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[Iakus]

It's much less her than it is the organization that usurped her name to more easily conquer Thedas.

First, it's the Tevinters who conquered Thedas, and Andraste fought the Tevinters and helped free the elves back when it was simply the Cult of the Maker.

 

Second, if you think the Chantry usurped her name and acts in ways contrary to her teachings, well, here's your chance to usurp the name right back and follow your own interpretation.

 

Assuming your character actually believes the Glowing Hand of Salvation is in fact a gift from Andraste.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Xilizhra:  I'm not solely speaking to you though.  "You're" isn't just you - or even you specifically.  Could be any number of people that are going to trust spirits.

 

For my Mage Inquisitor - meeting "whatever" in the Fade is always suspect.  

[Xilizhra]

First, it's the Tevinters who conquered Thedas, and Andraste fought the Tevinters and helped free the elves back when it was simply the Cult of the Maker.

 

Second, if you think the Chantry usurped her name and acts in ways contrary to her teachings, well, here's your chance to usurp the name right back and follow your own interpretation.

 

Assuming your character actually believes the Glowing Hand of Salvation is in fact a gift from Andraste.

I don't really care one way or another about what Andraste's teachings are in reality, but I do care about how they're followed by the people of Thedas.

 

I personally very much doubt that Andraste gifted me with the glowing hand; if she did, she clearly doesn't care as much about following the Maker as is commonly portrayed, as I have no desire whatsoever to obey the Maker in anything, and have no plans to run the Inquisition as an Andrastian body. In fact, it's apparently possible to redecorate Skyhold in a Dalish style, and I fully intend to do so.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I don't really care one way or another about what Andraste's teachings are in reality, but I do care about how they're followed by the people of Thedas.

 

I personally very much doubt that Andraste gifted me with the glowing hand; if she did, she clearly doesn't care as much about following the Maker as is commonly portrayed, as I have no desire whatsoever to obey the Maker in anything, and have no plans to run the Inquisition as an Andrastian body. In fact, it's apparently possible to redecorate Skyhold in a Dalish style, and I fully intend to do so.

Andraste's primary trait as can be gleaned from the stories is compassion for others, specifically for the downtrodden. And considering what the demons are probably going to do in Thedas, I think it's entirely in character for her to grant this power in that context. Even if you desire to play a Dalish elf loyal to the Dalish ways, that wouldn't stop her; she was to a large degree responsible for the creation of the Dales. That said, I hope she doesn't personally grant us the power. I like what Dragon Age has done so far, where religion is a matter of faith rather than fact.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Xilizhra:  "IF" Andraste is a Fade entity of incredible power - do you think it really cares about your opinion?

It gave you the power so you would complete a goal - it knows you will shut up and do what you're told because not doing so means your death at the hands of demons.  It can fix your anti-Andrastean sentiment later - if it even wants to.  You're just a mortal - and your impact on history may be far reaching, but finite. 

[Xilizhra]

@Xilizhra:  "IF" Andraste is a Fade entity of incredible power - do you think it really cares about your opinion?

It gave you the power so you would complete a goal - it knows you will shut up and do what you're told because not doing so means your death at the hands of demons.  It can fix your anti-Andrastean sentiment later - if it even wants to.  You're just a mortal - and your impact on history may be far reaching, but finite. 

Given the whole thing about the Maker never being confirmed, I find this unlikely.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Xilizhra:  What does the Maker have to do with anything?

Andraste could be a Fade entity without anything to do with the Maker.

 

We do know that the Ancient Elves went bodily into the Fade... so Andraste doing the same isn't implausible.  

[Xilizhra]

@Xilizhra:  What does the Maker have to do with anything?

Andraste could be a Fade entity without anything to do with the Maker.

 

We do know that the Ancient Elves went bodily into the Fade... so Andraste doing the same isn't implausible.  

If so, it seems reasonably clear that Andraste is unable to act directly in Thedas, or she'd do it herself. How would you propose that it would "fix" anti-Andrastian sentiment?

[Medhia_Nox]

@Xilizhra:  Easy - give devout followers in the future powers to carry forth in her name totally undoing any hatemongering your Inquisitor would do in the future. 

[The Elder King]

As far as i recall, there were tweets hinting we can be called in different way, or something like that.
I won't have much problem is that's not the case. It'll be hilarious if we meet humans/Orlesians who don't like elves and they call my dalish Herald of Andraste .

[Uccio]

My Tevinter Magister wants to be the Herald of The Old Gods.

[Pierce Miller]

I'll do it solely to gain more power for the Inquisition if I can.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

My Tevinter Magister wants to be the Herald of The Old Gods.

I'm pretty sure Tevinter Magisters are Andrastian. (Or they pretend to be, since they're still doing all the things that specifically disgusted her.) Also I'm pretty sure there is no option to be from Tevinter.

[Iakus]

I don't really care one way or another about what Andraste's teachings are in reality, but I do care about how they're followed by the people of Thedas.

 

And this is potentially your chance to change how they are followed by the people of Thedas.  If you choose to take this opportunity

 

 

I personally very much doubt that Andraste gifted me with the glowing hand; if she did, she clearly doesn't care as much about following the Maker as is commonly portrayed, as I have no desire whatsoever to obey the Maker in anything, and have no plans to run the Inquisition as an Andrastian body. In fact, it's apparently possible to redecorate Skyhold in a Dalish style, and I fully intend to do so.

Fair enough. 

 

But even if you don't believe the Maker or Andraste had anything to do with it, others presumably do believe it.  And even if you choose to go full Dalish, do you think it might be possible to take advantage of this "Herald of Andraste" moniker to help mend the rift between two peoples?

 

Hmm, mend rift, seal breach.  Symbolism, maybe? 

[Iakus]

For myself, I'm hoping it doesn't get revealed.  I'm hoping for Maybe Magic, Maybe Mundane

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

For myself, I'm hoping it doesn't get revealed.  I'm hoping for Maybe Magic, Maybe Mundane

Or more "Maybe Divine, Maybe Arcane?" Because I don't think "Mundane" really describes the Inquisitor's powers.

[Iakus]

Or more "Maybe Divine, Maybe Arcane?" Because I don't think "Mundane" really describes the Inquisitor's powers.

What's mundane in Thedas is a bit more...flexible...than what's in RL

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

What's mundane in Thedas is a bit more...flexible...than what's in RL

That's for sure. Rich people might even buy a penknife that has lyrium in it, according to the Codex. (What does that even do that is worth the price such an item would command?)

[Xilizhra]

@Xilizhra:  Easy - give devout followers in the future powers to carry forth in her name totally undoing any hatemongering your Inquisitor would do in the future. 

What hatemongering? I was never going to hatemonger.

 

 

Fair enough. 

 

But even if you don't believe the Maker or Andraste had anything to do with it, others presumably do believe it.  And even if you choose to go full Dalish, do you think it might be possible to take advantage of this "Herald of Andraste" moniker to help mend the rift between two peoples?

 

Hmm, mend rift, seal breach.  Symbolism, maybe? 

I will if possible... but they'd best be in a conciliatory mood, because the Dalish have nothing left to concede.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Xilizhra:  Not actually saying you were... as I have no idea what you're going to do with your playthrough. 

 

But "if" whatever gives you your power has interest in keeping the Maker faith - and Andraste - relevant.  Any attempts you may, or may not, attempt toward undermining those concepts would be easily fixable after your use was finished and you died a nice, natural death and the entity lived on long pat your years.

[Keroko]

Lulz, humans didn't use her name to conquer Thedas. The Chantry didn't conquer Thedas. And none of this has to do with Andraste.

Yyyes, yes they did. Drakon, the first emperor of Orlais, called is wars of conquest holy wars to justify them. Granted, by this time there was no Chantry yet, but he utilized the existing cult of the Maker or his goals all the same, finally formalizing it as the Chantry later during his rule.

The Chantry was forged in blood and war. From Andraste to their formalization under Drakos. Exalted Marches are exactly that: Holy wars in Andraste and the Maker's name.

[lane]

if i don't free the mages and destroy the ruling hand of the chantry on everything i shall be the herald of nothing if not of the mage freedom. I'll give the tittle to Varric if he want , Am gonna be the Herald of every mages that suffering for thousand years now.  

[Dragons74]

I'm pumped to be the "Herald of Andraste" and be a Holy General sort of character. It's a great option to have in the game and It will appeal to a lot of people I think. Of course the option to go in a total opposite direction will probably be in there as well. Having these choices that appeal to everyone makes Bioware games great! Can't wait for November.

[LobselVith8]

It's much less her than it is the organization that usurped her name to more easily conquer Thedas.

 

With the departure of the Circle mages and the defection of most of the Seekers and templars, the Chantry's hold in the Andrastian kingdoms might diminish significantly, especially if the Inquisition acquires either faction as their militant arm and the Inquisitor steps in and seize the monopoly on lyrium trade for the surface.

[Gervaise]

I'm pretty sure it was confirmed somewhere that you don't have to accept the religious spin put on you if you don't want to.  For me it would entirely depend on how much control I had over the way I was viewed.    If I can state that Andraste chose me to put right all the injustices that have been done in her name at the same time as saving the world, then I'll happily embrace the title.   First run I'll be playing as an elf and a mage, so double whammy there.  

 

I've always maintained that the main thrust of the Chant of Light is a condemnation of abuse of power and a model for a fair and just society.   It is the Chantry and the rulers of Thedas who have misused it to justify their actions, whether mage or non mage.   If I'm allowed to point this out to them as Andraste's Herald and take some positive action to remedy those injustices then it will be a title worth having.    If I'm simply obliged to become a Chantry stooge, then I'll opt for something else.