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[Reaverwind]

My Tevinter Magister wants to be the Herald of The Old Gods.

 

My rogue wants to be the Herald of the Almighty Gold Coin.    

[Br3admax]

Yyyes, yes they did. Drakon, the first emperor of Orlais, called is wars of conquest holy wars to justify them. 

They didn't need the Chantry to do it. The point. 

 

 

Granted, by this time there was no Chantry yet, but he utilized the existing cult of the Maker or his goals all the same, finally formalizing it as the Chantry later during his rule.

Thus making your post pointless. He used that justify his claims either way, he didn't need the Maker or his religion to become emperor. 

 

 

The Chantry was forged in blood and war. From Andraste to their formalization under Drakos. Exalted Marches are exactly that: Holy wars in Andraste and the Maker's name.

Exalted Marches aren't about conquering Thedas. Humans did that millennia ago. Back when the Maker was some backwater deity in Tevinter.  

[AstraDrakkar]

I will. I always get into my roleplay.

[ev76]

My human warrior and Mage will. My elf Mage not so much.

[Keroko]

They didn't need the Chantry to do it. The point. 

Thus making your post pointless. He used that justify his claims either way, he didn't need the Maker or his religion to become emperor.

He used the Maker and Andraste to gain support for his war and shush any opposition to it. That's how you use religion war.

Exalted Marches aren't about conquering Thedas. Humans did that millennia ago. Back when the Maker was some backwater deity in Tevinter.

And again when the elves were uppity, which ended up obliterating almost every shred of elven culture and forcefully convert the majority of the survivors to the Maker.

And again when the Tevinter turned on a conquering king and claimed his lands.

And again when the Tevinter decided to give their own spin on the Chantry and named their own divine, though that didn't go so well. Four Exalted Marches, and all failed just short of their goal.

And finally against the qunari. While, yes, this was also a counter against invasion, at the root it was also a religious war of the Chantry versus the Qun.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

I will embrace it. 

The best way to destroy the chantry is from within. And what better way to end up there than declaring yourself the herald of Andraste and save the world. Everyone would trust me. I would have complete power. 

Then I would start hiring assassins to kill opposition within the chantry and start with ritualistic sacrifices of children and worse until the chantry represents a perversion of everything it once stood for. From that point I will start burning and destroying the most sacred relics and scriptures in chantry history, so that in a hundred years noone would even remember the chantry's existence. 

It will be a glorious golden era after that, free of superstition. Sometimes only evil can destroy evil, fight fire with fire and all that. I would also probably need to enter the fade and destroy Andrastes spirit if it turns out shes actually the real deal. But that would have to be the last thing on the list.

[Dusksworn]

I will embrace it. 

The best way to destroy the chantry is from within. And what better way to end up there than declaring yourself the herald of Andraste and save the world. Everyone would trust me. I would have complete power. 

Then I would start hiring assassins to kill opposition within the chantry and start with ritualistic sacrifices of children and worse until the chantry represents a perversion of everything it once stood for. From that point I will start burning and destroying the most sacred relics and scriptures in chantry history, so that in a hundred years noone would even remember the chantry's existence. 

It will be a glorious golden era after that, free of superstition. Sometimes only evil can destroy evil, fight fire with fire and all that. I would also probably need to enter the fade and destroy Andrastes spirit if it turns out shes actually the real deal. But that would have to be the last thing on the list.

That's the stupidest idea I've ever heard.

 

Seriously.

[Sanguinerin]

I'm hoping to create a very manipulative character, who is incredibly politically-involved. If supporting the Herald title proves to be a successful political maneuver or warrants some extra influence among the nobles or rulers, then by all means, call my Inquisitor the Herald!

[dekarserverbot]

Mr Cadash sure will be a good herald, about the others... i don't want to see how good "heralds of andraste" are them:

 

Anders.... (yes THAT ANDERS)

Super Dalish elf ultra paganic human murderer

Spy Dalish mage girl who emulates abe (yes THAT ABE)

Shayle Cadash (I couldn't resist, cadash last name was BEGGING for her)

Anders little sister

Qunari exhibisionist woman that weilds a 2h sword.

 

sincerely andraste should be rolling in her urn after seeing this list

[Harlot]

I'm just hoping that acknowledging one's responsibility for stopping this conflict won't automatically mean that the Inquisitor has to present or see himself as the Maker's or Andraster's champion or a messiah.

[Senya]

He used the Maker and Andraste to gain support for his war and shush any opposition to it. That's how you use religion war.And again when the elves were uppity, which ended up obliterating almost every shred of elven culture and forcefully convert the majority of the survivors to the Maker.And again when the Tevinter turned on a conquering king and claimed his lands.And again when the Tevinter decided to give their own spin on the Chantry and named their own divine, though that didn't go so well. Four Exalted Marches, and all failed just short of their goal.And finally against the qunari. While, yes, this was also a counter against invasion, at the root it was also a religious war of the Chantry versus the Qun.

Yes, how dare the Orlesians get medieval on an invading nation in a medieval fantasy setting.

[Willowhugger]

"The only thing more likely during a war than a side claiming God is on their side is for them to claim they'll win because of it."
-Old Saying

 

So nothing new there.

My Inquisitor will struggle with his decisions because as Herald Of Andraste he CAN'T make the pragmatic decisions he might normally.

 

He has to set an example.

Maker help the world.

[Ailith Tycane]

My Inquisitor will become a televangelist and make millions of dollars.

 

I honestly don't know enough about the title "herald of Andraste" to know what to think about it. Was it actually Andraste who gave you this power? Was it just a fade spirit and it was Chantry followers who gave you that title afterwards? Is the Maker actually real? These are all questions I'd need answered before I can make my mind up about how my character will actually react in game, but if I can use the title to garner more support, why not? It's kind of like a nickname, you don't get a lot of choice in the matter, even if you play your character as extremely anti chantry there are going to still be people who identify you by that title and will either love or hate you immediately, so might as well roll with it, right? 

[Milan92]

Bioware had said they will never reveal wether the maker is real or not.

[Keroko]

Yes, how dare the Orlesians get medieval on an invading nation in a medieval fantasy setting.

The qunari wars were the only ones where they were actually the invaded party unquestionably. The circumstances that sparked the dalish march are questionable at best, but highly hint at the Chantry fuelling the conflict. The four marches against Tevinter (post-Andraste, of course) were purely because Tevinter had their own opinion on what the Chant of Light meant and decided to do things their way.

[Willowhugger]

The qunari wars were the only ones where they were actually the invaded party unquestionably. The circumstances that sparked the dalish march are questionable at best, but highly hint at the Chantry fuelling the conflict. The four marches against Tevinter (post-Andraste, of course) were purely because Tevinter had their own opinion on what the Chant of Light meant and decided to do things their way.

Blaming the Chantry for actions which benefit Orlais is kind of an ouroboros. Orlais controls the Chantry and the Chantry has a huge influence on Orlais.

[Keroko]

Blaming the Chantry for actions which benefit Orlais is kind of an ouroboros. Orlais controls the Chantry and the Chantry has a huge influence on Orlais.

I hear this excuse all the time, "it's not the Chantry who fights the wars so the Chantry is blameless!" but you can't claim the Chantry's innocence when they do nothing to condemn these acts but rather encourage them.

[Helios969]

Yes, how dare the Orlesians get medieval on an invading nation in a medieval fantasy setting.

Lol. Let's debate the merits of bringing democracy to Thedas...I'm sure all the monarchs would sign off on that.

[Dusksworn]

Blaming the Chantry for actions which benefit Orlais is kind of an ouroboros. Orlais controls the Chantry and the Chantry has a huge influence on Orlais.

Well, one thing I know I want to do is get the Chantry the hell out of that backstabbing nation of corrupt politicians and schemers.

 

Seriously. You can hardly run an honest Chantry in a country that makes corruption into a game.

[Tevinter Soldier]

I will embrace my role as Andraste's herald and use it to correct Glaring error in the chantry.

 

Such as the failure to acknowledge that only mabari hounds are allowed to made a devine.  

[GreyVsGray]

My TV Inquisitor will totally embrace the title when the situation calls for it.

When it doesn't? I'll be chilling with my homies in my Dalish Skyhold because I love Dalish imagery

[Sifr]

I hear this excuse all the time, "it's not the Chantry who fights the wars so the Chantry is blameless!" but you can't claim the Chantry's innocence when they do nothing to condemn these acts but rather encourage them.

 

Exactly, Kirkwall is a prime example of the Chantry playing politics, as we've seen the Templars play Kingmaker twice in the last fifteen years alone.

 

When Viscount Perrin Threnhold blocked Orlesian ships from entering Kirkwall unless they payed an exorbitant fee (which as ruler of a sovereign power should have been well within his rights to do), Orlais threatened to invade the city-state. As a personal friend of the Emperor, the Divine pressured the city's Templars to intercede, despite the matter having nothing to do with the Chantry whatsoever. In response, Threnhold decided to expel the order from Kirkwall (which again, should have been well within his rights), leading the Templars to instead overthrow him and install Dumar as their puppet-king.

 

When Dumar was killed by the Arishok, the Templars then refused to allow the nobles to elect a new ruler, as they had to approve of the choice first, despite this again being a matter that should have had absolutely nothing to do with the Chantry or their forces.

 

While some might argue this was the Templars overstepping their bounds, the Chantry could have ordered them to stop, but at no point did that order ever come and instead they allowed them to run roughshod over the place.

[SgtSteel91]

My Inquisitor will accept the title in the context of the Warrior Queen Andraste. The leader who lead armies against injustice and corruption. Not so much the Bride of the Maker part. She fights for the people, not for the Maker.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

My Inquisitor will accept the title in the context of the Warrior Queen Andraste. The leader who lead armies against injustice and corruption. Not so much the Bride of the Maker part. She fights for the people, not for the Maker.

Then you have that much in common with her. Andraste's own actions emphasize compassion for the mortals more than they do love for the Maker.

[Xilizhra]

Then you have that much in common with her. Andraste's own actions emphasize compassion for the mortals more than they do love for the Maker.

If true, the Gauntlet spirits are all wrong, since they claim that she was totally enraptured with the Maker and starved large portions of the Imperium to death.