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#351
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:blink:

 

You really missed my point in the first thing, as I never even mentioned Robin Hood or brought up the idea of it. 

 

And with Zathrian, that is a single man in a clan, who kept his entire clan in the dark for centuries. That is not the work of a clan, that is the work of a single man. 

 

Also, I find it hard to be especially angry with Zathrian.

Yes, he did something horrible under severe mitigating circumstances.



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Frankly, it's not much of an excuse for invading and destroying a nation either is it.

"I'm going to murder your nation because you didn't help in a war"

That's kind of Insane Troll Logic there.

 

Are you talking about the Dalish invading Red Crossing, kicking Orlais' butt and began moving to Val Reyeaux or the Chantry declaring an Exalted March on the Dalish and wiping out the Dales?



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And the Chantry....and the dwarves....and even to a limited extent the city elves in their view of the Dalish. 

The Chantry and the dwarves have the ability to back up their smug prickness though. Not the dalish.  Which is why I'm really annoyed they do it in the first place -_-

 

Reminds me of those itty bitty dogs that refuse to STFU.



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Also, I find it hard to be especially angry with Zathrian.

Yes, he did something horrible under severe mitigating circumstances.

 

And then punished all subsequent generations, seeing them just as guilty as their forefathers. 



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Are you talking about the Dalish invading Red Crossing, kicking Orlais' butt and began moving to Val Reyeaux or the Chantry declaring an Exalted March on the Dalish and wiping out the Dales?

 

The latter.



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if it wasn't a system imposed on them, why did they go into the alienages at first?  After the defeat of the Dales why did they go into the cities, the heart of human populations

Because they were told to submit or live the rest of your life without a home.
The chantry said to either be outlaws who must wander pining for your lost kingdom, or enter our slums and not advertise your elveness.



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The Chantry and the dwarves have the ability to back up their smug prickness though. Not the dalish.  Which is why I'm really annoyed they do it in the first place -_-

 

Reminds me of those itty bitty dogs that refuse to STFU.

 

Really? The Chantry is in pieces.  :P



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:blink:

 

You really missed my point in the first thing, as I never even mentioned Robin Hood or brought up the idea of it. 

 

And with Zathrian, that is a single man in a clan, who kept his entire clan in the dark for centuries. That is not the work of a clan, that is the work of a single man. 

You posited that Tevinter deserved to be at the mercy of brigands, people who will kill people for the crime of being on the road, I just wanted to make sure that when we talk about bandits we aren't talking about the Merry Men.

 

It still undermines the idea that the dalish who deal with demons and spirits are completely unique.  We also have Marethari dealing with demons



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The latter.

 

Ah. 



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The latter.

Then you are ignoring the former. The Exalted March was called after the Dales invaded Orlais. 



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Ah. Well if you just lost a war staying in your own community isn't that far fetched. Especially when there's more of a support structure and less expensive than living anywhere else in the city (and you have a much lower chance of some pricks burning your house down and everyone else acting like they don't know what happened).

they didn't stay in their own communities, they were dispersed



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And then punished all subsequent generations, seeing them just as guilty as their forefathers. 

 

Letting go of the curse would mean his death so dying for the children of your enemy is hard.

Also, the werewolves while cursed are also still living their lives.

It's just bad luck they decide NOW is the time to get cured.



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Really? The Chantry is in pieces.  :P

 

Let's wait til the end of DAI to see how in pieces the Chantry is ;)



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You posited that Tevinter deserved to be at the mercy of brigands, people who will kill people for the crime of being on the road, I just wanted to make sure that when we talk about bandits we aren't talking about the Merry Men.

 

It still undermines the idea that the dalish who deal with demons and spirits are completely unique.  We also have Marethari dealing with demons

 

So your argument is what? That because there are idiotic individuals in a culture, it is right to blame the whole culture?


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#365
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they didn't stay in their own communities, they were dispersed

 

You know what I meant -_-

 

If the choice is a place filled with elves or humans they'd pick the elves. Especially given the whole breeding with humans results in humans thing.



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Because they were told to submit or live the rest of your life without a home.
The chantry said to either be outlaws who must wander pining for your lost kingdom, or enter our slums and not advertise your elveness.

which is why I am inclined to say that city elves do not have the freedom of movement

 

thus they do not have the freedom to choose their lifestyle



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Then you are ignoring the former. The Exalted March was called after the Dales invaded Orlais. 

I admit the timeline is confusing me. I thought the Dales were destroyed because of their refusal to assist in the Second Blight and their heathen practicies.

The Dalish invasion just confuses matters.



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Because they were told to submit or live the rest of your life without a home.
The chantry said to either be outlaws who must wander pining for your lost kingdom, or enter our slums and not advertise your elveness.

Is that why every Alienage has a giant tree growing out of it? To deny them their "elven-ness?" 



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So your argument is what? That because there are idiotic individuals in a culture, it is right to blame the whole culture?

you are the one who said all of Tevinter deserved to be beset by bandits



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Then you are ignoring the former. The Exalted March was called after the Dales invaded Orlais. 

 

Which may have been provoked by Orlais and the Chantry in a manner similar to what Petrice did to the Arishok in DA2. 

 

It's also possible that the missionaries and then templars came from Red Crossing and provoked the Dalish, so they attacked Red Crossing in retaliaion, which provoked Orlais.

 

Or it may be possible that there were extremists on both sides pressuring things. 

 

There's a lot we don't know about that time period. But I highly doubt any one group is to blame. 


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Merrill flat out tells Anders "All spirits are dangerous." in DA2.

That's more in regards to the chantry belief that spirits are fine and demons are bad. All creatures of the beyond can be corrupted, to say this is shiny it's nice, this is firey it's bad is absurd. We watch the corruption of Justice from a 'benevolent' spirit in Awakening to Vengeance who blows up a chantry killing countless innocents.



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Frankly, it's not much of an excuse for invading and destroying a nation either is it.

"I'm going to murder your nation because you didn't help in a war"

That's kind of Insane Troll Logic there.

Except that war is the one for the fate of the world type in which if we fail the world will be fucked with a capital F. 



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I admit the timeline is confusing me. I thought the Dales were destroyed because of their refusal to assist in the Second Blight and their heathen practicies.

The Dalish invasion just confuses matters.

the Dales were destroyed as a result of the Exalted March.

 

The Exalted March was called after the elves attacked Orlesian territory following border tensions and possible chantry incursions

 

This stemmed from long standing hostility based on their lack of a shared faith in addition to elven isolationism during the blight


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Letting go of the curse would mean his death so dying for the children of your enemy is hard.

Also, the werewolves while cursed are also still living their lives.

It's just bad luck they decide NOW is the time to get cured.

Yes, those innocent people who were turned into monsters and couldn't return to their families and friends were 'still living their lives'.  <_<


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you are the one who said all of Tevinter deserved to be beset by bandits

 

I did say that Tevinter did deserve it, because I disagree with their entire culture of slavery and blood magic, just like I disagree with the qun, and they also deserve to have dissidents weakening them from within, at least to delay their inevitable invasion. 

 

Nowhere in my statement did I think I ever even implied that Robin Hood and his Merry Men were what I wanted or expected.