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[voteDC]

Not a surprise, I'm fine with people thinking that Shepard died. He is not in my head-canon but that's my personal view of the universe

Shepard got resurrected once, after all 

That's exactly my point though, it requires head-canon for Shepard to be definitely alive in the breath ending.

Shepard did get brought back once before. But that was in a galaxy with billions of credits available, as well as resources being able to be brought in by a functioning relay network.

That's why I have to agree with Iakus, why is the only ending where Shepard has the possibility of survival left so vague and open to interpretation? 

[Vazgen]

That's exactly my point though, it requires head-canon for Shepard to be definitely alive in the breath ending.

Shepard did get brought back once before. But that was in a galaxy with billions of credits available, as well as resources being able to be brought in by a functioning relay network.

That's why I have to agree with Iakus, why is the only ending where Shepard has the possibility of survival left so vague and open to interpretation? 

Because not many would've picked other endings otherwise. Plus, seeing Shepard's extensive injuries is not a way to win audience. Put a slide of Shepard with bandages and LI nursing him/her and you shift the balance in the endings

[voteDC]

Why would it stop people picking the other endings if Shepard was confirmed alive instead if it being left to speculation?

I have the MEHEM installed and yet I sometimes uninstall it so I can play with the Synthesis and Control endings.

People who don't wish to mod, or have consoles and so don't have the option, would still pick other endings because it spares EDI and the geth.

We just see it different ways I suppose. I don't think a Shepard alive ending would have hurt the other choices at all, they'd still be equally valid ways of ending Shepard's journey.

[Vazgen]

Why would it stop people picking the other endings if Shepard was confirmed alive instead if it being left to speculation?

I have the MEHEM installed and yet I sometimes uninstall it so I can play with the Synthesis and Control endings.

People who don't wish to mod, or have consoles and so don't have the option, would still pick other endings because it spares EDI and the geth.

We just see it different ways I suppose. I don't think a Shepard alive ending would have hurt the other choices at all, they'd still be equally valid ways of ending Shepard's journey.

I guess so. Personally I always choose Destroy option. Don't really care about the geth. Losing EDI is somewhat sad but sacrifices are needed to ensure that the Reaper threat ends. For someone who sacrificed 300,000 civilians to merely slow Reapers down it is an acceptable trade-off.  

[Iakus]

blablabla... (hate against "artistic"  again and again and again and.... instead of trying to understand) 

Ah, but I do understand.

 

You can't hate what you don't understand, after all.

 

It's Bioware who's convinced we don't "get it" 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The thing that gets me about the breath scene is how people automatically assume that it means that Shepard lives.

After all a corpse can take a 'breath'.

 

Even if Shepard were still alive in that scene they would have suffered massive injuries. Not only surviving a near miss from a Reaper weapon which seriously messed them up, but the concussive force alone from shooting the tube would have caused major injury, not to mention the amount of shrapnel being thrown about by the explosion.

The possibility of Shepard being alive in the destroy ending is there from the breath scene, but it makes it by no means a certainty.

 

The file on the game disk says "Shepardalive.bik" I think that is pretty conclusive evidence that the writers intended Shepard to have survived. Deal with it.

 

[Iakus]

Yep.  SHhepard alive...and bleeding out alone, with horrible burns...

[Han Shot First]

Yep.  SHhepard alive...and bleeding out alone, with horrible burns...

 

Shepard surviving the finale of ME3 requires much less suspension of disbelief than the Lazarus Project.

[themikefest]

In February I did a trilogy run with Miranda as my romance. I picked destroy with high ems, but it wasn't Miranda holding the nameplate, it was Samantha. I have nothing against Samantha.  I would rather of had Miranda hold the nameplate, And if I ever was to romance Jack, I would want her to hold the nameplate instead of another character, whether I like that character or not.

[KaiserShep]

Well really, the whole memorial scene was badly timed anyway. It should have taken place after the dust settled and everyone was back together again, maybe on earth, or some space station or something, just not on the ship while it's being repaired on the surface of Nowheria. If they had done the former, then any character/LI could have been the one to do the memorial. Of course, in the former, it would've made more sense that a surviving Shepard was there with them to simply put Anderson's name on the wall (though this would tick off the anti-Anderson crowd, but it's still better than the way it is now.)

[TheMyron]

You people should read Nightfable's Post-War Jackolyte "comic book" story.

 

It gives a perfect reason for Shepard surviving, and also gives a much more elaborate memorial scene for all the ME3 characters that perished, not just Anderson.

 

http://nightfable.de...676/Chapter-One

[Iakus]

Shepard surviving the finale of ME3 requires much less suspension of disbelief than the Lazarus Project.

 

 

Hardly a ringing endorsement.

[angol fear]

Ah, but I do understand.

 

You can't hate what you don't understand, after all.

 

It's Bioware who's convinced we don't "get it" 

Well I totally disagree with what you said. Actually, people can hate what they don't understand, it's the main reason why people hate. I'm not only talking about Mass Effect : for everything in life, you'll notice that misunderstanding leads to hate.

I like the word in english : understand. under-stand. A lower level that imply humility. In all the languages I know, it's the same idea in that word. 

Take a look at the forum. Where is the humility? People think they can fix a story that doesn't need to be fixed. People think they can say things because they went to university but they actually don't have real knowledge (they sound to be serious for anyone who doesn't really know, but for anyone who works in writing/reading, the "serious one" on the forum are just jokes). They think they know better than the writers what Mass Effect is about. All of these attitude are just pretentious.

So no, these people didn't understand, Bioware is right and they aren't the only one who think that.

I've published things on Mass Effect, the analysis I've made are far more serious than anything on the forum, and they went further than anything I've read on the forum. But in the end, I think there still a lot for me to understand.

[Farangbaa]

Still doesn't explain why it has to be Shepard's DNA or essence or whatever, at least for synthesis.  It's just a contrivance so that the writers can sacrifice Shepard to make the ending feel more dramatic.

 

Because the game tells you so.

 

Want some ingame headcanon? Shepard's already transhuman. Shepard's already been shaping the galaxy in ways no one man should.

 

But honestly, you're looking for an explanation for DNA changing beams of energy, beams of energy that control and highly discriminative beams of energy that kill only sapient machines? Good luck!

[voteDC]

The file on the game disk says "Shepardalive.bik" I think that is pretty conclusive evidence that the writers intended Shepard to have survived. Deal with it.

 

 

Fair point in the file name, yet nothing in game has that same level of confirmation. Scenes in game still give either possibility, people shouldn't have to go poking around in the game files to find things out.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Well I totally disagree with what you said. Actually, people can hate what they don't understand, it's the main reason why people hate. I'm not only talking about Mass Effect : for everything in life, you'll notice that misunderstanding leads to hate.

I like the word in english : understand. under-stand. A lower level that imply humility. In all the languages I know, it's the same idea in that word. 

Take a look at the forum. Where is the humility? People think they can fix a story that doesn't need to be fixed. People think they can say things because they went to university but they actually don't have real knowledge (they sound to be serious for anyone who doesn't really know, but for anyone who works in writing/reading, the "serious one" on the forum are just jokes). They think they know better than the writers what Mass Effect is about. All of these attitude are just pretentious.

So no, these people didn't understand, Bioware is right and they aren't the only one who think that.

I've published things on Mass Effect, the analysis I've made are far more serious than anything on the forum, and they went further than anything I've read on the forum. But in the end, I think there still a lot for me to understand.

 

Where is the humility?

 

Not in this post, apparently.

[Coyotebay]

Because the game tells you so.

 

Want some ingame headcanon? Shepard's already transhuman. Shepard's already been shaping the galaxy in ways no one man should.

 

But honestly, you're looking for an explanation for DNA changing beams of energy, beams of energy that control and highly discriminative beams of energy that kill only sapient machines? Good luck!

Please...we all know it's space magic, but you need a level of plausibility to suspend disbelief.  If all science fiction adhered to known laws of physics, then we couldn't even have stories like this because no one could ever travel faster than the speed of light and we would never get out of our own solar system in the next thousand years.  But you still want things to be plausible within the rules that the make-believe universe sets for itself.  Otherwise you might as well have Samantha the witch show up and cast a magic spell.

[themikefest]

  Otherwise you might as well have Samantha the witch show up and cast a magic spell.

I enjoyed watching that show, Bewitched.

[SporkFu]

Please...we all know it's space magic, but you need a level of plausibility to suspend disbelief.  If all science fiction adhered to known laws of physics, then we couldn't even have stories like this because no one could ever travel faster than the speed of light and we would never get out of our own solar system in the next thousand years.  But you still want things to be plausible within the rules that the make-believe universe sets for itself.  Otherwise you might as well have Samantha the witch show up and cast a magic spell.

Well... there was that one time she did save the Normandy with her +5 Wand of Teeth-Cleaning. 

[Reorte]

Because not many would've picked other endings otherwise. Plus, seeing Shepard's extensive injuries is not a way to win audience. Put a slide of Shepard with bandages and LI nursing him/her and you shift the balance in the endings

Then that's a problem with other endings failing to make their case on their own merits (and it's a metagaming position anyway).

[Reorte]

Actually, people can hate what they don't understand, it's the main reason why people hate.

Actually it isn't. People are mostly baffled or indifferent to what they don't understand. To hate something you have to be close enough to it which is impossible without understanding.

[JasonShepard]

Actually it isn't. People are mostly baffled or indifferent to what they don't understand. To hate something you have to be close enough to it which is impossible without understanding.

 

Well... You can hate what you *think* you understand. Which I think happens a bit too frequently (in general - not specific to Mass Effect). Though I think we're splitting hairs at this point.

[KaiserShep]

Where is the humility?

 

Not in this post, apparently.

 

[Coyotebay]

Well... there was that one time she did save the Normandy with her +5 Wand of Teeth-Cleaning. 

That was actually awesome!