So the Keeper risks their clan's future leader's or best hunter's life based on a feeling? I don't know if that's better or worse.
I meant premonition in the sense of visions, which is why I included the word precognition, rather than the sense of dread that can accompany said visions.
I meant premonition in the sense of visions, which is why I included the word precognition, rather than the sense of dread that can accompany said visions.
Do the Dalish even have visions? I know they meditate since that is part of the Vallaslin ritual, but I don't recall visions.
Do the Dalish even have visions? I know they meditate since that is part of the Vallaslin ritual, but I don't recall visions.
I don't know that much about the Daslish or magic, I've never played as an elf or mages.
I'm just trying to give BioWare some credit, since you seem so very much against this whole plot before the game has even launched.
Do we know for a fact that no other keepers are sending spies? Just curious.
I'm just really excited to play the game and see how this all turns out. I think it's too early to be so disappointed in the story intro.
No, but the background on the website implies that the Keeper of this clan is acting independently. I wouldn't say it's out of the question that spies from groups other than the Carta and this particular Dalish clan would be present... if other groups were also randomly sending out people to keep tabs on the situation, I suppose that would make the Dalish storyline more believable.
Also, don't get me wrong. Although I would have preferred city elf, I'm glad to have four options rather than being limited to humans. I'm simply curious about how this background came to be considered superior to a city elf background... we probably won't know the answer until the game is out, but it's an interesting question.
No, but the background on the website implies that the Keeper of this clan is acting independently. I wouldn't say it's out of the question that spies from groups other than the Carta and this particular Dalish clan would be present... if other groups were also randomly sending out people to keep tabs on the situation, I suppose that would make the Dalish storyline more believable.
Also, don't get me wrong. Although I would have preferred city elf, I'm glad to have four options rather than being limited to humans. I'm simply curious about how this background came to be considered superior to a city elf background... we probably won't know the answer until the game is out, but it's an interesting question.
I love the City Elves, if they were a race option I would totally play them. I've never actually played a Dalish.
I don't mean to sound completely fanatic, it's just I think BioWare deserves someone in their corner on this issue. 
Do the Dalish even have visions? I know they meditate since that is part of the Vallaslin ritual, but I don't recall visions.
Flemeth has had some involvement with the elves and she can see into the future apparently... I wouldn't put it past her to orchestrate the Inquisitor's creation in the same way that she created the Warden and Hawke. Either that or the Keeper may have been in contact with a Fade creature who is related to the Elder One. Just throwing some ideas out there... I mean, I'd hate to think it was just this one Keeper being worried that the Templars might want to crack down on Dalish clans for some unknown reason. If the Circle is re-instituted, they will probably have their hands full tracking down human apostates and will continue to ignore the Dalish as they have for centuries. Then again, the Dalish tend to be kind of paranoid, so who knows what conclusions they'd come to.
I don't know that much about the Daslish or magic, I've never played as an elf or mages.
I'm just trying to give BioWare some credit, since you seem so very much against this whole plot before the game has even launched.
I assume you mean the Dalish story specifically when you say 'this whole plot'. If you meant the game's plot, then you are wrong I am not against it at all. There are a few iffy things sure, but that can be said about every game since nothing is perfect. But I see no positives to what they have done with the Elf backstory other than "Well it is an elf". It made the Elf from tied for first as most anticipated race to play to last for me. Especially since from what we've heard so far it even restricts the kind of Dalish elf you can be.
Flemeth has had some involvement with the elves and she can see into the future apparently... I wouldn't put it past her to orchestrate the Inquisitor's creation in the same way that she created the Warden and Hawke. Either that or the Keeper may have been in contact with a Fade creature who is related to the Elder One. Just throwing some ideas out there... I mean, I'd hate to think it was just this one Keeper being worried that the Templars might want to crack down on Dalish clans for some unknown reason. If the Circle is re-instituted, they will probably have their hands full tracking down human apostates and will continue to ignore the Dalish as they have for centuries. Then again, the Dalish tend to be kind of paranoid, so who knows what conclusions they'd come to.
I'm thinking it is more simple paranoia than anything else. Since your clan is in the Free Marches you won't even see them most likely. They'll just be an enigma you fill in later through your 'remembering your backstory' conversations.
I liked the City Elf Origin from DAO but having a Dalish Inquisitor makes sense storywise.
Even if the background is a bit weak, I still feel that Bioware chose the Dalish based on their unique culture and religion... they probably came up with a way for that to play into the main plot, but couldn't come up with something as interesting for city elves. That's my guess anyway...
Even if the background is a bit weak, I still feel that Bioware chose the Dalish based on their unique culture and religion... they probably came up with a way for that to play into the main plot, but couldn't come up with something as interesting for city elves. That's my guess anyway...
If they couldn't come up with an interesting way for a City Elf backstory to tie into the main plot when one of the two nations we go to has an Elven Rebellion going on right now, I wouldn't know what to think.
If they couldn't come up with an interesting way for a City Elf backstory to tie into the main plot when one of the two nations we go to has an Elven Rebellion going on right now, I wouldn't know what to think.
lol... fair point.
edit: Actually, my halfhearted attempts at optimism aside, why do you think they chose Dalish rather than City Elf? There must have been some reason, so what was your theory on that? If you have one, I mean... I admit it's hard to think of a reason besides "that's the story they wanted to tell."
How?
And the Dalish Inquisitor and Warden have the same background if Rogues or Warriors, as in they are both hunters.
I get the feeling that a city elf would be too similar to the background of other inquisitor races.
What i mean by background is story. The Dalish elf origin is (in my opinion) awful, so to have the chance to play as a dalish again with hopefully a better story background will beinteresting
Ever hear of premonition or precognition? The keeper doesn't have to be a part of a sinister plot to have visions of an event occuring and wanting one of her people to be in place when it's supposed to occur.
It depends on what the vision showed the keeper; they don't have to know that it's certain death.
Do the Dalish even have visions? I know they meditate since that is part of the Vallaslin ritual, but I don't recall visions.
Maybe the Keeper was warned by a spirit while in the Fade? Isn't that how Merrill and Marethari knew about the demon on Sundermount; they both heard it call to them while dreaming?
It wouldn't surprise me if this were the case. I'm sure there are some spirits/demons, other than those in The Masked Empire, who have an inkling that something big is about to happen. 
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lol... fair point.
edit: Actually, my halfhearted attempts at optimism aside, why do you think they chose Dalish rather than City Elf? There must have been some reason, so what was your theory on that? If you have one, I mean... I admit it's hard to think of a reason besides "that's the story they wanted to tell."
If I had to choose why beyond "they wanted to", I think they did it because there are no Dalish companions and thus no representation of that faction in the lineup. In Origins you could be a Dalish Warden and if not you at least had Zevran whose mother is Dalish. In DA2 you had Merrill as one of the companions you always recruit. Now in Inquisition it is the same as Origins, with Solas being the Zevran equivalent since he has met and talked with Dalish quite a bit.
I get the feeling that a city elf would be too similar to the background of other inquisitor races.
What i mean by background is story. The Dalish elf origin is (in my opinion) awful, so to have the chance to play as a dalish again with hopefully a better story background will beinteresting
But there is no background similar. Dwarf is part of a criminal group, Human is either a noble or a Circle mage, and Qunari is a mercenary. There is a ton of wiggle room there. As for Dalish being unique, their reason for being there is the eact same as the Dwarf's: to be a spy for their group.
The only difference I see is us not getting inflicted with the Taint, but then we are just inflicted with a different paranormal power instead. 
Maybe the Keeper was warned by a spirit while in the Fade? Isn't that how Merrill and Marethari knew about the demon on Sundermount; they both heard it call to them while dreaming?
It wouldn't surprise me if this were the case. I'm sure there are some spirits/demons, other than those in The Masked Empire, who have an inkling that something big is about to happen.
Dalish don't listen to spirits since they see all spirits as dangerous and don't trust them.
Dalish don't listen to spirits since they see all spirits as dangerous and don't trust them.
Well, except for Merrill.
Being awkward and adorable does not excuse blood magic and demon cavorting. 
If I had to choose why beyond "they wanted to", I think they did it because there are no Dalish companions and thus no representation of that faction in the lineup. In Origins you could be a Dalish Warden and if not you at least had Zevran whose mother is Dalish. In DA2 you had Merrill as one of the companions you always recruit. Now in Inquisition it is the same as Origins, with Solas being the Zevran equivalent since he has met and talked with Dalish quite a bit.
Good point... the Dalish are supposedly involved in the game's plot, but without a representative in the Inquisition, there would be very little reason to work with them. Solas may have had some contact with them, but he's probably more like Zevran... curious in his youth but unimpressed by the reality of Dalish life. I'd imagine that if he fully supported them, he would have joined a clan rather than live as a hermit. And since the Dalish have a fairly negative view of city elves, the average city elf Inquisitor would probably lose patience with them pretty quickly.
Well, except for Merrill.
Being awkward and adorable does not excuse blood magic and demon cavorting.
To be fair, she had all the precautions taken care of. It was Keeper "Don't listen to the spirit" Marathari that listened to it and let it possess her. 
Good point... the Dalish are supposedly involved in the game's plot, but without a representative in the Inquisition, there would be very little reason to work with them. Solas may have had some contact with them, but he's probably more like Zevran... curious in his youth but unimpressed by the reality of Dalish life. I'd imagine that if he fully supported them, he would have joined a clan rather than live as a hermit. And since the Dalish have a fairly negative view of city elves, the average city elf Inquisitor would probably lose patience with them pretty quickly.
If I recall correctly, the reason Solas doesn't join the Dalish is because of their conflicting views of the Fade. As I said, they see the Fade as a dangerous place while he sees it pretty much as the opposite.
If they couldn't come up with an interesting way for a City Elf backstory to tie into the main plot when one of the two nations we go to has an Elven Rebellion going on right now, I wouldn't know what to think.
Maybe the reason why they didn't go City Elf was because of the whole rebellion thing. I feel like it would be harder to create a city elf origin that has a relatively similar background with out the mage one being to similar to the human mage (taking to the chantry when young). also they wouldn't be able to do two backgrounds for the elves (CE and Dalish) most likely because of time and money.
To be fair, she had all the precautions taken care of. It was Keeper "Don't listen to the spirit" Marathari that listened to it and let it possess her.
Marethari let it possess her because she didn't want Merrill to be at risk of possession. motherly instincts.
Human is either a noble or a Circle mage,
And Circle mage. Do not group me with the baser born.
Maybe the reason why they didn't go City Elf was because of the whole rebellion thing. I feel like it would be harder to create a city elf origin that has a relatively similar background with out the mage one being to similar to the human mage (taking to the chantry when young). also they wouldn't be able to do two backgrounds for the elves (CE and Dalish) most likely because of time and money.
The Elf Mage could always have been an apostate. After all that is what the Dalish Mage is. The person who hires, or maybe to separate from the Qunari background and be more dark owns you, has you as a secret mage like they would have the Rogue/Warrior be a secret soldier.
Marethari let it possess her because she didn't want Merrill to be at risk of possession. motherly instincts.
Oh, I don't blame her for it at all. Just find it ironic.
And Circle mage. Do not group me with the baser born.
You have all titles stripped from you when you are sent to the Circle, so while you are of noble blood you are not a noble.
The Elf Mage could always have been an apostate. After all that is what the Dalish Mage is. The person who hires, or maybe to separate from the Qunari background and be more dark owns you, has you as a secret mage like they would have the Rogue/Warrior be a secret soldier.
the problem with that is that outside of bodyguard I don't see how that would work and given the state of most elves in thedas I would guess that a slave elf would not be treated very well or very educated. I could see a secret elven mage slave being a hedge mage but not a fully trained mage.
the problem with that is that outside of bodyguard I don't see how that would work and given the state of most elves in thedas I would guess that a slave elf would not be treated very well or very educated. I could see a secret elven mage slave being a hedge mage but not a fully trained mage.
Yes, because Fiona clearly wasn't capable because of her being a slave.
Maybe the reason why they didn't go City Elf was because of the whole rebellion thing. I feel like it would be harder to create a city elf origin that has a relatively similar background with out the mage one being to similar to the human mage (taking to the chantry when young). also they wouldn't be able to do two backgrounds for the elves (CE and Dalish) most likely because of time and money.
It's been a while since I read the book but how much of a rebellion is there? Briala seemed to be planning an espionage eventual guerilla shadow war rather than out right rebellion.
the problem with that is that outside of bodyguard I don't see how that would work and given the state of most elves in thedas I would guess that a slave elf would not be treated very well or very educated. I could see a secret elven mage slave being a hedge mage but not a fully trained mage.
Nobles have access to trained apostates if they want their services. Didn't Gaspard have an elven apostate helping him in The Masked Empire? She wasn't a slave and she knew actual spellcasting rather than hedge magic.
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