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[XMissWooX]

Just got done reading it.
Got pretty grim towards the end. Even teared up a little there...

Anyone else pick up on "the new Warden Commander of Ferelden?"

[Joe25]

So Smoke had 13 eggs at one time. I know she is a 1000 pounds, but that griffon had to be looking very pregnant.   

[TheJediSaint]

So Smoke had 13 eggs at one time. I know she is a 1000 pounds, but that griffon had to be looking very pregnant.   

Which is probably why everyone knew she was pregnant.

[Hellion Rex]

Anyone else pick up on "the new Warden Commander of Ferelden?"

Probably a response to the Hero of Ferelden disappearing mysteriously.

[Black Jimmy]

Woooooooo!

Just finished it. Loved the ending.

So, do you think Inquisition is set later than we thought or that this book was set during the time frame of Inquisition?

Griffons are back! Griffons! I am proper chuffed. I even had tears of joy 

Think the babies will make an appearance in game?

[Nohvarr]

So Smoke had 13 eggs at one time. I know she is a 1000 pounds, but that griffon had to be looking very pregnant.   

I'm not sure 13 is enough to recreate the griffon population....not even if those 13 are a mix of eggs from different mothers....hmmm.....unless our heroine went around collecting multiple clutches and squirreling them away all across the world....which is possible I suppose.....

 

Well, if they're in the game I will do my best to ensure their survival....the Inquisition could use a Griffon or two as symbols of our power and alliance with the Wardens.

[Joe25]

I'm not sure 13 is enough to recreate the griffon population....not even if those 13 are a mix of eggs from different mothers....hmmm.....unless our heroine went around collecting multiple clutches and squirreling them away all across the world....which is possible I suppose.....

 

Well, if they're in the game I will do my best to ensure their survival....the Inquisition could use a Griffon or two as symbols of our power and alliance with the Wardens.

So what she did what Flemeth and her daughters did with the dragons, only with griffons. I am all for the theory. Her mind was half gone with first nest, so there could be more out there than just one nest.   

[SgtSteel91]

I'm not sure 13 is enough to recreate the griffon population....not even if those 13 are a mix of eggs from different mothers....hmmm.....unless our heroine went around collecting multiple clutches and squirreling them away all across the world....which is possible I suppose.....

 

Well, if they're in the game I will do my best to ensure their survival....the Inquisition could use a Griffon or two as symbols of our power and alliance with the Wardens.

 

The author has stated that she was thinking of the modern example of the Norwegian lundehund as justification for the potential survival of the species despite a tight bottleneck. 

[wright1978]

Finally finished last flight. Loved the story and the ending. Been really wanting griffons back in the DAI world, ever since DAO.
Let's hope in the next game after DAI they might be involved and that despite the low number of eggs the species can come back.

[Gustave Flowbert]

I've almost finished myself (but have long since spoiled myself on the big reveal) but with Blackwall's character card, I'm kind of hoping all the "no griffons" statements have been filthy lies to cover up the true glory of a griffon rescue quest line, heh! I'm sure it's really not in the game as it stands (but hey, possibly DLC in a few years) but it would be so rad to be a part of revitalizing the griffons in Thedas.

[TheJediSaint]

Just got done reading it.
Got pretty grim towards the end. Even teared up a little there...

Anyone else pick up on "the new Warden Commander of Ferelden?"

I suspect it's "Oghren time" in Amarathine.

[Reznore57]

I've almost finished myself (but have long since spoiled myself on the big reveal) but with Blackwall's character card, I'm kind of hoping all the "no griffons" statements have been filthy lies to cover up the true glory of a griffon rescue quest line, heh! I'm sure it's really not in the game as it stands (but hey, possibly DLC in a few years) but it would be so rad to be a part of revitalizing the griffons in Thedas.

 

I think the griffons might appear if we get a new Blight , at best in DAI we will hear rumors about the eggs.

There's only 13 baby griffons , so stealing one for the Inquisition would be bad in the long run.

[Gustave Flowbert]

True! I'm sure we couldn't ride them into battle or train them for war but I just mean to sort of rescue the eggs and give them a safe place to incubate and hatch. I get the feeling we'll be sorting out a big divide in the Wardens so with Blackwall providing a dramatic hook for that, I just think the griffons would be a neat little twist in that side of the plot. Either way, very cool they're back in the world, in game or not

[Hydwn]

Finally finished the book, and then the thread.

 

I doubt the griffins will be old enough for riding in DAI, but they've always made it clear they never intended DA to just be a trilogy.  They'll be inbred like Lannisters within a few games, but the dragons are worse off

 

(I wonder if dragons were so vicious before they went extinct, or if they're all the King Joffreys of dragon-dom?)

 

I'm with those that think the what's-happening-to-the-wardens is Corypheus, which makes me suspect even more than I had that he's going to be big in either DAI or a future game, and may wind up being what Hawke's remembered for.  It seems to be centred on Orlais, and as someone said, seems to involve the Orlesian Warden-Commander.  

 

(Which makes me wonder if that's why Blackwall's working for the Inquisition?  Didn't he used to be second-in-command in Orlais?  Was he fired for asking questions, or did he decide it wasn't safe there?)

 

As for blood magic accelerating the taint, that actually seems to work with what we saw in The Calling.  As Bregan was injured, taint began to rush in to replace what he'd lost - forming spongy, fungal, tainted flesh where he'd lost skin.  Taint was rushing in to replace missing body parts. Maybe that inexhaustible taint partially replaces lost blood?

[wright1978]

I think the griffons might appear if we get a new Blight , at best in DAI we will hear rumors about the eggs.

There's only 13 baby griffons , so stealing one for the Inquisition would be bad in the long run.

 

Reading the book made me want another the next game to be another blight, and to be a grey warden with a Griffon.

[Dark Helmet]

I suspect it's "Oghren time" in Amarathine.

 

We can only hope. I'd pity the Darkspawn that tried to mess with an army of wardens with Oghren as their commander.

[TTTX]

We can only hope. I'd pity the Darkspawn that tried to mess with an army of wardens with Oghren as their commander.

I pity everyone who messes with the wardens with Oghren as their commander.

[wright1978]

Would have loved the book to have gone into more detail about blight but guess that would have meant a much bigger book.
I was hooked on the 4th blight portions despite my growing dislike of Isseya once she went back on her word never to use her experiment again. At least she was partially redeemed by the end. Being her diary I worried at how Garahel's story would be put across but I think they did a good job of showing what set him apart from others whilst still making him a person with flaws.

Not sure if this question has come up on previous pages but everyone seems blasé about knowledge of the joining.
Was ferelden different because warden's had been kicked out or is this a discrepancy?

[Gervaise]

It does seem strange that the Joining has gone from being all hush, hush and a big Warden secret to everyone seemingly knowing about it.   However, Anora knew at the end of Origins so may be some wardens are better at keeping it secret than others.  

 

The Wardens don't seem to be much in a hurry to make people do the joining either.   Unlike Duncan who even before the Blight began was putting people through the Joining and losing about half his recruits as a result.    I actually think the approach in Last Flight makes more sense.   Why risk losing so many recruits between Blights?   Okay it enables you to sense the darkspawn but also the darkspawn to sense you.   It is not as though they are hard to find in the Deep Roads and a good untainted scout should be just as effective in sneaking up on them.   Then if people do get sick, you can put them through the Joining as you and they have nothing to lose.   Also given you need not just darkspawn blood but also arch demon blood, you have a finite resource which is going to be far more valuable when a Blight actually occurs.   It is noticeable that whilst Garahel was very good at recruiting people to aid them, he didn't seem to be asking them all to join up.

 

There could be a side quest in DAI relating to keeping the griffon chicks safe, even if only a war map task that you are not directly involved in.   However, it would be years before they grew enough to be used and then with such small numbers, would anyone want to risk them?    Even if another Blight occurred, DAO has already demonstrated that griffons are not necessary for success.     It does seem rather laughably ironic that without griffons the 5th Blight was the shortest Blight in history.   No wonder some people in Thedas are still saying it wasn't a true Blight at all.

[wright1978]

There could be a side quest in DAI relating to keeping the griffon chicks safe, even if only a war map task that you are not directly involved in.   However, it would be years before they grew enough to be used and then with such small numbers, would anyone want to risk them?    Even if another Blight occurred, DAO has already demonstrated that griffons are not necessary for success.     It does seem rather laughably ironic that without griffons the 5th Blight was the shortest Blight in history.   No wonder some people in Thedas are still saying it wasn't a true Blight at all.

It would be a nice touch if existence of the Griffon chicks comes up during the game but not i'd want it as a side quest.

 

I came away from reading about 4th blight thinking how insanely lucky my Warden got in the 5th blight. The absence of the Griffons could have been very important if the blight had become the longer term war of attrition that previous blights were. The span of a larger blight seems to be a thing that is hard to get across over a single game. If they do revisit the blight i wonder if they would revisit the trilogy approach Mass Effect attempted.

[Darth Spike]

Am I the only one who read the book and got teary-eyed with Isseya had her final flight with Revas and when the griffon chicks hatched. Isseya's ending was sad because of all the terrible things she had to do to end the blight. I mean how much did she hate herself when it was all said and done? It seemed like she died a little every time she joined a griffon. 

It was a happy moment when the chicks hatched because it ensured the continuation of the griffons. I know they're only 13 of them and they're just babies. But if the wardens actually treat better then during the fourth blight then after a few generations the griffons should be back to full strength.


Anyway I hope we do have a quest to help or at least see the baby griffons.

[JudgeOverdose]

It would be a nice touch if existence of the Griffon chicks comes up during the game but not i'd want it as a side quest.

 

I came away from reading about 4th blight thinking how insanely lucky my Warden got in the 5th blight. The absence of the Griffons could have been very important if the blight had become the longer term war of attrition that previous blights were. The span of a larger blight seems to be a thing that is hard to get across over a single game. If they do revisit the blight i wonder if they would revisit the trilogy approach Mass Effect attempted.

 

I think there are many factors that caused the 5th Blight to turn out the way it did. One of the bigger points is that Duncan had several years of warning that the Blight was coming. Also, the Architect attempted to convert Urthemiel into a disciple; the experiment obviously failed, but it's hard to believe he stood idly by just waiting to see what happened. He sought to end the call of the Old Gods, and no doubt had some level of background influence on the Blight. Additionally, there was some level of intervention from the ever prophetic Flemeth, sending a couple of unwitting Wardens to amass a motley crew of an army, knowing the likely outcome of such a situation. I agree that there was a lot of luck there, but there was also a lot of forewarning, and some unseen hands guiding the course of both the Wardens and the darkspawn.

 

I do not think that the Wardens had any such luxuries regarding the 4th Blight, nor any of the blights prior to it.

 

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I am interested in seeing what happens with the griffons in the future. I believe that Mike Laidlaw stated that we wouldn't be riding any in Inquisition. I would like to find out what happened to Valya after the book ended.

[Stronglav]

I wish I could ride the dragon in DAI.