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[Han Shot First]

I think the child will be the same. Any differences will likely just be in dialogue referring to the child's origin.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I think the child will be the same. Any differences will likely just be in dialogue referring to the child's origin.

I'm picturing Loghain or Alistair facepalming when they see the child tearing down buildings in Dragon Age IV.

[DinkyD]

Frankly, I imagine the Old God Baby will live in the middle of the woods and occasionally become a dragon.

 

Just another Flemeth or Morrigan, basically.

 

I don't think he or she's destined for quite the Earth-shaking legacy people think.

 

Especially since their existence is optional.

 

Do we know for certain that the OGB is going to appear? Because I can't be the only one that's wondering how the devs are going to handle this. I think they have backed themselves into a bit of a corner with the Ritual. They have this potentially world changing thing that has happened in some people's games but not in others.

 

Different paths are usually dealt with my making the outcome of these choices relatively trivial – whether Alistair is king or not isn't going to make a huge difference to future plot because it can't be true in everyone's games.

 

But making the outcome of the ritual relatively trivial to the plot and the future of Thedas is a hefty slap in the face for everyone who agonised over the decision. Those that sacrificed their pcs or let their friend/LI die will feel cheated that it turns out that it was all really for nothing as it was of minor significance. My pc that sacrificed herself did it in the belief that she was saving the world from the archdemon and potentially whatever it was that Morrigan wanted. Because whatever Morrigan wanted would have consequences that she could not foresee. And whatever they were, they'd BE BIG.

 

Whatever they do, there's a potential to annoy a substantional proportion of the fanbase, so I sort of assumed we'd be left guessing and they'd continue to string us along (best solution in imho)

[Colbyachi]

Do we know for certain that the OGB is going to appear? Because I can't be the only one that's wondering how the devs are going to handle this. I think they have backed themselves into a bit of a corner with the Ritual. They have this potentially world changing thing that has happened in some people's games but not in others.

 

Different paths are usually dealt with my making the outcome of these choices relatively trivial – whether Alistair is king or not isn't going to make a huge difference to future plot because it can't be true in everyone's games.

 

But making the outcome of the ritual relatively trivial to the plot and the future of Thedas is a hefty slap in the face for everyone who agonised over the decision. Those that sacrificed their pcs or let their friend/LI die will feel cheated that it turns out that it was all really for nothing as it was of minor significance. My pc that sacrificed herself did it in the belief that she was saving the world from the archdemon and potentially whatever it was that Morrigan wanted. Because whatever Morrigan wanted would have consequences that she could not foresee. And whatever they were, they'd BE BIG.

 

Whatever they do, there's a potential to annoy a substantional proportion of the fanbase, so I sort of assumed we'd be left guessing and they'd continue to string us along (best solution in imho)

I see what you are saying, but me personally, I would like some closure or more insight into it because even on my cannon playthrough I picked it. I'm not expecting some game stuff, just some information to satisfy my curiosity  

[Magdalena11]

Do we know for certain that the OGB is going to appear? Because I can't be the only one that's wondering how the devs are going to handle this. I think they have backed themselves into a bit of a corner with the Ritual. They have this potentially world changing thing that has happened in some people's games but not in others.

 

Different paths are usually dealt with my making the outcome of these choices relatively trivial – whether Alistair is king or not isn't going to make a huge difference to future plot because it can't be true in everyone's games.

 

But making the outcome of the ritual relatively trivial to the plot and the future of Thedas is a hefty slap in the face for everyone who agonised over the decision. Those that sacrificed their pcs or let their friend/LI die will feel cheated that it turns out that it was all really for nothing as it was of minor significance. My pc that sacrificed herself did it in the belief that she was saving the world from the archdemon and potentially whatever it was that Morrigan wanted. Because whatever Morrigan wanted would have consequences that she could not foresee. And whatever they were, they'd BE BIG.

 

Whatever they do, there's a potential to annoy a substantional proportion of the fanbase, so I sort of assumed we'd be left guessing and they'd continue to string us along (best solution in imho)

Yes, the OGB is going to appear and it's going to be significant, according to last year's reports.  You're right, it's because it was an agonized decision for some, myself included.

 

As far as the actual storyline of the series, I wouldn't expect a difference.  If we're lucky, we might get an extra boss fight.  I actually only realized a couple days ago that since Morrigan's a shapeshifter and her mother before her, OGB may wind up manifesting as an immature ultra-high dragon or something.  We might have to kill it if it's subject to further corruption (oh, no, Blackwall, I'm so sorry - I'm your biggest fan, really, please don't skewer me.)  Then, it will be dead and it's back to the same plot for everyone.

 

I've done a bit of elementary weaving in the past, and there's something called a dog on the loom.  It's when the threads are so hopelessly tangled, there's no choice but to cut it off and start over.  I think that's kinda what the OGB is.

[schall_und_rauch]

I look at it more from the meta-perspective:

The devs know that people will be hugely dissapointed if it does not play any role at all.

However, since it is not even mandatory that it exists, it cannot be crucial to the storyline.

Making it a boss would be a big letdown. Too easy. Also, sinice we know that Morrigan's part is quite big, it'd just be odd to have her never mention it. 

 

So what do I expect? Many cryptic references from Morrigan. Even more cryptic references if the father is the hero who had a romance with her and went into the Eluvian with her (which is going to be my first world state).

Do I expect to actually *see* the old god baby? Not really. Too trivial if it was just a random side thing, too much effort to do it right for something that is optional.

 

Something I would really like to see is putting Alistair and Morrigan in the same room, especially if they performed the ritual. To me, that's almost more important than seeing the old god baby. Why? Because I like watching cool people in really awkward positions.

[Magdalena11]

I look at it more from the meta-perspective:

The devs know that people will be hugely dissapointed if it does not play any role at all.

However, since it is not even mandatory that it exists, it cannot be crucial to the storyline.

Making it a boss would be a big letdown. Too easy. Also, sinice we know that Morrigan's part is quite big, it'd just be odd to have her never mention it. 

 

So what do I expect? Many cryptic references from Morrigan. Even more cryptic references if the father is the hero who had a romance with her and went into the Eluvian with her (which is going to be my first world state).

Do I expect to actually *see* the old god baby? Not really. Too trivial if it was just a random side thing, too much effort to do it right for something that is optional.

 

Something I would really like to see is putting Alistair and Morrigan in the same room, especially if they performed the ritual. To me, that's almost more important than seeing the old god baby. Why? Because I like watching cool people in really awkward positions.

From a meta perspective, anything less than a boss would be a letdown so huge as to be a gamebreaker for any future games released in the series, ever.  We've been waiting 2 games now for an acknowledgement that our sacrifice wasn't in vain, despite Leliana's miraculous survival for some.  Anything less than spectacular is going to look like the devs are just giving some fans a pat on the head and sending them on their way.  Personally, anything less than an end-game decision to perform some morally questionable bit of magic to spare either the inquisitor's LI or Leliana is going to fall short, but that's not going to happen.  Why?  Not because the first decision was wrong.  It was.  It's because the team learned from their mistakes and now knows it's not fair make some fans suffer at the expense of others.  No matter how much I want to see Leliana twist and burn, it's not going to change the way I played DAO.  No matter how bad the choice was to sacrifice the man I loved, I couldn't go back in time to kill the woman who liked the way I wore my hair just because she survived no matter what and the guy I liked decided that sacrificing himself was the noble thing to do.  Killing Leliana wasn't part of that plot anyway.  I'll tell you this.  I will have one playthrough where she was "killed."  I will have one playthrough where she was left behind for the Sacred Ashes quest.  For the rest, I'm changing them to she was never recruited.  Let her go on about how she helped with the blight.  I'd like my inquisitor and the rest of the world to know that she was never any more than a raving lunatic with a divinity complex.

[myahele]

Morrigan did say the child is being raised as an "innocent"

My guess it that he's raised in an orphanage or maybe adopted. Either way he won't know about his heritage until something plot important happens.

When I think of it he seems to be a very cliched hero origin story, but thats another story.

[Willowhugger]

Morrigan did say the child is being raised as an "innocent"

My guess it that he's raised in an orphanage or maybe adopted. Either way he won't know about his heritage until something plot important happens.

When I think of it he seems to be a very cliched hero origin story, but thats another story.

 

Yeah, but they've said very clearly the OGB will never be the focus of a game or a major part of the lore too because that would punish players who didn't do the ritual.

[myahele]

^^

True, I doubt he'll have a major role in the game, but I do hope he'll have a role in spin off comic or books ala Alistair and Wynne.

[Br3admax]

Morrigan did say the child is being raised as an "innocent"

My guess it that he's raised in an orphanage or maybe adopted. Either way he won't know about his heritage until something plot important happens.

When I think of it he seems to be a very cliched hero origin story, but thats another story.

That's not what she said. She said that the child was innocent and that the Warden shouldn't endanger or threaten him because of her actions. Considering that Morrigan said she needs time and power to raise him, and the Warden can say that they want to meet him, and the fact that he's a year old a best, makes me doubt he was really being raised by anything except for Morrigan. I also doubt she'd give something like that up. 

[Hydwn]

Yeah, but they've said very clearly the OGB will never be the focus of a game or a major part of the lore too because that would punish players who didn't do the ritual.

 

That's what I read as well.

 

My own theory is that the OGB is a "Chekhov's Gun" - it's not there because it's significant on its own, but because the writers want you to know that such things are possible.  My best guess (and I'm a terrible guesser) is that there's another OGB running around (they never did figure out what Grey Warden killed the archdemon Toth).

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

My own theory is that the OGB is a "Chekhov's Gun" - it's not there because it's significant on its own, but because the writers want you to know that such things are possible.  My best guess (and I'm a terrible guesser) is that there's another OGB running around (they never did figure out what Grey Warden killed the archdemon Toth).

I'm pretty sure they know exactly which Warden it is: there's a set of three items in Origins that are supposed to be forged from the remnants of the blade that ended Toth, and unless the hilt-shard was either generic or otherwise unidentifiable it should follow from knowing which blade did it that they know which Warden did it.

[Magdalena11]

I'm sorry, an Ultra High-Dragon Boss fight? That's the best you can come up with? Why even assume that Morrigan's boy is going to be hostile. She said she wanted to preserve an ancient power. At worst the boy will be Morrigan's insurance policy against Flemeth. 

 

Also the implication that the kid is automatically evil means one religion is 'wrong' and the other is 'right'. This makes Thedas hell of a lot more boring and the writing for that story arc hell of a lot crappier.

I guess my point was that eventually, all the story lines are gong to have to merge back together.  Wrong, right good, evil.  I'm pretty sure it's all going to work out the same eventually.  I would like to see a few differences along the way, but I'm not all that optimistic on how earth-shattering they'll be.

[Arijharn]

They could retcon it's existence back in. Wouldn't be the first time a retcon has occured.

[Eveangaline]

They could retcon it's existence back in. Wouldn't be the first time a retcon has occured.

 

I kind of doubt they would, they've said before that the more games go on, the less likely they are to do anything with the OGB because a lot of the players will be people who started playing after DAO, and will therefor not really care at all about the warden or Morrigans baby existing. It's one of the reasons the default 'canon' warden is one who did the ultimate sacrifice, they don't want to bog down new players with old stuff from the games they don't care about.

[Meraxes]

It should matter since the child may be a half-dwarf. Making the half-dwarven OGB the same as the human OGB would be kind of lazy.

[Arijharn]

I kind of doubt they would, they've said before that the more games go on, the less likely they are to do anything with the OGB because a lot of the players will be people who started playing after DAO, and will therefor not really care at all about the warden or Morrigans baby existing. It's one of the reasons the default 'canon' warden is one who did the ultimate sacrifice, they don't want to bog down new players with old stuff from the games they don't care about.

 

Hmm. Perhaps. Personally I think the existence of the OGB would potentially enrich the universe's background/story far more than one without it.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

They could retcon it's existence back in. Wouldn't be the first time a retcon has occured.

They could, but they said they weren't going to.

[TK514]

I expect that, for the foreseeable future, the only effect we'll see regarding the OGB is how it is reflected in Morrigan.  If it exists, Morrigan will act one way, if a baby, but not the OGB, exists, she'll act another, and if no baby she'll act a third.

 

It's a way for the choice to matter without having the OGB himself be a presence that needs to be justified/reconciled.

[k3ttch]

I'd like to see a fight between grown-up versions of Meteor Baby and OGB. Although I think Meteor Baby has the misfortune of being vulnerable to magic in a world that's full of magic. 

[DinkyD]

I'm sorry, an Ultra High-Dragon Boss fight? That's the best you can come up with? Why even assume that Morrigan's boy is going to be hostile. She said she wanted to preserve an ancient power. At worst the boy will be Morrigan's insurance policy against Flemeth. 

 

Also the implication that the kid is automatically evil means one religion is 'wrong' and the other is 'right'. This makes Thedas hell of a lot more boring and the writing for that story arc hell of a lot crappier.

 

The child doesn't have to be hostile itself - but it could become corrupted, or the Tevinters may seek it out or .....loads of possibilities. It's existence could to lead to a range of negatives.

 

And even if it isn't "evil" that doesn't mean that the Chantry is good or right either, they could wrong too. Some might consider the existence of gods or similarly such powerful creatures is innately something to be avoided, as that means less autonomy for the weaker. At least the Maker seems to keep to himself!

 

Hm..A boss fight in which it'll be quickly dispatched by a plucky hero, or to do nothing but hold a balance of power in Morrigan's relationship with her mother. That's my point, if it's trivial then there's no reason to turn down the ritual.

 

If the OGB isn't some kind of threat, then the ritual borders on being a win/win situation and so where's the moral dilemma?

[Dayze]

Here's what we know; one of the Wardens could impregnate Morrigan or she shows up later impregnated by someone else.

 

Either way the child's a boy.

 

Sandal is an extremely powerful childlike entity who could probably be forced into whatever mold they need to if its a story-line that they feel "needs" to happen.

 

And on top of that; there's the "star boy" out there as well.

 

So depending on however they choose to go with it; there will probably be some difference in story and dialogue, companions etc....but the general flow will be the same.

[Eveangaline]

Here's what we know; one of the Wardens could impregnate Morrigan or she shows up later impregnated by someone else.

 

Either way the child's a boy.

 

Sandal is an extremely powerful childlike entity who could probably be forced into whatever mold they need to if its a story-line that they feel "needs" to happen.

 

And on top of that; there's the "star boy" out there as well.

 

So depending on however they choose to go with it; there will probably be some difference in story and dialogue, companions etc....but the general flow will be the same.

 

Uh..what? If you never sleep with morrigan or have someone do the ritual, she has no baby.