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[veeia]

I'm also surprised more people haven't been talking about how cool it was that there was a

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character who appeared to be gender fluid. I thought that was pretty rad, and wished we could have spent more time with them

[Hellion Rex]

I'm also surprised more people haven't been talking about how cool it was that there was a

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character who appeared to be gender fluid. I thought that was pretty rad, and wished we could have spent more time with them

Oh yeah, Lisme was great!

 

I was also interested in hearing how mages have different gifts, as Lisme was the only mage who could manipulate the earth.

[Willowhugger]

Re: The Griffon sacrifice

 

The problem is I think people are assuming I'm saying I'm happy about the Griffon extinction if it meant stopping the Blight. No it's a horrific tragedy and one of the most beautiful animals in Thedas went extinct for it.

 

By saying, "worth it" I am asking, however, what the alternative was.

 

To save the Griffons, how long would we postpone stopping the Blight?

It's not a clear-cut answer to me.

 

The Wardens should have looked for an alternative path than what they did but I understand why they did it.

[AresKeith]

Oh yeah, Lisme was great!

 

I was also interested in hearing how mages have different gifts, as Lisme was the only mage who could manipulate the earth.

 

Earthbending confirmed

[Hellion Rex]

Earthbending confirmed

We need Earth magic worthy of Kyoshi.

[Lulupab]

Earthbending confirmed

Manipulation of metal (something some earthbenders can do) would be VERY interesting. Throwing dem templars in metal armor around would satisfy me to no end.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Willowhugger:  Let us not forget the manner in which the griffons are clearly sentient enough to reject until blood magic forces them.

 

Does blood magic work on animals?  

[Lulupab]

@Willowhugger:  Let us not forget the manner in which the griffons are clearly sentient enough to reject until blood magic forces them.
 
Does blood magic work on animals?

Pretty much works on anyone with blood in their body. For example golems are completely immune.

[Willowhugger]

@Willowhugger:  Let us not forget the manner in which the griffons are clearly sentient enough to reject until blood magic forces them.

 

Does blood magic work on animals?  

 

Blood Magic works on Dragons as we see in Dawn of the Seeker.

So yes, Blood Magic works on animals.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Lulupad:  We have examples? 

 

@Willowhugger:  Ahh, it works on dragons - okay.

[Willowhugger]

All indications are Griffons are animals.

As someone who has pets in real life, the idea they don't have an opinion on things happening to them is ludicrous.

[Lulupab]

@Lulupad:  We have examples?

Maybe the codex mentions it? My source was in-game description of the blood mage spells. It ignores all resistances when damaging and cannot be resisted and its clearly stated creatures without blood are immune.

[Vulpe]

Not many options for those running around, though.

 

Velanna's sister ( Seranni ) could be one.

[Hellion Rex]

@Willowhugger:  Ahh, it works on dragons - okay.

Yeah, but they needed Avexis to still control them. She had the ability to control animals. Making her drink dragon blood allowed her to control dragons themselves. I don't think it was necessarily full on blood magic. The maleficar enthralled her, and she manipulated the dragons.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Willowhugger:  Don't even get me started on what I'd do to the person that seriously suggested sacrificing my two pets to save themselves from the Darkspawn.

 

"But we'll live." 

"No, you're going to die first if you touch my pets. Then WE'LL die fighting the Darkspawn."  

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Because a woman used blood magic to force them through the Joining, and ended up infecting the entire race with the Taint.

 

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The grey wardens put themthrough the joining, used blood magic on them which made them very aggressive killing machines that don't stop until they're dead, that would attack friend or foe and extremely uncontrollable without blood magic.

It also caused a disease which also had some nasty side effects, aggressiveness, madness, suicidal attacks, attacking and killing each other and other people.

Not mention the blights before, and the wardens started killing some of them off aswell.

 

Yeah but why did that end up happening in the Fourth Blight and not in the much longer First, Second or Third ones?

[Aimi]

We need Earth magic worthy of Kyoshi.

but but but lavabending was only introduced in Korra book 3!!!1111

[AresKeith]

but but but lavabending was only introduced in Korra book 3!!!1111

 

Technically it's been around since ATLA, but only the Avatar was shown to do it

[Aimi]

Technically it's been around since ATLA, but only the Avatar was shown to do it

Yes, I know. I was mocking the people who complained a few months ago.

[AresKeith]

Yes, I know. I was mocking the people who complained a few months ago.

 

Ok

[Willowhugger]

@Willowhugger:  Don't even get me started on what I'd do to the person that seriously suggested sacrificing my two pets to save themselves from the Darkspawn.

 

"But we'll live." 

"No, you're going to die first if you touch my pets. Then WE'LL die fighting the Darkspawn."  

 

You'd like the novel Time of Death: Induction.

 

It's a funny zombie novel.

 

The main character threatens her husband if he even THINKS about telling her to leave behind their dog (she ends up toting the Little Yorkie around the entire series).

[Spectre slayer]

Yeah but why did that end up happening in the Fourth Blight and not in the much longer First, Second or Third ones?

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I guess no one thought of putting them through the joining before or resorting to blood magic during it and after it.

Blood magic was a big taboo back then aswell and a lot of people lacked knowledge of it, nor did they broadcast it much, also Isseya barley scratched the surface of what it could do.

No one could've foreseen that it would create a disease that would spread through the air, or their blood or both and affect the ones who didn't undergo the joining process or even have contact with them.

She also didn't know enough about blood magic or what the possible ramifications of her actions would be, the wardens were trying to stop it from spreading and didn't want people to know that it was their fault that the idolized Griffin's were dieing because of their actions.

If Isseya didn't put the first Griffin through the joining and use blood magic on it, and if Garaharel didn't tell the first warden the Griffin's would most likely never have reached near extinction.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Willowhugger:  Oh yeah, that would be me.  LOL

 

I'd be happier if the Wardens simply told the rest of the people:  "Your choice, you go through the Joining, or we all die." 

 

OR

 

Just force the Joining on the elves, dwarves and humans.  It's as insidious as what they did - but why should it bother them?  The Blight is SO dangerous after all.

[veeia]

 

Yeah but why did that end up happening in the Fourth Blight and not in the much longer First, Second or Third ones?

 

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Because no one ever used blood magic to control them after the Joining. Previously, when the griffons were exposed to the taint, they just ripped eachother and everyone around them apart.  Isseya was the first one to use BM during the ritual, so they didn't die immediately.

 

I also think it's possible she's not the *first* person to do it, but she was the first person to do it on a large scale. If one Warden did it to one griffon and they died quickly, maybe the disease wouldn't spread.

[PhroXenGold]

@Willowhugger:  Oh yeah, that would be me.  LOL

 

I'd be happier if the Wardens simply told the rest of the people:  "Your choice, you go through the Joining, or we all die." 

 

OR

 

Just force the Joining on the elves, dwarves and humans.  It's as insidious as what they did - but why should it bother them?  The Blight is SO dangerous after all.

 

The thing is, forcing joining on large gourps of people like that is not a good move. It's fine on individuals, particularly those for whatever reason are on the edge of society (look at DA:O for example) But mass conscription into the wardens would be a huge risk and not one that should've been taken at the time the griffons were joined. Maybe if all else had failed, but not yet. Not due to any concerns about morality, just simple practicality, For one, the combination of having it imposed on them and the huge casualties that will result from it would likely utterly destroy the morale of the human (/elven/dwarven) armies, seriously risking any chance of resistance against the darkspawn. Secondly, there is a limit on the amount of joining that can be done. The resources are not unlimited. Joining the griffons frankly gives the best bang for the buck, and those humans affected (the riders) have already committed everything to the blight. It's not a nice thing to do. It's not a good thing to do. It's a necessary thing to do.

 

When facing destruction, morality is a luxury you cannot afford. The wardens did what they had to. And. It. Worked.

 

You know, thinking more about it, once a stable population of griffons is reached, should the darkspawn again become a threat, I think that returning to Issyea's magic could be worth doing. Now that the consequences are known, they can be controlled. Keep multiple separate breeding populations isolated from any contact with outside griffons, and the risk of the infection spreading to them would be very much minimised (remember, the "extinction" was as much a failure to react quickly to the signs of disease and infection on behalf of the wardens, especially given the amount they used griffons to travel, as it was a consequence of blood magic). By no means should this be the first option explored, as there are risks to it. But if humanity was once more faced with extinction, it would again be the right choice.