away from you to a place where he is feed, under constant supervision and has to undergo a ritual that might make him into an unfeeling robot?" -- "Wait, what? Nooooo...."

[Magdalena11]

I do like the city elf wardens I've made, and I would like to see them again.  I also think that since there's only one elven background, making it Dalish gives more variety for roleplaying.  You don't have to make your inquisitor Andrastean.  You can honor the Creators, the Ancestors, or the Qun.  Briala's story is fascinating and I really look forward to seeing how it pans out, but playing a Dalish doesn't exclude me from participating.  She's fighting for all elves, and she expresses more belief in the elven pantheon than the one she was born to.  All she says is that if elves are going to win, it's with the city elves as well as the Dalish.  They haven't said you have to reject city elves to play as a Dalish, nor that you have to subscribe to the Dalish view of the world.

[Maria Caliban]

It'd be an interesting social experiment walking around Fereldon and asking the peasents there: "Do you have a hard time feeding your children?" -- "Yes, winter was rough, and with the civil war, I can hardly provide enough food for all of us." -- "So do you want us to take your child away from you to a place where he is feed, under constant supervision and has to undergo a ritual that might make him into an unfeeling robot?" -- "Wait, what? Nooooo...."

You forgot, "...because my child works 10 hours a day in the field with me and without her, I might not be able to support the younger ones. Also, who would take take of me when I grow old?"

If having kids were simply a matter of caring for them, as opposed to needing them to survive, I expect a number of peasants would let the Circle raise them. They're well-fed, disease free, and educated. Why would a peasant care whether their child were under constant supervision? Stick eight people in a two room shack and see how much personal space you get.