The underlined were city elves, and part of the point of what I was responding to and rebutting was a hatred of city elves.
I don't think the Dalish hate City Elves. I do think it's very likely they owe them about as much in their minds as Fereldans owe Orlesians.
They don't think of each other I think.
Because their religion is outlawed.
I thought I was arguing on your side?
Ah. Well the line before was saying there were examples of helping humans.
Then that is merely a grammatical error on my part.
Zevran.
Why didn't he stay with the Dalish?
He enjoyed being an Assassin.
Well yeah, just like Dalish Elves don't want to live in human cities.
the difference is that the dalish don't have anyone restricting their movement to cities
whereas we can see in Denerim that the Alienage can be locked
I thought I was arguing on your side?
I was expanding on it. Thanks though.
It's easy to misinterpret tone on the internet.
Zevran.
Why didn't he stay with the Dalish?
because he didn't like life with them
I'm sure the alienages will welcome the dalish with open arms, they'll be thrilled when they start taking homes and jobs away from the City Elves.
We've met 2, 3 if we count DAO:A, tolerant clans but it's the one in ME that's the standard for dalish clans everywhere?
And there are plenty of examples of the Dalish helping humans. Taking in Aveline, one of the Agents in Inquisition MP is a human raised by the Dalish, the Archer I think. They also rescued Aneirin, took in Lanaya from human bandits even made her the First, accepted Pol, and so on.
It is wrong to judge the entire Dalish for the actions of a few bad eggs when there are plenty of good examples of the Dalish as a culture being accepting of city elves or circle elves, and even examples them being benevolent and willing to help humans.
This is of course true, but a lot of them still seem arrogant even if they aren't racist, and they're are more examples of racism than their are compassion.
I don't think the Dalish hate City Elves. I do think it's very likely they owe them about as much in their minds as Fereldans owe Orlesians.
They don't think of each other I think.
They hold themselves separate, it's true, and in their own codex, for the most part, pity the city elves because they have forgotten so much.
Heck, that elven apprentice in the mage origin talks about this, saying elves in the cities don't know who they are.
the difference is that the dalish don't have anyone restricting their movement to cities
whereas we can see in Denerim that the Alienage can be locked
But elves aren't legally restricted into their quarters of the cities. At least in Ferelden. The codex says they can leave if they want.
My only criticism of either DAO or DA2 is that in DA2 we could not be an Elf. Given all the complaints about people have about both games I can overlook them all. BUT we should have been able to play as an Elf in DA2. Just lazy writing pure and simple. If Merrill hadn't have been in DA2 I think I may not have finished the game. Elves rule.
It wasn't lazy writing. It was the fact they only had a year to make the game.
But elves aren't legally restricted into their quarters of the city. At least in Ferelden. The codex says they can leave if they want.
they aren't legally restricted, but they are de facto restricted
They hold themselves separate, it's true, and in their own codex, for the most part, pity the city elves because they have forgotten so much.
Heck, that elven apprentice in the mage origin talks about this, saying elves in the cities don't know who they are.
Yeah, I think Fenris says that this is the bone of contention with elves who don't romanticize them.
The elves who don't think of the Dalish as saviors dislike how Dalish think of themselves as the "true elves."
While City Elves are just shadows of their former selves.
they aren't legally restricted, but they are de facto restricted
Doesn't Soris leave the alienage with his human wife?
My only criticism of either DAO or DA2 is that in DA2 we could not be an Elf. Given all the complaints about people have about both games I can overlook them all. BUT we should have been able to play as an Elf in DA2. Just lazy writing pure and simple. If Merrill hadn't have been in DA2 I think I may not have finished the game. Elves rule.
Have to disagree, it would have required a very different storyline depending on whether you were Elf or Human. And if you could be an Elf you should also have been able to be a Dwarf which would also have required huge changes.
With the very specific story told in Dragon age 2, I don't see it working as anything but human.
Have to disagree, it would have required a very different storyline depending on whether you were Elf or Human. And if you could be an Elf you should also have been able to be a Dwarf which would also have required huge changes.
With the very specific story told in Dragon age 2, I don't see it working as anything but human.
Yes, if you were an elf, it would literally be an entirely different story.
Doesn't Soris leave the alienage with his human wife?
like I said earlier, there are exceptions, but if city elves could leave alienages freely they wouldn't stay in them
It wasn't lazy writing. It was the fact they only had a year to make the game.
So? I'm a writer and can write 2-4 books a year and don't break a sweat. They just weren't creative enough to make it work.
but they don't in any great numbers, meaning they either don't want to or they can't
Based on the city elf origin, many city elves either think that the Dalish don't exist, or that they are savages. There are the few who believe they exist and find the Dalish life to be more appealing than the city life, and they tend to be the ones who join them. I assume that the reasoning behind the city elves not believing the Dalish existed or were peaceful would have to be based on what they have heard from humans, whom would be more likely to attack or be attacked by the Dalish.
This is of course true, but a lot of them still seem arrogant even if they aren't racist, and they're are more examples of racism than their are compassion.
Seems to be roughly equal. In Zathrian's clan, you had Zathrian as a racist, but Lanaya as a moderate, Athras was never rude no matter the race and was just happy to have some help with his wife....and they had Cammon.
The Sabrae Clan had Tamlen, who seemed to be pretty hardcore, and wanted to kill the humans at the beginning of the Dalish origin, and depending on how we play the Dalish, kills them, Merethari welcomed Duncan with open arms and no one in the clan, save perhaps the Warden him/herself, gave him any problems. And Merrill who romances my Hawke every playthrough.
There's a lot of self-righteousness among the Dalish, it's true, but you'll find a lot of that same self-righteousness in humans and dwarves too. Heck, the captain in Orzammar when you first enter pretty much insults you for being a surfacer and that's all there is to it.
From the wiki:
The Dalish elves and city elves in particular have a strange and bitter relationship, dating from the splitting of the People after the fall of the Dales. Some Dalish view their city brethren suspiciously and with pity as "flat-ears,"[17] culturally human elves who are no different "than their shemlen masters."[19] To some, they are seen as having given up on and forgotten their culture, and the hope is to teach these elves their past when a new homeland is founded.[20] Not all Dalish share this view of the city elves, however.
On the other hand, some city elves see the Dalish as near-myths: strange and savage "wood elves"[21] living far from humans and preying upon the unwary;[22] and yet somehow noble, as well.[23] To others, the Dalish are seen as "savages", primitive elves who refuse to see the promise of the alienage, and live off the land in ways the average city elf could not.[24] Indeed, city elves who choose to leave or live beyond the Alienage are labeled "flat-ears" as well by their city kin[17], ironically similar to how some Dalish view the Andrastian elves, and subject to violence or resentment from other city elves.
And yet, for all this uncertainty, city and Dalish elves still interact positively now and then. For Alienage elves who seek to leave their home due to desperation, poverty or abuse, wandering Dalish clans are often seen as a sort of "last resort" haven. They are normally willing to take in a refugee from the cities and to largely refrain from attacking a city elf on the road[25], despite their uncertainty, and train them in the ways of their Creators and culture.[26] Similarly, Alienages may take in a Dalish elf who has broken with their clan voluntarily or involuntarily.[27]
Elven mages tend to be grouped to the Dalish mindset along with city elves.[28] This is particularly the case as they have turned not only their lives but their magic over to the human Chantry andMaker, and the Circle of Magi, with the Circles being implied to have played a role in the fall of the Dales. [29]
like I said earlier, there are exceptions, but if city elves could leave alienages freely they wouldn't stay in them
Alienages as not something which humans have imposed on elves would make no damn sense, IMHO.
Have to disagree, it would have required a very different storyline depending on whether you were Elf or Human. And if you could be an Elf you should also have been able to be a Dwarf which would also have required huge changes.
With the very specific story told in Dragon age 2, I don't see it working as anything but human.
You have the cart before the horse. If they wanted to do it from the beginning it would have been easy to do, they just didn't want to put in the work.
Have to disagree, it would have required a very different storyline depending on whether you were Elf or Human. And if you could be an Elf you should also have been able to be a Dwarf which would also have required huge changes.
With the very specific story told in Dragon age 2, I don't see it working as anything but human.
I'd have loved to see all the nobles gritting their teeth and greeting their 'champion' who has a house in Hightown.
Also, an elf.
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