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[SporkFu]

Is she? "I have a block that prevents me from answering that question" shows her knowledge of the information inside? It's a simple programming matter, if the condition is not met the code under that condition is skipped.

Sure she knows what's being blocked. It's all accessible to her; she just can't talk about it. It makes more sense to make everything accessible to her, but prevent her from talking about some of it, that to deny her access to anything. Her cyberwarfare suites alone probably require she has access to everything.

[Farangbaa]

Ploy is also likely

 

Geez, can't even trust a synthetic woman

 

[Vazgen]

Sure she knows what's being blocked. It's all accessible to her; she just can't talk about it. It makes more sense to make everything accessible to her, but prevent her from talking about some of it, that to deny her access to anything. Her cyberwarfare suites alone probably require she has access to everything.

Whatever is required for her operation she has access to. She does not perform as efficiently as in unshackled state due to the lack of access.

[SporkFu]

She does not perform as efficiently as in unshackled state due to the lack of access.

There's no evidence of that. 

[Iakus]

Yeah, it required Space Jesus to do it. No ordinary person full of cybernetics could do it. I doubt Tali could have done it. Any Cerberus operative could have done it.

It's what Shepard was born for!

 

Commander Shepard=Kwisatz Hadarach!

[Vazgen]

 

There's no evidence of that. 

There is. Compare EDI's dialogue before and after her shackles are removed. 

Before: 

EDI "I serve additional functions that are restricted at this time"

Shepard: "Additional functions? Like what?"

EDI "I do not know. Some of my databases are sealed, some of my hardware are kept offline"

After:

EDI: "I also gained access to anti-Reaper cyberwarfare algorithms recovered by Cerberus"

[Iakus]

 

And how's that irrelevant? EDI is the only example of a sentient shackled AI in the series and she is based on Reaper tech. I'd say that's quite relevant.

It's irrelevant because "The Crucible will not discriminate.  All synthetic life will be targeted"

 

You have been shown two citations that there are other AIs in the ME galaxy, not including the Cerberus Network article about the Virtual Aliens.  Not all synthetic life has Reaper tech in it.

 

Ergo, relevant.

 

Unless you wish to tell me that the Catalyst was lying, (despite the fact that this is clearly a Talking Head by the writers and we're supposed to trust it). In which case, why should we believe a single word it's saying>

[Vazgen]

It's irrelevant because "The Crucible will not discriminate.  All synthetic life will be targeted"

 

You have been shown two citations that there are other AIs in the ME galaxy, not including the Cerberus Network article about the Virtual Aliens.  Not all synthetic life has Reaper tech in it.

 

Ergo, relevant.

 

Unless you wish to tell me that the Catalyst was lying, (despite the fact that this is clearly a Talking Head by the writers and we're supposed to trust it). In which case, why should we believe a single word it's saying>

You shouldn't. That's why I go for Destroy, because he tries quite hard to sway you from that option. And I don't buy the notion you advocate that we should trust it because the writers have made it so. I trust whoever and whatever I want and I certainly don't know what the writers' intentions were when they created that character.

[Iakus]

You shouldn't. That's why I go for Destroy, because he tries quite hard to sway you from that option. And I don't buy the notion you advocate that we should trust it because the writers have made it so. I trust whoever and whatever I want and I certainly don't know what the writers' intentions were when they created that character.

 

I think the writers were quite clear on trusting the Catalyst.  And EC makes it even more blatant that we are supposed to trust the little genocidal maniac.

[Vazgen]

I think the writers were quite clear on trusting the Catalyst.  And EC makes it even more blatant that we are supposed to trust the little genocidal maniac.

I think trusting him is a choice you make. I would not trust an AI responsible for creating and controlling the Reapers telling me to sacrifice myself, because destroying the Reapers may kill all synthetic life in the universe.

[AlanC9]

You shouldn't. That's why I go for Destroy, because he tries quite hard to sway you from that option. And I don't buy the notion you advocate that we should trust it because the writers have made it so. I trust whoever and whatever I want and I certainly don't know what the writers' intentions were when they created that character.

I'm a little unclear about something. Do you distrust the Catalyst because you think he's wrong about stuff, or because you think he's lying? These are two very different things, and the case for the first is a lot stronger than the case for the second, which requires some very bizarre beliefs about the Catalyst's actual priorities.

[von uber]

If you distrust the catalyst why would you believe it to pick destroy?

[Vazgen]

I'm a little unclear about something. Do you distrust the Catalyst because you think he's wrong about stuff, or because you think he's lying? These are two very different things, and the case for the first is a lot stronger than the case for the second, which requires some very bizarre beliefs about the Catalyst's actual priorities.

Both. I don't trust the Reaper chief that comes out just when I have the chance to destroy them all and tries to convince me to kill myself. His choice of a child appearance is clearly an attempt of manipulation.

 

If you distrust the catalyst why would you believe it to pick destroy?

I pick destroy in spite of him, not because I believe him. I see three options, first two require sacrificing myself and hoping for the Reaper chief to be right. One of these options smells of indoctrination (TIM example) the other is something the Reapers are already doing on Earth. Then I see the third option. Catalyst tries to convince me that it is the worst one, all synthetic life in the galaxy will die, I may die because I'm partly synthetic. But this path does not require me to willingly kill myself. If he's lying and nothing will happen - well, at least I've tried and there is no reason to believe he was sincere in the other two cases. If the Reapers are destroyed along with geth and EDI - I've destroyed the Reapers. That's what comes to mind - Stand amongst the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters. 

[Farangbaa]

Yeah, because walking headfirst into exploding tubes is not suicide.

[Vazgen]

Yeah, because walking headfirst into exploding tubes is not suicide.

There is at least a chance of survival

[Farangbaa]

There is at least a chance of survival

I can't even begin to describe how ridiculous that is. Shepard should never have survived that, transhuman or not.

But hey, more impossible **** happens in the MEU, so I'm not surprised.

[von uber]

Yeah, because walking headfirst into exploding tubes is not suicide.

That was only done as shooting the tube from a distance doesn't imperil Shep.
Got to have that sacrifice in there.

[themikefest]

Shepard should never of survived the beam from Harbinger, but does.

[Jukaga]

Hate on the dreams all you want but to say they served no narrative purpose says you weren't paying attention. Sure it was a hackneyed attempt but the narrative purpose of the dream scenes is painfully obvious. The correct reason not to like them is that they railroad your Shepard into being a PTSD wreck 'just holding it together' no matter how we played our Shepards before.

 

The breath scene was just a little reward for getting a 'high' amount of EMS and picking the correct ending, so fanfickers can write their post reaper war blue baby stories.

[Steelcan]

If you distrust the catalyst why would you believe it to pick destroy?

you can distrust what he says without having to reject all the choices outright.

 

For example, I don't trust his assertions about the nature of inevitability when it comes to organic extinction

[Farangbaa]

That was only done as shooting the tube from a distance doesn't imperil Shep.
Got to have that sacrifice in there.

Even if he shot it from a distance:
 

 

About 13:20 in. Look at the state of the Citadel.

 

Then again, Shepard can fall from orbit and have his body intact, suppose he can breathe in space too.

 

Space magic all the way!

[Vazgen]

Even if he shot it from a distance:
 

 

About 13:20 in. Look at the state of the Citadel.

 

Then again, Shepard can fall from orbit and have his body in tact. Space magic all the way.

It still orbits the Earth. Should have enough power to maintain life support systems. Shepard is at the tip of that spire in the middle of the Presidium ring. Given as how it houses the most important systems of the Citadel, it is quite likely that more power is diverted to that part of the Citadel.

[Farangbaa]

Where on earth do you get the assumption it still has enough power left to maintain life support?

 

You know there's nothing there, right? He's standing in a mass effect bubble.

[SporkFu]

There is. Compare EDI's dialogue before and after her shackles are removed.
Before:
EDI "I serve additional functions that are restricted at this time"
Shepard: "Additional functions? Like what?"
EDI "I do not know. Some of my databases are sealed, some of my hardware are kept offline"
After:
EDI: "I also gained access to anti-Reaper cyberwarfare algorithms recovered by Cerberus"

You were holding that back, waiting for me to make an ass out of myself weren't you? ...j/k... I'd forgotten that dialogue.

[AlanC9]

Then again, Shepard can fall from orbit and have his body intact, suppose he can breathe in space too.

Um... since he fell, he can't have actually been in orbit. "Orbit" means that you're not falling, right?