Um... since he fell, he can't have actually been in orbit. "Orbit" means that you're not falling, right?
Probably referring to getting spaced at the start of ME2. Here Shepard plummeted from, well, definitely outside Alchera's atmosphere and managed to land on the planet's surface without needing a squeegee to retrieve
Um... since he fell, he can't have actually been in orbit. "Orbit" means that you're not falling, right?
I'm speaking in my third language here, give me a break.
For example, I don't trust his assertions about the nature of inevitability when it comes to organic extinction
I agree. Note that the Destroy epilogue doesn't back up the Catalyst's prediction. (It would have been hilarious to see the fanrage if Destroy led to a cutscene of a robot Stargazer talking about how Shepard bravely let evolution take its course and permitted synthetics to rule the universe.)
ME4 is yet to come Alan 
Probably referring to getting spaced at the start of ME2. Here Shepard plummeted from, well, definitely outside Alchera's atmosphere and managed to land on the planet's surface without needing a squeegee to retrieve
Where on earth do you get the assumption it still has enough power left to maintain life support?
You know there's nothing there, right? He's standing in a mass effect bubble.
Gravity. To have a station of that mass to orbit Earth at that distance you'll need artificial means. In case of ME universe it means mass effect field to lower the weight of the station.
You were holding that back, waiting for me to make an ass out of myself weren't you?
...j/k... I'd forgotten that dialogue.
Haha, I actually had to go to YouTube for that. I did remember some things getting unlocked but didn't remember if it was related to operating the Normandy. You were right for telling me to show proof
I'm speaking in my third language here, give me a break.
Gravity. To have a station of that mass to orbit Earth at that distance you'll need artificial means. In case of ME universe it means mass effect field to lower the weight of the station.
I don't see why the mass of the station per se is a problem. If it was in orbit it'd be in free fall anyway, its mass isn't anything like big enough to complicate things with its own gravity, and I think it's too rigid for the Roche limit to apply. However, it's shown way too close to Earth to be in a geostationary orbit, so something's got to be going on. Either it's somehow suspended as you say, or Bio just botched the cutscenes. Or both?
It weighs 7.11 billion metric tons according to the codex. ISS is about that close to Earth and it weighs 450,000 Kg. Something is going on there 
Eh miranda says at the start of me2 in one of her video logs that shep suffers only from exposure and injuries from the explosion.
No re-entry.
Vaccum exposure and extremely cold temperatures.
Already that does bad things to human cells. Add in uncontrolled freefall, a methane atmophere, oxygen starvation...
The breath scene was there to confirm that instead of a mercifully quick death by explosion, Shepard gets to live through minutes, perhaps hours of broken bones, torn flesh, ruptured organs and coughing up blood before death finally grants him freedom from the agony. Everyone agrees with that, don't they? This isn't a source of disagreement among the fans or anything?
I don't see why the mass of the station per se is a problem. If it was in orbit it'd be in free fall anyway, its mass isn't anything like big enough to complicate things with its own gravity, and I think it's too rigid for the Roche limit to apply. However, it's shown way too close to Earth to be in a geostationary orbit, so something's got to be going on. Either it's somehow suspended as you say, or Bio just botched the cutscenes. Or both?
The latter, cause at the moment the Crucible fires it's not nearly as close to earth as it is in the slideshow.
This can be ignored
The breath scene was there to confirm that instead of a mercifully quick death by explosion, Shepard gets to live through minutes, perhaps hours of broken bones, torn flesh, ruptured organs and coughing up blood before death finally grants him freedom from the agony. Everyone agrees with that, don't they? This isn't a source of disagreement among the fans or anything?
Kinda explains the apparant irregular breathing and the reluctance to show the likely charred ruin that is Shep's face
Also, don't forget the potential lethal doses of cosmic radiation and massive temperature fluctuations, since mass effect fields can't shield that. 
The latter, cause at the moment the Crucible fires it's not nearly as close to earth as it is in the slideshow.
I think it's pretty close
It weighs 7.11 billion metric tons according to the codex. ISS is about that close to Earth and it weighs 450,000 Kg. Something is going on there
Sure, the Citadel masses more than the ISS. That doesn't matter. When you do the math for orbital velocity the mass of the satellite is cancelled out, since it shows up on both the centripetal force side of the equation and the gravity side.
You can see the math here.
Good thing too. Imagine what a PITA docking in space would be if objects of different mass couldn't orbit next to each other at the same velocity.
It weighs 7.11 billion metric tons according to the codex. ISS is about that close to Earth and it weighs 450,000 Kg. Something is going on there
Uh - the mass of a satellite doesn't actually affect where it can orbit, since the mass cancels out on both sides of the equation. The Citadel could easily be orbiting without any problems.
This does raise the question of how it's staying directly above London - except, given that the Crucible wave comes from behind Big Ben (rather than above), the Citadel clearly isn't directly over London.
So I'd say it's in orbit, somewhere, and that the London beam doesn't actually require the Citadel to be directly overhead.
That's nowhere near as close as in the slideshow.
It can touch the skyscrapers in the slideshow
It's a matter of perspective
Sure, the Citadel masses more than the ISS. That doesn't matter. When you do the math for orbital velocity the mass of the satellite is cancelled out, since it shows up on both the centripetal force side of the equation and the gravity side.
You can see the math here.
Good thing too. Imagine what a PITA docking in space would be if objects of different mass couldn't orbit next to each other at the same velocity.
The math does not include atmosphere friction and mechanical frictions within the station. ISS has to compensate for them artificially and so has the Citadel.
Uh - the mass of a satellite doesn't actually affect where it can orbit, since the mass cancels out on both sides of the equation. The Citadel could easily be orbiting without any problems.
This does raise the question of how it's staying directly above London - except, given that the Crucible wave comes from behind Big Ben (rather than above), the Citadel clearly isn't directly over London.
So I'd say it's in orbit, somewhere, and that the London beam doesn't actually require the Citadel to be directly overhead.
We don't know where the beam is in London. There are no landmarks I recognize around where it is (not a London resident so can be mistaken). I'd say it's quite possible for the Citadel to be directly above London and maintain position artificially until Crucible fires. After that the station is switched to an emergency mode and only uses power to keep itself on orbit.
It's a matter of perspective
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Drag, sure. Not sure what you mean by "mechanical frictions within the station." Anyway, what does that have to do with the mass of the Citadel?The math does not include atmosphere friction and mechanical frictions within the station. ISS has to compensate for them artificially and so has the Citadel.
Keeping itself in orbit isn't the issue. If it's stationary over London at that altitude it doesn't have anything like orbital velocity. Emergency mode would have to establish the orbit first.We don't know where the beam is in London. There are no landmarks I recognize around where it is (not a London resident so can be mistaken). I'd say it's quite possible for the Citadel to be directly above London and maintain position artificially until Crucible fires. After that the station is switched to an emergency mode and only uses power to keep itself on orbit.
Drag, sure. Not sure what you mean by "mechanical frictions within the station." Anyway, what does that have to do with the mass of the Citadel?
Reducing the station's mass with a mass effect field would make the drag problem worse, not better. Actually, it might be a wash since when the air molecules enter the field they'd lose mass too, but mass effect physics are so wacky it's hard to say.
Keeping itself in orbit isn't the issue. If it's stationary over London at that altitude it doesn't have anything like orbital velocity. Emergency mode would have to establish the orbit first.
Mechanical frictions of various mechanisms within the station (like the ones we see on the way to the TIM confrontation) create vibrations which make it harder to keep the station in orbit.
I mentioned the mass, because such a large station creates its own gravitational pull and there is a lot of debris floating around the station after the battle. Keeping the station in orbit might require quite some power. I'm not sure how mass effect technology works but theoretically, shouldn't lowering the station's mass allow it to avoid collision with at least large pieces?
I was more referring to keeping itself in one position in relation to London. It might require some additional acceleration/deceleration, not sure.
Comparing humans to the AI is not going to work here. AIs are created and their creators limit their actions by putting shackles on them. If you can create a human and put limits on his mind that do not allow him to perform certain actions I would not view him as sentient.
This self thinking entity you mention can't even think of the actions blocked by the shackles.
This is interesting. So if Miranda had put a control chip in Shepard's brain it would have prevented him/her from performing certain actions. Essentially it would have been a shackle. So Shepard would not have been sentient.
This is interesting. So if Miranda had put a control chip in Shepard's brain it would have prevented him/her from performing certain actions. Essentially it would have been a shackle. So Shepard would not have been sentient.
And that should solve the argument.
Prepare for a discussion about the impossibility of a control chip though
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