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[AresKeith]

It would be an fair point weren't for the fact the wardens still are the same opportunist and selfish bunch from the old days. They changed nothing since them.

 

Sounds no different from any other group in DA

 

And selfish seems very off

[sandalisthemaker]

The author has stated she'd never have done it, though, if she'd known.

 

While other Wardens would have just forced her to do it anyway.

 

It says a lot about the GW that.

 

That's true.  I think this just shows how determined the Wardens are at stopping the Blights.  They will literally do whatever it takes.  Of course, there will always be consequences, as we have clearly seen.  

 

I think that Vivienne's quote summarizes the Warden's collective reasoning quite well:  

 

"For those who value survival, sentimentality is not an option."

 

Isseya, although willing to do whatever it takes, does not allow herself to make peace with what she has done.  It's part of what makes her so tragic and is why I really like her.

[Willowhugger]

It would be an fair point weren't for the fact the wardens still are the same opportunist and selfish bunch from the old days. They changed nothing since them.

 

That's an odd description.

They seem psychotically unselfish.

[Jaison1986]

That's an odd description.

They seem psychotically unselfish.

 

Considering they are willing to destroy lifes, burn down cities and leave people to suffer if it means getting what they want, I would put them quite on the selfish category.

[sandalisthemaker]

That's an odd description.

They seem psychotically unselfish.

 

Isseya is probably the least selfish character I have ever encountered.

 

The fact that she was perfectly fine with her brother taking all the glory despite all the lives she saved with her force spell aravels and the dislodging of ice to supply the refugees with water, speaks volumes.

 

Like Eluvianus Rex told me:    "She destroyed herself to save Thedas."

[Willowhugger]

Considering they are willing to destroy lifes, burn down cities and leave people to suffer if it means getting what they want, I would put them quite on the selfish category.

Except, they're doing it not for themselves.

 

You could say EVIL.

But selfish implies they're not doing it for the world. Which is their overriding motivation.

[Willowhugger]

Like Eluvianus Rex told me:    "She destroyed herself to save Thedas."

First Warden: Would any Warden do less?

Now I suddenly comprehend why the Qunari respect the Grey Wardens.

[Mr.House]

Considering they are willing to destroy lifes, burn down cities and leave people to suffer if it means getting what they want, I would put them quite on the selfish category.

Except they are not doing for personal gain or for lulz. they are doing it to fight the darkspawn, end blights and protect the mass. Sometimes a price has to be paid.

[AresKeith]

Considering they are willing to destroy lifes, burn down cities and leave people to suffer if it means getting what they want, I would put them quite on the selfish category.

 

It would be selfish if they were doing it for themselves, they don't

 

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[Warden Commander Aeducan]

It would be an fair point weren't for the fact the wardens still are the same opportunist and selfish bunch from the old days. They changed nothing since them.

They are no saint, and they do what necessary to defeat the Darkspawn. Frankly, there are two kinds of people among the wardens ranks those who would sacrifice themselves to protect the innocent, and those who will do whatever necessary to defeat the Blight tbh it was desperate times during 4th Blight, and since Darkspawn are one of the largest threat to Thedas they can't always play by the rules if they hope to win.

They didn't burn down entire cities or villages for fun or for their own gains, they do it to fight the Darkspawn and stop the taint from spreading, and if they always follow ethical constraints then they can't defeat the Darkspawn at all.  I can think of the other organization that's entirely self-serving and seek to destroy everything in its path, or sacrifice innocent for its own interest while the Grey Warden lean towards more of Chaotic Good, if you follow d&d alignment.

[Hellion Rex]

Isseya is probably the least selfish character I have ever encountered.

 

The fact that she was perfectly fine with her brother taking all the glory despite all the lives she saved with her force spell aravels and the dislodging of ice to supply the refugees with water, speaks volumes.

 

Like Eluvianus Rex told me:    "She destroyed herself to save Thedas."

Lol, calling me out, Sandybear.

[Willowhugger]

Except they are not doing for personal gain or for lulz. they are doing it to fight the darkspawn, end blights and protect the mass. Sometimes a price has to be paid.

 

Of course, Teyrn Loghain shows just how this sort of mindset can be self-destructive to your cause.

 

It's not that the Wardens were willing to sacrifice the Griffons to destroy the Blight.

It was they didn't bother to look for an alternative.

And never would because RUTHLESS=GOOD in the Warden's eyes.

 

No wonder Loghain finds himself oddly happy once he's one. He's suddenly surrounded by people who believe EXACTLY as he does.

[AresKeith]

Actually, I find it strange that they do. They seem to be the only science based society in Thedas. There should be more research conducted on stopping the darkspawn instead of what amounts to a 2000 yr old sacrificial ritual. It's cool that the Wardens are dedicaterd and all, but it sucks that no one has thought of any better way to fight the darkspawn. lol

 

For all we know that's what they did during the First Blight before the Joining Ritual 

[sandalisthemaker]

Lol, calling me out, Sandybear.

 

That was a great way of putting it, Luvy. It was perfect.

[Willowhugger]

Actually, I find it strange that they do. They seem to be the only science based society in Thedas. There should be more research conducted on stopping the darkspawn instead of what amounts to a 2000 yr old sacrificial ritual. It's cool that the Wardens are dedicaterd and all, but it sucks that no one has thought of any better way to fight the darkspawn. lol

 

 

I they do that since Avernus says the Grey Wardens are pretty good at overlooking Blood Magic.

[Jaison1986]

Of course, Teyrn Loghain shows just how this sort of mindset can be self-destructive to your cause.

 

It's not that the Wardens were willing to sacrifice the Griffons to destroy the Blight.

It was they didn't bother to look for an alternative.

And never would because RUTHLESS=GOOD in the Warden's eyes.

 

No wonder Loghain finds himself oddly happy once he's one. He's suddenly surrounded by people who believe EXACTLY as he does.

 

I think the fact Loghain fits like an glove into the grey wardens is quite telling. I sometimes think the price we have to pay just get too high sometimes. The grey wardens should be held accountable sometimes.

[AresKeith]

I think the fact Loghain fits like an glove into the grey wardens is quite telling. I sometimes think the price we have to pay just get too high sometimes. The grey wardens should be held accountable sometimes.

 

Considering how dangerous a threat the Blight really is, I disagree

[Willowhugger]

I think the fact Loghain fits like an glove into the grey wardens is quite telling. I sometimes think the price we have to pay just get too high sometimes. The grey wardens should be held accountable sometimes.

 

I agree. I actually think it's funny to think "our" Warden and his collection of oddballs at Vigil's Keep are despised by the majority of them.

Being a Warden is about dour humorless Night's Watch service.

It is NOT about being adorably quirky.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

No wonder Loghain finds himself oddly happy once he's one. He's suddenly surrounded by people who believe EXACTLY as he does.

Except...he's also surrounded by the Orlesian.

[HiroVoid]

Of course, Teyrn Loghain shows just how this sort of mindset can be self-destructive to your cause.

 

It's not that the Wardens were willing to sacrifice the Griffons to destroy the Blight.

It was they didn't bother to look for an alternative.

And never would because RUTHLESS=GOOD in the Warden's eyes.

 

No wonder Loghain finds himself oddly happy once he's one. He's suddenly surrounded by people who believe EXACTLY as he does.

Yeah.  It'd be interesting to see Loghain again in Inquisition if only to see how he's dealing with warden life.

 

Spoiler

Though if the wardens of Orlais are enemies, its possible he may be an enemy/boss unless he's like Blackwall.

[Mr.House]

Warden:We do what we must to fight the darkspawn.

[Willowhugger]

Except...he's also surrounded by the Orlesian.

I like to think Loghain would find it hell for about five minutes until he finds out 90% of them are Orlesian peasants, elves, and mages who despise the chevaliers almost as much as he does.

 

It would be an odd sensation finding out most Orlesians have the same horror stories he grew up with.

 

I can't imagine the Wardens of Orlais are made up of the peacock chevaliers when the majority of a Warden's life is cold austerity and self-sacrifice.