I'd pick it just for the fact the killing the Reapers is foolish. Why destroy what you can control? TIM is a tool, but he's right on this.
I don't understand how you can think Shepard can control them. Both of the other people who have ever integrated with the Reapers voluntarily have succumbed to them. Though I have to wonder what would happen if Shepard used one of the many corpses lining the floor to in his stead for synthesis and control
I don't understand how you can think Shepard can control them. Both of the other people who have ever integrated with the Reapers voluntarily have succumbed to them. Though I have to wonder what would happen if Shepard used one of the many corpses lining the floor to in his stead for synthesis and control
I've pointed this out before, for synthesis anyway. There is no reason that it has to be Shepard's DNA, and they never explain why you need a whole body anyway. Control is different though, you can't use a dead person because it needs a mind. But I still don't see why you can't just give commands to the Reapers through an external interface.
I don't understand how you can think Shepard can control them. Both of the other people who have ever integrated with the Reapers voluntarily have succumbed to them. Though I have to wonder what would happen if Shepard used one of the many corpses lining the floor to in his stead for synthesis and control
Because the game tells you so.
I've pointed this out before, for synthesis anyway. There is no reason that it has to be Shepard's DNA, and they never explain why you need a whole body anyway. Control is different though, you can't use a dead person because it needs a mind. But I still don't see why you can't just give commands to the Reapers through an external interface.
Because the game tells you so.
Again: A beam of energy killing only Synthetics. A beam of energy all across the galaxy for you to replace the Catalyst. A beam of energy that changes DNA.
Don't discuss them like real life problems.
The Synthesis line refers to requiring Shepard's "organic energy, the essence of who and what you are"; it's not about requiring Shepard's DNA. DNA is only mentioned when the Catalyst is reaching for a metaphor.
Seriously, people, if you're going to try and think this stuff through -- not such a great idea IMO -- at least remember the conversation right.
I don't understand how you can think Shepard can control them. Both of the other people who have ever integrated with the Reapers voluntarily have succumbed to them. Though I have to wonder what would happen if Shepard used one of the many corpses lining the floor to in his stead for synthesis and control
I know Control works the same way I know Destroy works. Or I don't know that anything works and I'm taking the whole thing on faith, whichever you prefer.
The Synthesis line refers to requiring Shepard's "organic energy, the essence of who and what you are"; it's not about requiring Shepard's DNA. DNA is only mentioned when the Catalyst is reaching for a metaphor.
Seriously, people, if you're going to try and think this stuff through -- not such a great idea IMO -- at least remember the conversation right.
So what is to preclude using a corpse? they are still organic essense, so should be just a good a stand-in. Now maybe it's because he is both organic and synthetic , but the same could be said of the keepers, so, just direct one of those things down the hole instead.
To be fair, I haven't played the ending since March 2012, so I'm not going to remember the exact wording verbatim.
Because the game tells you so.
Again: A beam of energy killing only Synthetics. A beam of energy all across the galaxy for you to replace the Catalyst. A beam of energy that changes DNA.
Don't discuss them like real life problems.
Still doesn't explain why it has to be Shepard's DNA or essence or whatever, at least for synthesis. It's just a contrivance so that the writers can sacrifice Shepard to make the ending feel more dramatic.
Still doesn't explain why it has to be Shepard's DNA or essence or whatever, at least for synthesis. It's just a contrivance so that the writers can sacrifice Shepard to make the ending feel more dramatic.
Very true.
But really, the entire synthesis option is utter moronic nonsense. A beam of energy that passes through all life in the galaxy, analyses it while passing through, designs a way to make that life synthetic, creates out of nothing the resources necessary to transform that life and then transforms that life on a cellular level without making any mistakes, all within a fraction of a second. It's ridiculous.
There is absolutely no explanation as to what physical effects it uses to accomplish this wonder. Certainly not any we know of in the ME universe. In fact, using the same kind of technology it would be trivial to make a device that creates a mystical wave of green energy that passes through a planet, turns all members of a certain species (e.g. humans) into goo, creates out of nothing a storage box within which that goo is placed and a communication device for these storage boxes which signals their location. Would've certainly made the reaper's job a lot easier. One wonders why they didn't create such a device.
It's a punch in the face for anyone who gives a **** about ME being sci-fi.
So what is to preclude using a corpse? they are still organic essense, so should be just a good a stand-in.
To be fair, I haven't played the ending since March 2012, so I'm not going to remember the exact wording verbatim.
It's a punch in the face for anyone who gives a **** about ME being sci-fi.
The Synthesis line refers to requiring Shepard's "organic energy, the essence of who and what you are"; it's not about requiring Shepard's DNA. DNA is only mentioned when the Catalyst is reaching for a metaphor.
Seriously, people, if you're going to try and think this stuff through -- not such a great idea IMO -- at least remember the conversation right.
And what is the "essence of who and what you are?"
What is "organic energy for that matter?
If Bioware is going to hammer us with a "bittersweet" sacrificial ending, they need to get all their ducks in a row. And not handwave everything with poorly-explained space magic.
You can get away with this stuff with triumphant action-movie endings. People don't examine stuff that makes them happy too much. but if your going for "deep and artistic" it darn better hold up to scrutiny.
The Synthesis line refers to requiring Shepard's "organic energy, the essence of who and what you are"; it's not about requiring Shepard's DNA. DNA is only mentioned when the Catalyst is reaching for a metaphor.
Seriously, people, if you're going to try and think this stuff through -- not such a great idea IMO -- at least remember the conversation right.
Funny, when I look at the terms "DNA" and "organic energy", "organic energy" is what sounds like the metaphor.
Funny, when I look at the terms "DNA" and "organic energy", "organic energy" is what sounds like the metaphor.
I don't see what the difference is throwing Anderson's body into the beam vs Shepard jumping into the beam.
Anyone who actually thought that wasn't really paying attention during the previous games.
Well, it was never scientifically accurate and even its invented scientific concepts like the Mass Effect never really made any sense, but its technology behaved largely like real technology in its character, which is enough for sci-fi (certainly in video games) as far as I am concerned.
I don't care if the authors of sci-fi universes understand science and technology in detail, I only care of they understand them in their character. And in that regard, most of ME was actually pretty good. Until the ending, that is.
I don't see what the difference is throwing Anderson's body into the beam vs Shepard jumping into the beam.
TIM and Anderson. Just to be sure. We need the synthetic parts too
TIM and Anderson. Just to be sure. We need the synthetic parts too
I wouldn't be surprised that would cause the crucible to overload
@ iakus: Sure. Didn't I just say that trying to think this stuff through wasn't a great idea? (Yep, there it is.)
Also, my sig.
And I just explained why it's worse for this particular ending.
There's a huge difference between being bludgeoned with a hammer in a Three Stooges sketch and a Stephen King novel
I don't see what the difference is throwing Anderson's body into the beam vs Shepard jumping into the beam.
One is artistic. The other is not 
@voteDC - It's not only the scene, it's also the squadmate refusing to put Shepard's name on the wall. But I get what you're saying. I think it's cool that we can speculate on that, leaves room for both outcomes
Again though that scene can be interpreted a different way than a confirmation of Shepard's survival.
Is it really a surprise that someone would refuse to believe that Commander Shepard could survive anything.
That scene can easily be taken as simple wishful thinking on the part of the squad-mate.
Again though that scene can be interpreted a different way than a confirmation of Shepard's survival.
Is it really a surprise that someone would refuse to believe that Commander Shepard could survive anything.
That scene can easily be taken as simple wishful thinking on the part of the squad-mate.
Not a surprise, I'm fine with people thinking that Shepard died. He is not in my head-canon but that's my personal view of the universe 
Shepard got resurrected once, after all 
Again though that scene can be interpreted a different way than a confirmation of Shepard's survival.
Is it really a surprise that someone would refuse to believe that Commander Shepard could survive anything.
That scene can easily be taken as simple wishful thinking on the part of the squad-mate.
Gotta love how the only ending where Shepard "survives" requires speculation and interpretation.
While Shepard being a charcaol briquette in every other outcome is blatantly spelled out.
Why would a corpse still have "organic essence" or "energy"? I suppose one could define those concepts in such a way that a corpse would have them, but it seems like an odd thing to expect.
Why not? Bio fuels have quite a bit of organic energy and they're formed from stuff that died eons ago.
Why would a corpse still have "organic essence" or "energy"? I suppose one could define those concepts in such a way that a corpse would have them, but it seems like an odd thing to expect.
Why wouldn't it? The composition of a corpse and a living being such a short time after death will be absolutely identical. This isn't a fantasy universe where living beings have some kind of mystical 'life energy'.
One is artistic. The other is not
blablabla... (hate against "artistic" again and again and again and.... instead of trying to understand) 
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