Vigil, I think.
Correct - which technically makes it even more in-universe speculation, since there's no real way that Vigil could have been monitoring those events.
However, considering what Legion says about uploaded minds within Reapers, and since husks seem pretty mindless, I'm not sure they would be much use for the sake of creating Reapers.
According to Patrick Weekes the reapers don't normally take any capital-size Reaper losses at all. Our cycle is special (well, at least the turians and the asari)
We had Space Jesus inspiring everyone.
And yes it was Vigil (aka Drew Karpyshyn).
Ah, OK, I see 
In any way, I think the whole information is stored on Citadel, not in every individual Reaper. The DNA harvest takes place to construct a Reaper, then the information is processed and added to the central database where the AI analyzes it to see if new solution is possible.
Could it also be the fact that not every time the Reapers (Nazarra) comes to check on progress, that there isn't enough progress to make a full scale invasion? There could be multiple cycles in which no one reached the citadel, or just one or two civs. In that case, Nazarra alone would have been enough to wipe them out.
According to Patrick Weekes the reapers don't normally take any capital-size Reaper losses at all. Our cycle is special (well, at least the turians and the asari)
That's the weird part because the Asari and the Turians didn't do anything particularly special. The Asari used guerrilla tactics to pretty great effect and the battle over Palaven was the result of a plan hatched together in 15 minutes. It seems like any race could have executed these plans and focus fire down at least one ship.
Living side by side with EDI and geth both extensively reliant on Reaper technology, while destroying the Reapers themselves?
Reaper tech is irrelevant "The Crucible will not discriminate. All synthetic life will be targeted"
According to Patrick Weekes the reapers don't normally take any capital-size Reaper losses at all. Our cycle is special (well, at least the turians and the asari)
There really should have been a better plot-related reason for this, because, as said already, there's nothing really special about this cycle other than the fact that the Protheans, TIM and Shepard bought it a lot of time.
And just so it happens that all synthetic life is Reaper tech-based.Reaper tech is irrelevant "The Crucible will not discriminate. All synthetic life will be targeted"
And just so it happens that all synthetic life is Reaper tech-based.
There are other (shackled) AIs out there. As well as the Virtual Aliens, and who knows what in unexplored space.
The geth are not based on reaper tech, code or no. This is the thing that bugs me the most. What the frak is "reaper code" anyway? Is it a material thing, like everyone is hooked up into the grid on Tron now? Does the code actually have some effect on the physical device it's stored in?n While the whole reaper code thing is a fan-made theory based on the coincidence, it makes no motherflippin' sense that the Crucible would be targeting the software alone. That's like a wave of energy that only targets Linux computers. What is this madness? Pass me the ryncol, man.
Any proof of that? Any shackled AIs we can see in the game?There are other (shackled) AIs out there. As well as the Virtual Aliens, and who knows what in unexplored space.
Any proof of that? Any shackled AIs we can see in the game?
From the codex entry on synthetics:
Galactic culture mistrusts synthetic life. While physically immobile, an AI can assert its will by taking control of networked computing systems. AI laboratories are physically isolated from the galactic extranet and placed in remote, uninhabited locales.
AI laboratories. There are other AIs out there.
As of 2183, four corporations were licensed by the Citadel to develop artificial intelligence for research purposes. Synthetic Insights, for example, does this. Artificial Intelligence is far too accessible, despite its legality, for it not to exist beyond EDI and the geth. There's just no way that there wouldn't be. They're nonexistent in the narrative, but they are out there.
The biggest difference this cycle had over the others is the use of the relays and the Citadel. Had the reapers taken control of the relay's, this cycle would've failed like previous cycles.
That's the weird part because the Asari and the Turians didn't do anything particularly special. The Asari used guerrilla tactics to pretty great effect and the battle over Palaven was the result of a plan hatched together in 15 minutes. It seems like any race could have executed these plans and focus fire down at least one ship.
The only thing I could come up with is that maybe it is tied in to the Reapers seizing control of the Citadel in previous cycles and putting the relay network on its 'Reaper only' setting. Maybe that isolated individual fleets and the Reapers just picked them off one by one with overwhelming numbers, whereas in Shepard's cycle fleets are still free to make tactical withdraws into, counterattack, or reinforce other sectors only accessible by the relay network. Maybe the Asari and Turians had more success because they were able to bring more force to bear.
Though of course that then raises the question of why the Reapers didn't head for the Citadel before Earth, Palaven, or Thessia.
I don't buy the argument that synthetics would be vastly superior organics because of their superior "brain power". We use computers today to handle complex data processing, and would still do so in the future. Today's computers can process things much aster and more accurately than a human brain, but does that make them smarter? No. Processing power is not the same as intelligence. An AI would have this advantage over us as well, but we would cancel that out with the help of our own computers, and there is no evidence that an AI brain could match a human's in other areas that make us unique. The ability to "think outside the box". Starbrat was a great example of this, the billion year old "superior AI" that couldn't see the pointlessness of its "solution".
I'm using Mass Effect AI as the standard.
And, I think Starbrat had a point, even if it's not what I would have done.
by Catalyst logic, the answer would be to detroy any species that achieves interstellar travel to prevent such "conflict" from ever arising.
Except in my analogy the krogan are the AI. They were uplifted by the salarians. And ended up turning on the Council and nearl wiped them out.
And potentially themselves too, as they nuked themselves back to the Stone Age at least once on Tuchanka.
I was asking for your solution on those hypothetical issues.
I, for one, think that action would need to be taken in those two scenarios. That's to say, letting "whatever happens happens" is not acceptable. Next off, assuming they've shown not to be able listen to reason and they do plan to wipe out every other species, I would not rule out annihilating some very large percentage of their population nor biologically altering them to some end that diminishes their threat level like the genophage. Personally, I think I prefer the turian solution (bomb) to the salarian one (genophage), but I'm not sure.
Catalyst logic doesn't apply since preserving life is not a requirement here (yes, the Catalyst arguably does preserve life).
Kinda reminds me of a matrix quote (ironic, given ME3's supposed inspiration from it)
I've seen an agent punch through a concrete wall; men have emptied entire clips at them and hit nothing but air; yet, their strength, and their speed, are still based in a world that is built on rules. Because of that, they will never be as strong, or as fast, as *you* can be.
Strength, speed, intelligence, don't just come from a vacuum (well, unless Plot demands it) Synthetics still need resources, fuel, their machines still need to be built, their programs need to be stored somewhere. They are still bound by laws of physics. Synthetics, even Reapers, are not invincible. Not unless Plot demands they be. Heck look at the geth superstructure. Smashed to pieces by the quarians. Geth platforms, even with three centuries to evolve, fall to small arms fire.
I'm not saying synthetics are invincible, or that no organics exist that are in some way superior to an AI. However, (in the Mass Effect universe) they are capable of things beyond the realm of organic life, and the opposite is not true.
Organics have to manually enter things into a computer/machine to get the desired effect. EDI can disable firewalls on a ship and vent it to space before its crew even catches on. You saw what an unstoppable force that rogue VI in Overlord was, and it required Shepard entering cyberspace -- something no ordinary organic can do -- to stop it. They can turn the machines we depend on for many jobs against us, and then we do not have many alternatives to what we've lost. We stopped the Reapers largely because they were not allowed to be the threat they were protecting against, not entirely. They couldn't just steamroll everything because they needed to preserve the sapient species, but they certainly had the ability to wipe the galaxy clean of life and sit on top of it. And organics have shown willing to fight their AI even when they cannot win, twice with the geth, and many civilizations against the Reapers. It just takes one organic to instigate the conflict, and make lots of people (maybe even all of them) really sorry.
I suppose it doesn't matter, though. Our cycle invented some sort of doomsday-device that can kill them all, so we are plenty equipped to save ourselves if that threat manifests again. I mean, defeat is still possible, but there's some sound reason to believe we've advanced far enough to conquer it and will do so (probably want to refine the prototype, though). Even the Catalyst has to admit it by that point ("... my solution will not work anymore.")
Reaper code allows geth to use functions and variables from Reaper database. Their code is rewritten to include those upgrades. Destroying the Reaper database causes their rewritten code to malfunction and they are rendered non-functional. The energy wave serves another purpose - it destroys nanites that are the source of Reaper ground troops causing the husks and alike creatures to disintegrate.The geth are not based on reaper tech, code or no. This is the thing that bugs me the most. What the frak is "reaper code" anyway? Is it a material thing, like everyone is hooked up into the grid on Tron now? Does the code actually have some effect on the physical device it's stored in?n While the whole reaper code thing is a fan-made theory based on the coincidence, it makes no motherflippin' sense that the Crucible would be targeting the software alone. That's like a wave of energy that only targets Linux computers. What is this madness? Pass me the ryncol, man.
The point I make is that there is no indication of the beam affecting anything other than Reaper tech-reliant subjects except Catalyst's words. To trust them completely or not is a choice the player makes. Also, he says "synthetic life". Is there any "synthetic life" out there except EDI, geth and the Reapers themselves? For the record, I don't consider shackled AI sentient.As of 2183, four corporations were licensed by the Citadel to develop artificial intelligence for research purposes. Synthetic Insights, for example, does this. Artificial Intelligence is far too accessible, despite its legality, for it not to exist beyond EDI and the geth. There's just no way that there wouldn't be. They're nonexistent in the narrative, but they are out there.
The point I make is that there is no indication of the beam affecting anything other than Reaper tech-reliant subjects except Catalyst's words. To trust them completely or not is a choice the player makes. Also, he says "synthetic life". Is there any "synthetic life" out there except EDI, geth and the Reapers themselves? For the record, I don't consider shackled AI sentient.
No indication beyond what the Catalyst explicitly tells us?
Reaper code allows geth to use functions and variables from Reaper database. Their code is rewritten to include those upgrades. Destroying the Reaper database causes their rewritten code to malfunction and they are rendered non-functional. The energy wave serves another purpose - it destroys nanites that are the source of Reaper ground troops causing the husks and alike creatures to disintegrate.
See, this is why it doesn't really help to try to apply any kind of logic to the whole Crucible functions, because it's all Space Codswallop. I mean, this is still just software. For all intents and purposes, the geth are unchanged physically. Any changes to their code should have no discernible effect on the physical platform, save for maybe their processors working a bit harder or something. My laptop is unchanged whether or not it's running Windows or Mac OS. So what is this, a kill code sent over FTL comms? Is it Slim Whitman's Indian Love Call playing on every extranet site, sending their brains into overload? 7 zetabytes of krogan hardcore images?
The point I make is that there is no indication of the beam affecting anything other than Reaper tech-reliant subjects except Catalyst's words. To trust them completely or not is a choice the player makes. Also, he says "synthetic life". Is there any "synthetic life" out there except EDI, geth and the Reapers themselves? For the record, I don't consider shackled AI sentient.
It's a matter of fact that AI's are sentient in the MEU, regardless of whether or not they're shackled. EDI was sentient before Joker released her.
YesNo indication beyond what the Catalyst explicitly tells us?
Geth are software. Tali explicitely says it.See, this is why it doesn't really help to try to apply any kind of logic to the whole Crucible functions, because it's all Space Codswallop. I mean, this is still just software. For all intents and purposes, the geth are unchanged physically. Any changes to their code should have no discernible effect on the physical platform, save for maybe their processors working a bit harder or something. My laptop is unchanged whether or not it's running Windows or Mac OS. So what is this, a kill code sent over FTL comms? Is it Slim Whitman's Indian Love Call playing on every extranet site, sending their brains into overload? 7 zetabytes of krogan hardcore images?
It's a matter of fact that AI's are sentient in the MEU, regardless of whether or not they're shackled. EDI was sentient before Joker released her.
I never said the geth weren't software, only that software being affected by the beam at all based on the specifics of the code is total bantha poodoo. It takes arcane shenanigans of the highest order to develop a weapon that will only wipe out Microsoft Bob from the face of the earth.
I never said the geth weren't software, only that software being affected by the beam at all based on the specifics of the code is total bantha poodoo. It takes arcane shenanigans of the highest order to develop a weapon that will only wipe out Microsoft Bob from the face of the earth.
The only thing I could come up with is that maybe it is tied in to the Reapers seizing control of the Citadel in previous cycles and putting the relay network on its 'Reaper only' setting. Maybe that isolated individual fleets and the Reapers just picked them off one by one with overwhelming numbers, whereas in Shepard's cycle fleets are still free to make tactical withdraws into, counterattack, or reinforce other sectors only accessible by the relay network. Maybe the Asari and Turians had more success because they were able to bring more force to bear.
Though of course that then raises the question of why the Reapers didn't head for the Citadel before Earth, Palaven, or Thessia.
I think your first bit hits the nail on the head
As for the second, plot reasons
I do find it hard to believe however that each cycle before us never really managed to take down Capital Reapers, we see that they did take out the Leviathan of Dis and the Derelict Reaper in ME2, so its likely that each cycle managed to inflict some casualties.
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