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[Ryzaki]

There's a bunch of big wig Orlesians there.

 

I don't see why there wouldn't be servants. If I was a noble and trekking cross county I sure in hell wouldn't be dragging my own crap.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You could equally argue that the Dalish mage is completely different from the Dalish warrior/rogue. If you're a warrior/rogue you're probably a hunter or something, another member of the clan. Contrast that to the Dalish mage who is the First of the clan, trained to eventually take over as Keeper and all the knowledge and responsibility that brings.

Not really. Unlike the Human Inquisitor, who lives with completely different people depending on your class, the Elf Inquisitor spends their whole life with the same clan. So the only thing different is the role you have for the clan. 

[X Equestris]

There's a bunch of big wig Orlesians there.
 
I don't see why there wouldn't be servants. If I was a noble and trekking cross county I sure in hell wouldn't be dragging my own crap.

The biggest question with that is would an Orlesian noble have elven servants with arms training.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The biggest question with that is would an Orlesian noble have elven servants with arms training.

They employ bards all the time. This time they hire you to serve as a bodyguard as well as your usual duties.

[X Equestris]

They employ bards all the time. This time they hire you to serve as a bodyguard as well as your usual duties.

The only problem with that is that bards are more along the lines of a rouge. We haven't yet seen a bard with warrior or mage talents.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The only problem with that is that bards are more along the lines of a rouge. We haven't yet seen a bard with warrior or mage talents.

Not true. In the Leliana's Song DLC, we have a Warrior and Mage as part of our group.

[Ryzaki]

The biggest question with that is would an Orlesian noble have elven servants with arms training.

 

Bodyguard that isn't obviously a bodyguard. Best kind.

[Lumix19]

Not really. Unlike the Human Inquisitor, who lives with completely different people depending on your class, the Elf Inquisitor spends their whole life with the same clan. So the only thing different is the role you have for the clan.

True but that role would drastically change your outlook on life. You're raised from quite young (I think) to be the First, to preserve the lore and eventually lead the clan so your sense of responsibility is much greater. Whereas the Hunter might look at his clan as his/her brothers and sisters the First likely looks at his/her clan as the people they must guide and protect, "children" if you will.

[X Equestris]

Not true. In the Leliana's Song DLC, we have a Warrior and Mage as part of our group.

Tug and Sketch aren't classified as "bards", though. I could see a bard being a good fit, but the background involves a fair amount of shoehorning.

[bazzag]

I think the narrative suits the Dalish better than the City elf.

 

Besides, after the Dalish Origin story in origins that personally i think is awful, it'd be nice to give the Dalish pc a better background

[Sylvius the Mad]

Well you might dislike a voice, but surely you can at least see why others might enjoy it more.

I was referring to my experience. I find that the voiced protagonist benefits my playstyle not at all. There are only downsides.

For instance when Hawke had a conversation with a companion s/he was moving about, interacting more and s/he was more animated. The voice just enhances that overall feel for me.

I'm aware that some people say they prefer that, but the style of play wherein that would be true is completely alien to me.

Having Hawke do all that without speaking would feel hollow. In Origins the Warden standing there staring blankly and motionless just didn't resonate with me as much. So I gladly accept those sacrifices to my own agency in favour of a character who feels more part of the world.

Whereas, I have zero interest in the actions or welfare of the characters I don't control. I didn't feel that I controlled Hawke, so he became just another NPC, and the gameplay became like watching someone else play, rather than playing it myself.

Of course I can completely understand when a person would rather "fill in the blanks" as you say, but I don't play videogames to use my imagination. I've plenty of books and daydreams that allow me to do that.

I don't find that books allow that. I don't have any input at all into a book.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

True but that role would drastically change your outlook on life. You're raised from quite young (I think) to be the First, to preserve the lore and eventually lead the clan so your sense of responsibility is much greater. Whereas the Hunter might look at his clan as his/her brothers and sisters the First likely looks at his/her clan as the people they must guide and protect, "children" if you will.

The only real difference would be how you go about it. After all all Dalish are about the same goals, but go about it different ways.

Besides, hopefully our personalities aren't set in stone like that so something like that isn't an issue. Though with us having to have Vallaslin, I have my doubts. 

 

 

Tug and Sketch aren't classified as "bards", though. I could see a bard being a good fit, but the background involves a fair amount of shoehorning.

The only reason they aren't is because Bard was a specialization in that game, so an example of gameplay-story segregation. In DAI it is not the case. 

 

 

I think the narrative suits the Dalish better than the City elf.

 

Besides, after the Dalish Origin story in origins that personally i think is awful, it'd be nice to give the Dalish pc a better background

How? 

 

And the Dalish Inquisitor and Warden have the same background if Rogues or Warriors, as in they are both hunters. 

[Icy Magebane]

The only real difference would be how you go about it. After all all Dalish are about the same goals, but go about it different ways.

Besides, hopefully our personalities aren't set in stone like that so something like that isn't an issue. Though with us having to have Vallaslin, I have my doubts.

Since the game was originally based solely on a human protagonist, I don't expect the Inquisitor to have very much unique dialogue based on their race.  They'll probably be fairly neutral in their speech, and actions will determine their politics more than words.  My only hope is that I am not forced to call anybody "shemlen."  That would kind of kill my enjoyment, so hopefully it's not integrated into the dialogue if we choose Dalish.

[Lumix19]

The only real difference would be how you go about it. After all all Dalish are about the same goals, but go about it different ways.
Besides, hopefully our personalities aren't set in stone like that so something like that isn't an issue. Though with us having to have Vallaslin, I have my doubts.

I agree with you about Dalish goals. However I suspect much of our personality will be malleable. Just because you decided to go through Vallaslin doesn't mean you can't become disillusioned later in life.

[aTigerslunch]

Actually, comments about race will be in and your background will be mentioned.....I cant remember exact wordings Dev said.  What I said isn't actual quote but almost the same thing said. 

[Icy Magebane]

Actually, comments about race will be in and your background will be mentioned.....I cant remember exact wordings Dev said.  What I said isn't actual quote but almost the same thing said. 

Yes, that reminds me of the background-based war table missions.  Maybe they couldn't think up any good ones involving city elves.

[aTigerslunch]

I don't know it if wasn't the fact they couldn't think of one...that they decided to just not do one.  I know costs do get involved though as well and wanted different settings possibly....no idea.

[MrMrPendragon]

Because we can't that's why.

[Heimdall]

I think the entire reason (Or atleast, a major reason) that Bioware went with Dalish elves when they expanded the race options was because of Briala.

I'm guessing her schemes was meant to be hostile to the Inquisition, initially anyway, for reasons important to the coherence of the plot. As we saw in Masked Empire, Briala is quite disillusioned when it comes to the Dalish. That wouldn't have meshed as well with a city elf. I still think the Dalish reason for being at the summit is a bit thin though.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Since the game was originally based solely on a human protagonist, I don't expect the Inquisitor to have very much unique dialogue based on their race.  They'll probably be fairly neutral in their speech, and actions will determine their politics more than words.  My only hope is that I am not forced to call anybody "shemlen."  That would kind of kill my enjoyment, so hopefully it's not integrated into the dialogue if we choose Dalish.

Apparently our race will have a bigger impact than in Origins, at least for the first parts of the game, with Bioware even saying that there is a mission that will be next to impossible if you are a Qunari, so chances are there will be quite a bit of unique dialogue based around your race. 

 

 

I agree with you about Dalish goals. However I suspect much of our personality will be malleable. Just because you decided to go through Vallaslin doesn't mean you can't become disillusioned later in life.

Hopefully. Still stinks that it is mandatory. 

 

 

I think the entire reason (Or atleast, a major reason) that Bioware went with Dalish elves when they expanded the race options was because of Briala.

I'm guessing her schemes was meant to be hostile to the Inquisition, initially anyway, for reasons important to the coherence of the plot. As we saw in Masked Empire, Briala is quite disillusioned when it comes to the Dalish. That wouldn't have meshed as well with a city elf. I still think the Dalish reason for being at the summit is a bit thin though.

If this is the case, I have a score to settle with Briala. I already do since she is prolonging a civil war and thus the suffering caused by it, but now I have another reason to deal with her. She robbed me of my preferred elven origin. 

[Natarsi]

Given how your character will become the Inquisitor, I'm pretty convinced that a 'city elf' or a 'human peasant' hardly has 'what it takes' to make it convincing that the character is going to be a good leader.

 

With the pre-sets of background stories, I can actually believe that the characters would be nominated as leader. All of them have battle experience and good bunch of them also already in line for a leader-like position.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Given how your character will become the Inquisitor, I'm pretty convinced that a 'city elf' or a 'human peasant' hardly has 'what it takes' to make it convincing that the character is going to be a good leader.

City Elf =/= Has to live in squalor in an Alienage. City Elf is basically the term for any Elf who is not part of the Dalish or the Qun. There are Elven Bards, Assassins, Templars, Mercenaries, etc who all fit under the City Elf banner.

[Felya87]

Given how your character will become the Inquisitor, I'm pretty convinced that a 'city elf' or a 'human peasant' hardly has 'what it takes' to make it convincing that the character is going to be a good leader.

 

With the pre-sets of background stories, I can actually believe that the characters would be nominated as leader. All of them have battle experience and good bunch of them also already in line for a leader-like position.

 

is not as if a Dalish are exactly "good for the job" either. They are liked much less than any human commoner and City Elf. In same cases they are seen as bandits.

 

and really...the Dwarf origin is a member of the Carta!!! one of the most hated criminal organization! what intelligent/onest person would, outside of a videogame, give the chance to guide a powerful organization to someone like this?

 

Really, I think the only reason the Dalish origin was choosen over the CE, was only to have a very different background from the other races. But I still think CE would have made much more sense, and it wasn't surely impossibile to implement, since at least in my eyes, it would have made much more sense to a CE being at the meeting than a Dalish, whose motivations feel quite forced.

[Scerene]

 

[Scerene]

I like how you automatically equated a religious person with being a Christian, as if there weren't other religions in the world.

Ancient history wise, we don't know why Tevinter invaded Arlathan. They may have had a good reason, or they may simply have been conquering. The elves and dwarves coexisted because they had no overlap. One lived on the surface, the other underground. Limited competition for resources.

The Dalish haven't really attempted to settle down anywhere. They wander about, complaining about their lost past and never actually trying to do a thing about it. There are clans that will kill humans who cross their path and have done nothing wrong. They hate city elves. That's why people dislike the Dalish.

The elves of the Dales shirked their treaty obligations in the Second Blight. They isolated themselves from their neighbors. They invaded Orlais and sacked towns and cities along the way. The Exalted March was declared a while after the invasion began. If the Chantry had really wanted to invade the Dales, they could have declared the Exalted March much sooner.

As for letting go of the past, I mean they should stop wallowing in their grief and actually try to do something. For one thing, their hatred of humans only serves to reinforce the human view of the Dalish as savages. If they let go of that, maybe they could make a few friends or advocates amongst humanity, but they don't.

I was just using Christianity as an example, im not religious myself if that's what you are alluding to, and I really like how you completely dodge most of the questions I ask.  Have you read the world of thedas? The elves didn't attack the humans when they could have, even as they were *competing* for resources, its the humans that attacked for the simple reason that they wanted to dominate, as soon as they showed up, but it wasn't until several of their barbarian tribes coalesced into tevinter, that they had the means to do so. 

 

tevinter wanted to invade for obvious reasons, their society is heavily pecking order based just like all medieval human societies have been, with dominance as the prime goal,tevinter is slightly more so than the other nations however.

Orlais wanted the dales of course, and they couldn't stand the idea of the elves living apart from them and not wanting to listen to their proselytizing or dealing with their bs. It kept angering them and this desire to take over was bubbling under the surface long before they started the march on the dales, on top of that humans attacked their settlements aswell. The chantry in orlais has started several exalted marches on tevinter *claiming*  its for the simple reason that the head is a human male mage. Religion and or "protecting itself" is a pretense for orlais to garner more influence and territory, no matter who they are attacking. What reason would they have to waste their time and a huge amount of resources gathering an army, and starting wars several times over, just for the sake of changing tevinters attitude about who should lead the chantry in their *own* country? Ergo, common sense dictates that they start wars for the same reasons that humans irl do, to claim territories for themselves, religion and/or "self-preservation" as an excuse is the oldest trick in the book, and a small band of rag tag elves attacking a human town is even more ridiculous as a reason to invoke a massive war towards the elves, sack the one territory they have and enslave them. Its written between the lines , and seriously the exalted marches are so clearly based upon the christian "holy" wars where they used god as an excuse to take over and dominate what they perceived to be "lesser" people. Its much easier to justify and receive support for a cause when you bring religion into the mix. The chantry/ is overwhelmingly dominant as a religion in thedas, and since orlais heads the chantry, it stands to reason that its the dominant country in the area, which means that they have support from the other countries and don't have to worry about people helping others when they decide its time to start meddling and forcibly converting others countries (aka wanting to take territory). Not that human countries would ever help the elves anyway. Nobody wanting to stand by tevinter is hardly a surprise though considering their reputation with  the whole magister golden city thing, but this could also be something the chantry made up as an excuse to garner even more animosity toward tevinter. Orlais being an imperialistic society that uses any excuse to get their way is hardly news. Remember, not long before the start of DAO did they dominate and refuse to let go of ferelden..

 

I opened up the world of thedas and took a good look at the map, and i cant find any area where the elves should try "rebuilding" because there is no space. Ah and here we have the oldest excuse for oppression in the book "oppressed people need to *prove* to the people brutalizing them that they shouldnt be brutalized and oppressed and any misstep they make is justification for it",  which doesnt work btw, because the human world is still full of it, despite our best efforts. Maybe if humans started treating them with kindness then they wouldnt have any reason to bear animosity. What reason do they have to uphold these lame treatise when nobody gives a **** when they are being attacked? I still remember that attack on the alienage at the end of the game, both as a warden and as darkspawn through the dlc, and there was absolutely no human or any guards helping them in that attack. If Redcliffe was an elven town, how many humans do you think would be saving it? How come no humans take in elven kids as their own, unlike the other way around? ergo elves are kinder to humans than humans are to them, we see several examples of this throughout DAO and even DA2. Im sure if humans apologized and tried to make amends instead of constantly trying to "put them in their place" and brutalizing them, then there could be peace.