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[The Elder King]

Well you could die with your family but that's the end of the game.

:-)

The same goes for the dalish. If you stay with your clan you die (or rather, become a ghoul).
Some people would still prefer to have the option for their characters.

[The Elder King]

I guess people are fond of the Deathseeker trope.

Possibly. Though I guess they might just want the option, even if ends with a game over.

[Killdren88]

The same goes for the dalish. If you stay with your clan you die (or rather, become a ghoul).
Some people would still prefer to have the option for their characters.

 

Honestly with my Dalish Playthrough I wanted a chance to gut Duncan. I mean the time it takes getting to Ostagar. I couldn't slit his throat and leave?

[Willowhugger]

My canon is Mage.

Saved me from being Tranquil and now I don't ever have to live in a Circle again.

In fact, Gregoir has to ignore I said, "I hope you rot in hell" when I stood by Jowan and be respectful.

Being a Grey Warden is really giidy-time fun-time for my mage.

He was surprised Anders hated it so much.

[Willowhugger]

Honestly with my Dalish Playthrough I wanted a chance to gut Duncan. I mean the time it takes getting to Ostagar. I couldn't slit his throat and leave?

 

Well, if it's before the Joining, you become a horrible monster.

So there's that.

The game is pretty good about boxing your character in.

[Killdren88]

Well, if it's before the Joining, you become a horrible monster.

So there's that.

The game is pretty good about boxing your character in.

 

Eh, choices. Death before even working with Humans.

[Willowhugger]

Eh, choices. Death before even working with Humans.

That's the fun part of Origins.

Most mages are not hissing anti-templar terrorists but you can be THE one who is.

Ditto Dalish genocidal anti-human types.

[The Elder King]

Honestly with my Dalish Playthrough I wanted a chance to gut Duncan. I mean the time it takes getting to Ostagar. I couldn't slit his throat and leave?

  

Well, if it's before the Joining, you become a horrible monster.
So there's that.
The game is pretty good about boxing your character in.

Eh, choices. Death before even working with Humans.

I think game over choices would've been interesting. Though i don't think my dalish would've taken it.

[Shadow Fox]

I would like to point out that anyone who would call the Grey Wardens selfish obviously has no idea what the heck they are talking about. The Grey Wardens are literally so selfless they impress the Maker himself.

Depends on the Warden.

[The Elder King]

Indeed, not every Warden are focused on the Blight. Anders left the Wardens (though I don't recall if he planned to leave them before the attack), and the former templar shown in Anders' short story went against the normal Wardens' rules.

[Shadow Fox]

Indeed, not every Warden are focused on the Blight. Anders left the Wardens (though I don't recall if he planned to leave them before the attack), and the former templar shown in Anders' short story went against the normal Wardens' rules.

And Sophia Dryden and Velanna and possibly Oghren and the Warden themselves.

[The Elder King]

And Sophia Dryden and Velanna and possibly Oghren and the Warden themselves.

Why Oghren? I don't recall he could so something to leave the Wardens.

[Willowhugger]

And Sophia Dryden and Velanna and possibly Oghren and the Warden themselves.

 

Where's that Anders short story, btw?

[The Elder King]

http://na.llnet.biow...ries/anders.pdf

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

And Sophia Dryden and Velanna and possibly Oghren and the Warden themselves.

There is no ending that implies Oghren will leave the Grey Warden, he's either stay with the order or died during siege at the Keep.

[Gorguz]

A warden driven mad by the calling isn't exactly a good reference.

Wait, the one who was going through the calling was quite lucid when he spoke to the architect, which has some kind of control over the taint. Utha was lucid too. And didn't they all agree to give the architect the locations of the old gods, to "let it slay the archdemons before the blights begin"? And that nasty move was the very cause of the fifth blight. They hide behind the "whatever it takes", so you can't accuse them for dangerous shortcuts they take. But they have bloody hands.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Ok finally finished the book. As good as the writing was, it was extremely predictable and I pretty much guessed everything that was going to happen after reading like 25-30% of the book. 

 

Spoiler

Also, I was really hoping for a cliffhanger ending like Asunder and Masked Empire had. Both these books made me desperate to play Dragon Age: Inquisition as soon as possible but the griffon's coming back doesn't interest me because they just hatched and so won't probably be as important till DA4.

[Lulupab]

Indeed, not every Warden are focused on the Blight. Anders left the Wardens (though I don't recall if he planned to leave them before the attack), and the former templar shown in Anders' short story went against the normal Wardens' rules.

I always wondered if Rolan didn't do that, would the wardens keep Anders? They have used worse against darkspawn and a technical abomination that can actually think and act like any warden would be really useful. The short story shows the might of an abomination quite clearly and that can be used against the darkspawn. I think dedicated grey warden leaders would put Anders to good use.

[Sister Goldring]

Well I've finished it now too and it's great to have more lore to read up on and imagine but

Spoiler

I wasn't really into the book. I didn't feel connected to the characters at all and I struggled to be interested in their story. I felt a little flat through it, I didn't care when characters died or had to make difficult decisions and I didn't care about the plight of the griffons outside of my interest in whether or not this means they'll show up in future games. I much preferred Asunder and the Masked Empire. I found the characters in these books provoked my sympathy or at least I felt something about them. So it wasn't a roaring success from my perspective but the world of Thedas is interesting and it's nice to know more about it.

[skulldogx]

I forgot to place a order for this book so i have to go into dymock anc get one >:3

[The Elder King]

I always wondered if Rolan didn't do that, would the wardens keep Anders? They have used worse against darkspawn and a technical abomination that can actually think and act like any warden would be really useful. The short story shows the might of an abomination quite clearly and that can be used against the darkspawn. I think dedicated grey warden leaders would put Anders to good use.

I honestly don't know. Though in the end I think it's irrelevant. Justice/Vengeance would've forced Anders on focus on the mage issue. He wouldn't have accepted that Anders would've remained with the Wardens, and the Wardens wouldn't have take the mage side or focus on the mages.

[Gervaise]

Anders was never terribly committed to the Wardens.   One of the first conversations he had with me after the joining he was talking about what to do on leaving or something to that effect.    Although he survived in my epilogue, it does say he leaves to address the mages, possibly at one of their major gatherings, before finally returning to the Wardens for good.   For all we know that could still have happened, with Justice resurrecting him.    It could also explain why Fiona suddenly leaves the Wardens, goes for the job of Grand Enchanter and then promptly pushes for a freedom vote.    In Asunder she says she left with the express intention of doing something about the Circles.    Anyone would think the Grey Wardens wanted events to go as they did, considering the push comes from ex-Grey Wardens who apparently are allowed to leave with little objection from the leadership (Ander's short story not withstanding).    In most military orders, and that is what the Grey Wardens are, Anders and Fiona would be deserters (Alistair as well but I can see why they might make an exception there).    Duncan kills Jordy for not taking the joining (Jordy only drew his sword because Duncan wouldn't take no for an answer) so you'd think that once they surfaced, the Grey Wardens would come and take them back but apparently not.    So I do wonder what was going on there.

[Vita Brevis]

Duncan kills Jordy for not taking the joining

I thought he did it mostly because no one should know what joining is, no? 

And I always thought that the reason why wardens can come and go is because they either served well and stopped the Blight and it's a reward or they simply have a little time left and they probably won't live long enough to the next Blight, and the Wardens don't really need to keep everyone around in a peaceful times.

[DalishRanger]

Well, Jory did also draw a sword on them and was panicked. I always figured Duncan killed him both in keeping the Joining a secret and in proactive self-defense.

[Medhia_Nox]

He killed Jory cause he's a psycho who made up some dipshit rules and then blamed Jory for knowing when it's time to jump ship and murder knifed him.

 

If this had been the Chantry doing this... it would be the mascot of a thousand raging posts.

 

"The Blight demands you go through the joining..."  Player:  "OH, the Wardens are so WISE!"

"The Maker demands you go through the joining... "  Player:  "Evil oppression!  Evil oppression everywhere!"