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[Steelcan]

So? I'm a writer and can write 2-4 books a year and don't break a sweat. They just weren't creative enough to make it work.

there's animations they'd have to do, re-writing lines about the main characters, etc...

[Ryzaki]

like I said earlier, there are exceptions, but if city elves could leave alienages freely they wouldn't stay in them

 

They grew up there, most of them can't afford to live in the wealthier parts of the city. I'm pretty sure it's not as simple as moving to a different part of the city because they want to.

 

That said we clearly see all elves are not forced to move into the alienage because Fenris skulks about in that manor for 6 years. They legally put it in his name.

[Br3admax]

like I said earlier, there are exceptions, but if city elves could leave alienages freely they wouldn't stay in them

Of course. Because life on the land and life as the Dalish are easier.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So? I'm a writer and can write 2-4 books a year and don't break a sweat. They just weren't creative enough to make it work.

There is a lot more to making a roleplaying game then there is writing a book. 

[AresKeith]

My only criticism of either DAO or DA2 is that in DA2 we could not be an Elf. Given all the complaints about people have about both games I can overlook them all. BUT we should have been able to play as an Elf in DA2. Just lazy writing pure and simple. If Merrill hadn't have been in DA2 I think I may not have finished the game. Elves rule.

 

How is it lazy writing for Developers to choose what kind of protagonist they want to use? 

[Steelcan]

Based on the city elf origin, many city elves either think that the Dalish don't exist, or that they are savages.  There are the few who believe they exist and find the Dalish life to be more appealing than the city life, and they tend to be the ones who join them.  I assume that the reasoning behind the city elves not believing the Dalish existed or were peaceful would have to be based on what they have heard from humans, whom would be more likely to attack or be attacked by the Dalish.

I doubt the idea that the dalish do not exist at all is very widespread

[dragonflight288]

Based on the city elf origin, many city elves either think that the Dalish don't exist, or that they are savages.  There are the few who believe they exist and find the Dalish life to be more appealing than the city life, and they tend to be the ones who join them.  I assume that the reasoning behind the city elves not believing the Dalish existed or were peaceful would have to be based on what they have heard from humans, whom would be more likely to attack or be attacked by the Dalish.

 

The Dalish as a whole don't seem keen on attacking human settlements or caravans, and largely keep to themselves. Except for possibly the humans who get too close to their camp, and we only see that with the Dalish Warden making the choice.

 

In DA2, the templars went picking a fight, but the Dalish mostly kept to themselves. 

[pengwin21]

So? I'm a writer and can write 2-4 books a year and don't break a sweat. They just weren't creative enough to make it work.

 

It's not just writing either, it's all the work with model rigging and making sure cutscenes work etc.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I honestly never saw really much racism in Zathrian. He's hateful and stubborn, but he seems to have transferred his anger for the death of his family into a blind hatred of one specific group of werewolves rather than humanity in general. I remember him being perfectly civil to my Human Noble.

[Steelcan]

They grew up there, most of them can't afford to live in the wealthier parts of the city. I'm pretty sure it's not as simple as moving to a different part of the city because they want to.

not necessarily in cities, but why don't they go out and found their own villages and towns if they have free movement out of the alienage

[dragonflight288]

Alienages as not something which humans have imposed on elves would make no damn sense, IMHO.

 

It was the Chantry who put them there, and then called it a kindness that the elves didn't suffer genocide. 

[Willowhugger]

The Dalish as a whole don't seem keen on attacking human settlements or caravans, and largely keep to themselves. Except for possibly the humans who get too close to their camp, and we only see that with the Dalish Warden making the choice.

 

In DA2, the templars went picking a fight, but the Dalish mostly kept to themselves. 

 

The Dalish attacking humans is mostly human racism. Remember Leliana thinks the Dalish kidnap human women even though that's the last thing they'd want.

[dragonflight288]

I honestly never saw really much racism in Zathrian. He's hateful and stubborn, but he seems to have transferred his anger for the death of his family into a blind hatred of one specific group of werewolves rather than humanity in general. I remember him being perfectly civil to my Human Noble.

 

He was willing to allow entire generations suffer for the sins of their fathers. 

 

Seems to be a returning trope in DA.

[Willowhugger]

It was the Chantry who put them there, and then called it a kindness that the elves didn't suffer genocide. 

 

Yeah, the Chantry is full of *******s.

[Steelcan]

I honestly never saw really much racism in Zathrian. He's hateful and stubborn, but he seems to have transferred his anger for the death of his family into a blind hatred of one specific group of werewolves rather than humanity in general. I remember him being perfectly civil to my Human Noble.

no, he's racist

 

He says that the descendents of those who committed the crimes "deserved" their curse.  He certainly views elves as superior

[Ryzaki]

not necessarily in cities, but why don't they go out and found their own villages and towns if they have free movement out of the alienage

 

Because that's not simple? Because living on the land is hard and there are poaching laws? Not to mention building said town in the first place. There would be douchecanoe humans who attacked them for the hell of it and they wouldn't even get the meager protections they can get from the city.

 

Fenris can legally own that mansion he's squatting in (Varric forges the papers). That'd be impossible if all elves had to live in the alienage.

[dragonflight288]

The Dalish attacking humans is mostly human racism. Remember Leliana thinks the Dalish kidnap human women even though that's the last thing they'd want.

 

Leliana is also the person who tells an elven warden about elvish slaves, er, servants in Orlais and has to be told point blank that elves are people as well. 

[Willowhugger]

not necessarily in cities, but why don't they go out and found their own villages and towns if they have free movement out of the alienage

 

I imagine most human lords aren't too keen on elvish towns or villages in their land.

Even the saintly Couslands had an Alienage.

[Ceoldoren]

So? I'm a writer and can write 2-4 books a year and don't break a sweat. They just weren't creative enough to make it work.

This is absolutely silly, writing the story wouldn't have been an issue, it's developing and executing it in-game, and making it all fit with the main storyline would of been near impossible.

[Steelcan]

The Dalish as a whole don't seem keen on attacking human settlements or caravans, and largely keep to themselves. Except for possibly the humans who get too close to their camp, and we only see that with the Dalish Warden making the choice.

 

In DA2, the templars went picking a fight, but the Dalish mostly kept to themselves. 

we also know some clans are little better than bandits who prey upon humans in Tevinter

 

and clans who summon forbidden ones

[Jedi Master of Orion]

no, he's racist

 

He says that the descendents of those who committed the crimes "deserved" their curse.  He certainly views elves as superior

 

Based on? He sounded to me like he was still talking about that group of werewolves. Especially since they aren't literally descendants of the tribe that murdered and raped his kids. It seemed like he was following a twisted logic of "this group of people are monsters for what they did so I cursed them with lycanthropy therefore these werewolves are all monsters"

[Ryzaki]

we also know some clans are little better than bandits who prey upon humans in Tevinter

 

and clans who summon forbidden ones

 

Well it's not like the bolded isn't deserved

[Willowhugger]

no, he's racist

 

He says that the descendents of those who committed the crimes "deserved" their curse.  He certainly views elves as superior

 

To be fair, I think he thinks THESE SPECIFIC HUMANS are monsters.

Zathrian despised them and their descendants.

Not necessarily all humans everywhere.

But I can understand if he did.

[AresKeith]

Dalish have jerks and saints. No different than anyone else in that regard. 

 

Pretty much

[Hanako Ikezawa]

and clans who summon forbidden ones

Why would anyone think that was a good idea? Especially the "All spirits are dangerous" Dalish?