This is interesting. So if Miranda had put a control chip in Shepard's brain it would have prevented him/her from performing certain actions. Essentially it would have been a shackle. So Shepard would not have been sentient.
With only a small extension, you can say that anyone who's indoctrinated is no longer sentient either.
Instead of a new ending dlc, lets have a control chip dlc.
If you distrust the catalyst why would you believe it to pick destroy?
Only the choices from the original ending are true canon. Refusal was not among them. It was "End task" or "Return to dashboard."
Only the choices from the original ending are true canon. Refusal was not among them. It was "End task" or "Return to dashboard."
Apparantly you could refuse by doing nothing.
This is interesting. So if Miranda had put a control chip in Shepard's brain it would have prevented him/her from performing certain actions. Essentially it would have been a shackle. So Shepard would not have been sentient.
Yeah, pretty much. Free will is one of the defining features of sentient life. Are Reaper husks sentient? Or Cerberus Troopers? Shepard would've become something like them.
I think if you didn't do anything for over five minutes it gave you critical mission failure.
This is interesting. So if Miranda had put a control chip in Shepard's brain it would have prevented him/her from performing certain actions. Essentially it would have been a shackle. So Shepard would not have been sentient.
No they don't.Mechanical frictions of various mechanisms within the station (like the ones we see on the way to the TIM confrontation) create vibrations which make it harder to keep the station in orbit.
I mentioned the mass, because such a large station creates its own gravitational pull and there is a lot of debris floating around the station after the battle. Keeping the station in orbit might require quite some power. I'm not sure how mass effect technology works but theoretically, shouldn't lowering the station's mass allow it to avoid collision with at least large pieces?
I was more referring to keeping itself in one position in relation to London. It might require some additional acceleration/deceleration, not sure.
Shep crash lands at parliament square. The beam is roughly at Victoria train station 1.5km away (this opens up a whole can of worms for priority earth but that's another topic).We don't know where the beam is in London. There are no landmarks I recognize around where it is (not a London resident so can be mistaken). I'd say it's quite possible for the Citadel to be directly above London and maintain position artificially until Crucible fires. After that the station is switched to an emergency mode and only uses power to keep itself on orbit.
Not necessarily. Sentience is defined by having an unstructured consciousness. This all depends on whether or not Shepard is still capable of feeling and experiencing the world around him/her to the same capacity. If a person were conditioned in such a way that he or she may do certain things in response to specific stimuli, would that person cease to be a sentient being?
Not necessarily. Sentience is defined by having an unstructured consciousness. This all depends on whether or not Shepard is still capable of feeling and experiencing the world around him/her to the same capacity. If a person were conditioned in such a way that he or she may do certain things in response to specific stimuli, would that person cease to be a sentient being?
Sentient/sapient discussion aside, this question is a very slippery slope. Or well, not really, it's crash from 10 miles up in the sky all the way down to the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
We are all conditioned in certain ways to do certain things. If you question this, look at adopted foreign kids. They, in all of their actions except those that are completely dependant on genetic makeup (of which I wouldn't know a single example...), act nothing like their genetic counterparts from their country of origin, but rather like the natives of the country they were adopted into. People from their country of origin would (and will) be confused when seeing them in the country of origin, cause they look native but don't act so.
Almost all of your behaviour is conditioning, no matter how special anyone thinks he/she is. (I would even argue that constantly acting different than others is also conditioning, but lets not get too far into this 
)
The answer to your question can only be no. Anyone who answers it with yes is completely clueless.
There is friction in space, even without gravity.No they don't.
The mass of the station is only significant if it's big enough to have an effect on the Earth, and that won't really affect the station anyway. The debris is neither here nor there either.
The only way something can be in orbit stationary relative to anywhere on the Earth is if it's in geostationary orbit, which it isn't. If you're doing something that requires power, like hovering over London, then you're not in orbit any more than a helicopter is in orbit.
I'm saying that the Citadel holds itself in one position over the Earth until the beam is active. When it's not, the station starts orbiting the Earth.
If the Citadel were holding itself in one place above Earth, and was not above the equator, then when it stopped 'holding' itself in place, it would fall to Earth. Not start orbiting.
To start orbiting, especially at London's latitude, it would need a severe kick of momentum. Especially given the mass of the Citadel. It's not going to get that when it just exploded.
The only way for it to make sense that the Citadel didn't crash into Earth post-Crucible-Event is if it was orbiting all along. Which means it wasn't directly above London. The only reason that you have to assume that it was directly above London is because the beam appears to be pointed upwards, but we have no idea how that beam works.
If the Citadel were holding itself in one place above Earth, and was not above the equator, then when it stopped 'holding' itself in place, it would fall to Earth. Not start orbiting.
To start orbiting, especially at London's latitude, it would need a severe kick of momentum. Especially given the mass of the Citadel. It's not going to get that when it just exploded.
The only way for it to make sense that the Citadel didn't crash into Earth post-Crucible-Event is if it was orbiting all along. Which means it wasn't directly above London. The only reason that you have to assume that it was directly above London is because the beam appears to be pointed upwards, but we have no idea how that beam works.
True, that's why I think that the station's automated systems still work after the explosion. To provide that kick of momentum. With mass effect technology, the strength of the kick will not be as severe, because the mass of the station can be artificially lowered.
The beam works in a straight line, thus there must be a clear line of sight from the Citadel. Unless it changes direction in the atmosphere which is not possible IMO. Although, you are right, we have no idea how the beam works. A lot of things are left for interpretation
There's an alternative here.
The Citadel may not be in a stationary orbit over London. It may, however, be in a very slow orbit around Earth such that it remains lined up with the beam for a reasonable amount of time. That just means that the assault on London had to be done at a specific time - which doesn't actually contradict anything in-game.
I've just run some trig with a screenshot from space during Priority Earth (just after Hackett receives word that Shepard made it to the Citadel). You can see the UK in the background, you can also see the Citadel, and knowing what size they are compared to what size they appear on screen allows you to calculate how far away they are.
If you trust my math (I do 
), and if you're willing to put that much faith in a cutscene (eh... 
) the Citadel comes out at an orbital height of tens of thousands of km. Even in an ordinary orbit, it would remain over the UK for a matter or hours that way. Which solves both problems - it won't fall to Earth, but it will remain lined up with the beam for a reasonable amount of time.
There's one remaining problem though - as I mentioned before, the Crucible shockwave is travelling along to the ground in the ending cutscenes, which are set in London. For that to happen, the Citadel can't be above the UK anymore, otherwise the shockwave would have come down from above, rather than from the horizon. In other words, the Citadel must have moved quite a distance between when Shepard uses the beam, and when Shepard activates the Crucible. It has to have reached somewhere that is 'on the horizon' relative to London.
You know, I could probably use that information to make a more accurate guess at the Citadel's orbital velocity... but somehow I doubt it'll line up with the height I figured out earlier, because, well, I seriously doubt the Bioware cinematic designers put this much thought into it.
The thing that gets me about the breath scene is how people automatically assume that it means that Shepard lives.
After all a corpse can take a 'breath'.
Even if Shepard were still alive in that scene they would have suffered massive injuries. Not only surviving a near miss from a Reaper weapon which seriously messed them up, but the concussive force alone from shooting the tube would have caused major injury, not to mention the amount of shrapnel being thrown about by the explosion.
The possibility of Shepard being alive in the destroy ending is there from the breath scene, but it makes it by no means a certainty.
I sometimes think we put too much thought in this 
Better to just play and enjoy (or not ) the game.
@voteDC - It's not only the scene, it's also the squadmate refusing to put Shepard's name on the wall. But I get what you're saying. I think it's cool that we can speculate on that, leaves room for both outcomes 
I disagree. The only reason they didn't make it obvious that she lives in the destroy ending is because it would pretty much make the other options never chosen.
Especially if it had a scene of li reunification.
Even if Destroy had a scene of my Shepard reuniting with his crew, marrying Ashley, and settling down for the future in a peaceful recovering galaxy...
...I would still pick Control. I owe Legion that much.
Then again, maybe I'm just strange 
Even if Destroy had a scene of my Shepard reuniting with his crew, marrying Ashley, and settling down for the future in a peaceful recovering galaxy...
...I would still pick Control. I owe Legion that much.
Then again, maybe I'm just strange
I'd pick it just for the fact the killing the Reapers is foolish. Why destroy what you can control? TIM is a tool, but he's right on this.
Whatever. Femshep survives and is in Vancouver having drinks with Samantha
Whatever. Femshep survives and is in Vancouver having drinks with Samantha
Lots of speculation for everyone!
And yes, that is lame. But they succeeded so well. It's been more than 2 years. We're still talking about it.
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