There are more darkspawn than there are people willingly to fight them. I'm not sure why that's hard to understand.
What doesn't change problem humans waiting situation to go from bad to worse and they don't attack them when they are disorganized instead waiting them to become organized and outright aggressive.If humans would put some effort into that they would handle it.
Because human nature.
True but there are peoples who think for most of them.
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True but there are peoples who think for most of them.
If you want to fight Darkspawn when there isn't a blight, you have to go underground and not to mention risk infecting your men and women with the taint and with no gain other then reduce the numbers of the Darkspawn slightly.
People don't have much motivation to do stuff when there isn't nothing to gain from it, unless they are extreme in their views and actions like the Grey Wardens.
If you want to fight Darkspawn when there isn't a blight, you have to go underground and not to mention risk infecting your men and women with the taint and with no gain other then reduce the numbers of the Darkspawn slightly.
People don't have much motivation to do stuff when there isn't nothing to gain from it, unless they are extreme in their views and actions like the Grey Wardens.
What do you mean no gain in such action darkspawn are threat to humanity as i said pretty much you will have to face darkspawn sooner or later but this time organized so it is sane long-term thinking to crush you enemy before it becomes more powerful.Besides i don't talk about reducing numbers of darkspawn slightly only about destroying it one way or another.
Either leaders in thedas are self-centred or just blind. 
I think joining the griffons was more convenient than necessary. They weren't looking for other solutions because they had an easier one available. Sure they didn't know what would happen, but they didnt even think about the possible long term consequences. If nothing else, they were reducing their breeding population during a very bloody war. It's short sighted. I hope they learn from their mistakes.
Speaking of short sighted... Yeah, I'd like to see the Wardens doing something between blights besides waiting. I don't expect them to wipe the darkspawn out, but they could at least make a concerted effort to help the dwarves push back their boundaries. It doesn't seem like they even have a base there, which just seems ridiculous.
What do you mean no gain in such action darkspawn are threat to humanity as i said pretty much you will have to face darkspawn sooner or later but this time organized so it is sane long-term thinking to crush you enemy before it becomes more powerful.Besides i don't talk about reducing numbers of darkspawn slightly only about destroying it one way or another.
Either leaders in thedas are self-centred or just blind.
They are threat for everything alive, but for the most part Darkspawn stay underground and rarely go above ground expect for a few that kidnaps some people for Broodmothers and such. For the most of Thedas Darkspawn isn't a problem (as the Dwarfs points out in DA:O) until a blight happens, only the underground dwarfs fights them every single day, to destroy the Darkspawn in the deep roads it would take a ton of resources and no one country wants to commit that kind of resources, hell Tevinter and Orlais had trouble helping others during the 3rd and fourth blight, because they didn't want to get involved or because other reasons.
It would take centuries at best to eliminate the Darkspawn from the deep roads and it will cost a lot men and women and other resources. it would take all of Thedas with the Qunari to be able to clean the Darkspawn out, but would they be able to work together in order to do it? No because they can't barely do it during blights.
They are threat for everything alive, but for the most part Darkspawn stay underground and rarely go above ground expect for a few that kidnaps some people for Broodmothers and such. For the most of Thedas Darkspawn isn't a problem (as the Dwarfs points out in DA:O) until a blight happens, only the underground dwarfs fights them every single day, to destroy the Darkspawn in the deep roads it would take a ton of resources and no one country wants to commit that kind of resources, hell Tevinter and Orlais had trouble helping others during the 3rd and fourth blight, because they didn't want to get involved or because other reasons.
It would take centuries at best to eliminate the Darkspawn from the deep roads and it will cost a lot men and women and other resources. it would take all of Thedas with the Qunari to be able to clean the Darkspawn out, but would they be able to work together in order to do it? No because they can't barely do it during blights.
As i said it is blind perspective and lazy that lead to greater threat in future pretty much shows how blind and incompetent thedas nations are.Hardly it would take qunari and entire thedas to destroy darkspawn pretty much i doubt that darkspawn would match qunari and perhaps even if just half thedas joined it would be possible after all dwarves and grey wardens don't have problem going deep into deep roads not mention it could ba done a lot than just fighting like research.Pretty much what im saying leaders are either self-centred (as im but i can see that it is bad for humans) or blind.I wonder if qunari would be smart to deal with them before darkspawn will become greater threat.
Oh and about griffons it wasn't necessary as anything but as most things that peoples do it was convenient and sometimes it is good for you to do what is convinient long-term thinking is good but short-term thinking also is future ally won't matter if you will be killed right now.
What doesn't change problem humans waiting situation to go from bad to worse and they don't attack them when they are disorganized instead waiting them to become organized and outright aggressive.If humans would put some effort into that they would handle it.
There aren't enough able bodied fighters in all of Thedas. The darkspawn outnumber every race combined by a great amount.
There aren't enough able bodied fighters in all of Thedas. The darkspawn outnumber every race combined by a great amount.
In first place because humans allowed that to happen ignoring darkspawn save for blights we don't know if they outnumber every race if that was in case pretty much going on the Deep Roads would be suicide and we know that wardens and dwarves are able going deep into deep roads if that was in case it would be simple impossible.Besides as i said darkspawn are disorganized then so i doubt that they are an army rather just groups situation changes badly during blight.
In first place because humans allowed that to happen ignoring darkspawn save for blights
The darkspawn still exist because no one has ever been able to get deep enough into the Deep Roads to reach them. The dwarves constantly combat them and push against them and their race became endangered. Before the Blights they numbered as much as the humans above. There were less darkspawn then. If you think it's going to be any different now that there are more of them, all the power to you.
we don't know if they outnumber every race if that was in case pretty much going on the Deep Roads would be suicide and we know that wardens and dwarves are able going deep into deep roads if that was in case it would be simple impossible.Besides as i said darkspawn are disorganized then so i doubt that they are an army rather just groups situation changes badly during blight.
Using this logic, special forces squads shouldn't be able to infiltrate behind enemy lines because then they're outnumbered.
The darkspawn still exist because no one has ever been able to get deep enough into the Deep Roads to reach them. The dwarves constantly combat them and push against them and their race became endangered. Before the Blights they numbered as much as the humans above. There were less darkspawn then. If you think it's going to be any different now that there are more of them, all the power to you.
Using this logic, special forces squads shouldn't be able to infiltrate behind enemy lines because then they're outnumbered.
In first place no one ever tried to do that not mention that first time they didn't had any means to combat darkspawn... save for dwarves and even small city of dwarves with suicidal tradition managed to stick through the ages as line of defence and hell they can even fight back.
If they had such numbers as you claim avoding them would be almost impossible... not mention large expeditions or grey wardens that can be find simple by fact they are tainted.
Taint works both ways and since grey wardens are smarter than mindless attackers they almost always manage to outmaneuver the darkspawn in the deep roads.
From what i renember seeing them few times they were fighting with darkspawn not avoding them.But one note it isn't completely true that they are mindless at least not all of them as some of them know human language at least codex claims that.
From what i renember seeing them few times they were fighting with darkspawn not avoding them.But one note it isn't completely true that they are mindless at least not all of them as some of them know human language at least codex claims that.
Grey wardens can easily avoid the darkspawn if they want to, and that is what I was saying. Awakening darkspawns are a new thing and before that the darkspawn are mindless and with archdemon they become like a hive mind or something so if they understand human language it doesn't mean they have consciousness.
And they still fought with them.
Im not talking about daa awakened darkspawn im talking about darkspawn emissaries and if they didn't how they could talk?
In first place no one ever tried to do that not mention that first time they didn't had any means to combat darkspawn... save for dwarves and even small city of dwarves with suicidal tradition managed to stick through the ages as line of defence and hell they can even fight back.
If they had such numbers as you claim avoding them would be almost impossible... not mention large expeditions or grey wardens that can be find simple by fact they are tainted.
1) Source? You expect me to believe that the dwarves didn't try to retake their kingdoms from the start? The dwarves had an empire as large as Thedas and numbered the same as the humans. They still loss to the initial waves. And that "small city" you're talking about isn't trying to fight through the darkspawn, it fortified itself.
2) That makes no sense at all, and there are never any "large expeditions" by Grey Wardens for that very reason.
Taint works both ways and since grey wardens are smarter than mindless attackers they almost always manage to outmaneuver the darkspawn in the deep roads.
Wow, I actually agree with you on something.
Wow, I actually agree with you on something.
1) Source? You expect me to believe that the dwarves didn't try to retake their kingdoms from the start? The dwarves had an empire as large as Thedas and numbered the same as the humans. They still loss to the initial waves. And that "small city" you're talking about isn't trying to fight through the darkspawn, it fortified itself.
2) That makes no sense at all, and there are never any "large expeditions" by Grey Wardens for that very reason.
Wow, I actually agree with you on something.
Eee read again i said save for dwarves and as i said pretty much they didn't had means to fight darkspawn for long time.No it isn't because from what i know they have forts on deep roads also they managed push darkspawn with behlen and in daa.Not mention expeditions that they send.
2.Eee and what dwarves send at least few times? And also we know that grey wardens are going on deep roads in groups or alone and they send expedition maybe not large as we don't know but we know from nathaniel quest.
There aren't enough able bodied fighters in all of Thedas. The darkspawn outnumber every race combined by a great amount.
As i said it is blind perspective and lazy that lead to greater threat in future pretty much shows how blind and incompetent thedas nations are.Hardly it would take qunari and entire thedas to destroy darkspawn pretty much i doubt that darkspawn would match qunari and perhaps even if just half thedas joined it would be possible after all dwarves and grey wardens don't have problem going deep into deep roads not mention it could ba done a lot than just fighting like research.Pretty much what im saying leaders are either self-centred (as im but i can see that it is bad for humans) or blind.I wonder if qunari would be smart to deal with them before darkspawn will become greater threat.
Oh and about griffons it wasn't necessary as anything but as most things that peoples do it was convenient and sometimes it is good for you to do what is convinient long-term thinking is good but short-term thinking also is future ally won't matter if you will be killed right now.
They only times we have been in the deep roads is when the blight is happening or have shortly have happened, the deep roads are more calm during or after a blight have happened.
The are limits to what the Grey Wardens can travel underground, because the Darkspawn in large groups can sense the Grey wardens and the deeper you go the more Darkspawn there are. No one knows how many Darkspawn there is but since a broodmother can give "birth" to 1000 darkspawn their numbers must be in the billions and they don't die of old age or ever unless they get killed by something or someone.
It was a bad idea to use the griffons like that as the Grey Wardens lost their mounts that fly which is more useful since the Dragon flies too. that the Hero of Ferelden managed to kill the Dragon on the ground was nothing less then a miracle and some bad planning in the dragon's part.
They only times we have been in the deep roads is when the blight is happening or have shortly have happened, the deep roads are more calm during or after a blight have happened.
The are limits to what the Grey Wardens can travel underground, because the Darkspawn in large groups can sense the Grey wardens and the deeper you go the more Darkspawn there are. No one knows how many Darkspawn there is but since a broodmother can give "birth" to 1000 darkspawn their numbers must be in the billions and they don't die of old age or ever unless they get killed by something or someone.
It was a bad idea to use the griffons like that as the Grey Wardens lost their mounts that fly which is more useful since the Dragon flies too. that the Hero of Ferelden managed to kill the Dragon on the ground was nothing less then a miracle and some bad planning in the dragon's part.
We have been there 7 years after as well other were there before blights.
They can do that max during their life. so i doubt that are billions.
Not rly there are plenty ways to take down archdemon pretty much 1 we saw in dao and i wouldn't say that was luck because that was planned by riordan all it took was climb on high point and even outside there is magic and ranged weapon like bows and even more powerful weapons.
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I think joining the griffons was more convenient than necessary. They weren't looking for other solutions because they had an easier one available. Sure they didn't know what would happen, but they didnt even think about the possible long term consequences. If nothing else, they were reducing their breeding population during a very bloody war. It's short sighted. I hope they learn from their mistakes.
Speaking of short sighted... Yeah, I'd like to see the Wardens doing something between blights besides waiting. I don't expect them to wipe the darkspawn out, but they could at least make a concerted effort to help the dwarves push back their boundaries. It doesn't seem like they even have a base there, which just seems ridiculous.
I agree with this. In regards to the bolded, the King of Orzammar and the noble caste would probably view this as military provocation by the surface. I think the Wardens would have to help them push the line back before the discussion of setting up shop can begin.
I don't think Gryphons are going to do much good in tight spaces underground.
I agree with this. In regards to the bolded, the King of Orzammar and the noble caste would probably view this as military provocation by the surface. I think the Wardens would have to help them push the line back before the discussion of setting up shop can begin.
I'm thinking if they show up offering to work with the Legion and pushing back boundaries while keeping the king and assembly well informed (as they would in any other land) it wouldn't take long before they could ask for and be given a base.
Am I the only one that picked up that Valya is Isseya's reincarnation. Out of all the elvan mages in four hundred years that have been in the wardens why her? It is just theory of mine.
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