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Bah, it's only treason if she loses.

History is written by the victor! :P

Due to their tragic history, the Dalish tend to be a mopey lot... though I guess there was Fenris, but he was mopey in other ways anyway, so... Probably why I find Sera so refreshing, she’s got that playful diction and what looks like a slight temper but mostly carefree disposition. Nothing I’ve seen of her gives those “oh, you’re a Shem, you need to feel sorry for me” vibes I get so often with the Dalish.
 

I never got that from most of the Dalish, though they annoyed me for other reasons, especially in DA2.

I remember thinking "Threaten me one more g'damn time and I'll raze your entire stupid camp to the ground." on several occasions. Gods were the Dalish annoying in that game. Bunch of arrogant aggresive douchebags.

 

The only elves that had the "feel bad for me" vibe were the City Elves in DA:O, well, and the ones in the Kirkwall alienage.

I'm very curious how the DA:I elves will be. And my first or second Inquisitor will be an elf again, following in the footsteps of my elven Wardens.  :D



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I'm eager to play a Dalish Inquisitor... Dalish have not been shown at their best until now, usually defiant and agressive, despising the City elves, living in the past and flirting with demons in their quest for ancient powers... but I understand their behaviour, knowing their history and how they are chased by humans, never free to settle anywhere peacefully. And they are just people, some better than others...

They have qualities I would like them to show in DAI. A sense of beauty, the love of family, the respect of nature, minds opened to the things they don't fully understand like the Fade, curiosity... it's time for them to start figuring what a good future could be rather than living in the past, what good they can bring to the world with these qualities... they have to build a new culture on the ashes of the lost one. And maybe they will be able to do that if they earn enough respect and influence during DAI. A Dalish Inquisitor could change his view of the world by his involvment and relationships, and eventually change also the views of his people, at least some of them... enough to make a difference. Change won't come easily but it could be the start of it.

The City elves are different and may have to follow another path. If they save the day for the Orlesians during DAI, with a clever use of the eluvians, and then stand for their rights... things can turn well. After the civil war and all... Orlesians will NEED peasants and other workers if many people have died, and if they need the City elves, they will be more generous and respectful with them, since they won't be strong enough to enslave them anymore. It's a possibility, depending on the events and choices in the game, I think... we'll see !
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Sure ill show some elven support. After all we magisters need someone to clean up after our rituals and pour our tea ;)

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Sure ill show some elven support. After all we magisters need someone to clean up after our rituals and pour our tea ;)

Allow me to spruce it up with some deathroot, it'll do wonders for your disposition.


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A Dalish mage inquisitor. That seems to be so much fun!


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I'm a bit disappointed we can only play as Dalish Elf as I much prefer City Elves, but I guess compromises need to be made for the story. What I do like is that elf mage can now be Dalish, something I sorely missed in Origins. I plan on playing three elves (2 f and 1 m), one of each class who will romance Cullen, Solas and Dorian. I haven't entirely come up with their character concepts yet beyond basic personality and beliefs, but the mage elf will be my main world state and will romance Cullen. :) (I wanted to romance Cullen as Qunari, alas it wasn't to be so elf will have to do)



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Elves all the way. I confess I have my issues with Dalish culture, them being largely the Thedosian society I hate the least, but the good aspects are definitely good enough to be fought for.



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I'm a bit disappointed we can only play as Dalish Elf as I much prefer City Elves, but I guess compromises need to be made for the story. What I do like is that elf mage can now be Dalish, something I sorely missed in Origins. I plan on playing three elves (2 f and 1 m), one of each class who will romance Cullen, Solas and Dorian. I haven't entirely come up with their character concepts yet beyond basic personality and beliefs, but the mage elf will be my main world state and will romance Cullen.  :) (I wanted to romance Cullen as Qunari, alas it wasn't to be so elf will have to do)

My preference also goes to City Elves, but I can live with Dalish as long as the tattoos are not too obnoxious (like the recent screenshots seem to imply).

As for characters, I imagine a human and an elven male for starters (to romance Cassandra and Josephine), followed by an elven or human female for Sera.  ^_^

The other races and romances will be subject to how much I want to replay DA:I. (Next in line will be Cullen, with another female human or elf)



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My preference also goes to City Elves, but I can live with Dalish as long as the tattoos are not too obnoxious (like the recent screenshots seem to imply).

 

 

The male one barely had a tattoo (which I could see anyway cos the dev insists it's slightly visible if you look hard). If that makes it to the game, I'll be fine or at least a very faint one. I'm not too big on tattoos myself unless there's a particular one I really take a liking to.



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The male one barely had a tattoo (which I could see anyway cos the dev insists it's slightly visible if you look hard). If that makes it to the game, I'll be fine or at least a very faint one. I'm not too big on tattoos myself unless there's a particular one I really take a liking to.

Yeah, it's the male one that made me come back from "Bah, forced tattoos? Guess I'll be sticking with human" to "Hmm, this might work after all".

I gave my original human Warden a face tattoo on DA:O back in the day, and then got tired of the way it looked about halfway through the game.

Since then I've been very careful with them, so I don't wind up with an "eyesore" that I originally thought looked cool. >.>



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Yeah, it's the male one that made me come back from "Bah, forced tattoos? Guess I'll be sticking with human" to "Hmm, this might work after all".

I gave my original human Warden a face tattoo on DA:O back in the day, and then got tired of the way it looked about halfway through the game.

Since then I've been very careful with them, so I don't wind up with an "eyesore" that I originally thought looked cool. >.>

 

Heh I did the same with one of my Hawkes and hated the sight of it mid-game. Luckily, there was the emporium.



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The male one barely had a tattoo (which I could see anyway cos the dev insists it's slightly visible if you look hard). If that makes it to the game, I'll be fine or at least a very faint one. I'm not too big on tattoos myself unless there's a particular one I really take a liking to.

 

Wait, what are you talking about? Have new images been released? I'd like to know, it seems I'm always late to the party.



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Wait, what are you talking about? Have new images been released? I'd like to know, it seems I'm always late to the party.

 

http://forum.bioware...quisitor-looks/ one male and one female elf inquisitor. 



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http://forum.bioware...quisitor-looks/ one male and one female elf inquisitor. 

 

Thanks! Wow, they look gorgeous, and it seems there's more customization this time. Nice. The alien look from DA2 is out and for those who want it, it seems the Vallasllin can be made so light that it's barely noticeable.

 

I'm definitely playing a Dalish Mage in DA:I, even if there's no Keeper specialization. Poor First is probably going to start with a meager Arcane Bolt or something similar, just like the battle-hardened Qunari mercenary mage and the Circle mage with years of study behind them. Guess they were slow learners :P


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Thanks! Wow, they look gorgeous, and it seems there's more customization this time. Nice. The alien look from DA2 is out and for those who want it, it seems the Vallasllin can be made so light that it's barely noticeable.

 

I'm definitely playing a Dalish Mage in DA:I, even if there's no Keeper specialization. Poor First is probably going to start with a meager Arcane Bolt or something similar, just like the battle-hardened Qunari mercenary mage and the Circle mage with years of study behind them. Guess they were slow learners :P

 

Ah keeper spec. I really would have loved to have it in DAI, but it seems like it's not going to be as they have revealed the specializations and none seem to be keeper-related. It felt odd playing as a keeper in Origins tbh and made me really wish there was a Dalish Elf mage origin. It would have fit nicely in DAI.


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Heh I did the same with one of my Hawkes and hated the sight of it mid-game. Luckily, there was the emporium.

Then you can probably guess my initial reaction when I first saw the emporium in DA2 "OMG! I wish I had one of these when playing DA:O!"

Kinda hoping we'll get a similar option for DA:I.


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Ah keeper spec. I really would have loved to have it in DAI, but it seems like it's not going to be as they have revealed the specializations and none seem to be keeper-related. It felt odd playing as a keeper in Origins tbh and made me really wish there was a Dalish Elf mage origin. It would have fit nicely in DAI.

 

Strange, isn't it? Even more strange knowing that there will be a Keeper character in the multiplayer. I thought it may be connected to the companions teaching us the specailizations, but I'm not sure anymore. Still, I will enjoy the opportunity to play as a Dalish Mage if only because I couldn't in DA:I (as you can guess, I'm also interested in playing Qunari).

 

Now, if only I could know more about decorations in Skyhold and mounts... I read that there's at least some Dalish decoration, but will we have halla? I've seen the vaguely Mononoke-esque Red Hart DLC in the deluxe edition, but it seems it isn't really a halla.

 

Then you can probably guess my initial reaction when I first saw the emporium in DA2 "OMG! I wish I had one of these when playing DA:O!"

Kinda hoping we'll get a similar option for DA:I.

 

That too. It was an excellent thing to have in DA2.


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I'm glad I'm not the only one, I looked at it as Darkspawn fighting each other as he experiments, if he suceeds no more Blights, if he fails and starts another Blight we don't have all the nations doubting it's going on like can frequently happen with Night Watch, Grey Wrden/ Watch-and-Wait groups.

 

One of his earlier experiments was to taint everything on the surface as a way to end blights. This is all in the Calling. 

 

I don't doubt his goals, but I doubt his judgement. 



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Ah it seems this thread is doing some good after all  :) I see there's plenty of people talking about their elven inquisitors.

 

Keep up the good job people! have fun.



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I really hope they have left the 'barefoot elves' thing behind. It's ugly and impractical.

 

According to Gaider, that was an issue with the artists that the writers didn't agree with, which is likely why Merrill and Fenris make snarky remarks about not wearing shoes now and again.



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Ah it seems this thread is doing some good after all  :) I see there's plenty of people talking about their elven inquisitors. Keep up the good job people! have fun.

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Now, if only I could know more about decorations in Skyhold and mounts... I read that there's at least some Dalish decoration, but will we have halla? I've seen the vaguely Mononoke-esque Red Hart DLC in the deluxe edition, but it seems it isn't really a halla.

 

A halla pen at Skyhold?  o_O  I hadn't thought of that...  I don't see the harm in dedicating a small plot of land to raising a few, so long as the humans don't attempt to ride them.  xD


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told you my friend positivity prevails

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I'm eager to play a Dalish Inquisitor... Dalish have not been shown at their best until now, usually defiant and agressive, despising the City elves, living in the past and flirting with demons in their quest for ancient powers... but I understand their behaviour, knowing their history and how they are chased by humans, never free to settle anywhere peacefully. And they are just people, some better than others...

 

Well, the Dalish are usually wary of outsiders because outsiders are usually a threat to them. When human lords or lynch mobs drive you off the land, when Andrastians threaten you to convert, and when templars pursue your mages, you're not likely to trust that an outsider approaching your clan is going to be an ally; the Warden and Hawke are the exception, not the rule.

 

As for the view on city elves, that's a view held by some, just like some city elves view the Dalish as "savages", and think that any elves who leave the Alienage are tossing aside everything that makes them elven, thereby being "flat ears". According to hahren Sarethia of the Highever Alienage, "Here, we're among family. We look out for each other. Here, we do what we can to remember the old ways. The flat-ears who have gone out there, they're stuck. They'll never be human, and they've gone and thrown away being elven, too. So where does that leave them? Nowhere."

 

In regards to spirits, the Dalish traditionally don't deal with spirits or use magic that involves spirits. According to WoT, "Unlike other spellcasters, Dalish mages do not use any magic involving spirits, as they believe all spirits are dangerous." (page 104)

 

They have qualities I would like them to show in DAI. A sense of beauty, the love of family, the respect of nature, minds opened to the things they don't fully understand like the Fade, curiosity... it's time for them to start figuring what a good future could be rather than living in the past, what good they can bring to the world with these qualities... they have to build a new culture on the ashes of the lost one. And maybe they will be able to do that if they earn enough respect and influence during DAI. A Dalish Inquisitor could change his view of the world by his involvment and relationships, and eventually change also the views of his people, at least some of them... enough to make a difference. Change won't come easily but it could be the start of it.

 

How are the Dalish supposed to build towards a future when their religion and culture make them criminals in Andrastian lands? I've never understood this criticism of the Dalish. Their lifestyle is a matter of survival; they are nomadic because they are pursued, including by templars, as Merrill explicitly points out to Hawke. Unless an elven homeland is a viable option for the Dalish in Inquisition, they can only continue their nomadic lifestyle because they refuse to surrender who they are. Hopefully, helping the Dalish gain a homeland of their own is a possibility.

 

As for their view on spirits and the Beyond, it isn't ignorance; the Dalish simply see spirits as dangerous, which is proven to be true with the Spirit of Valor and Justice, who can both be dangerous to the protagonist without either one being malevolent or 'evil'. It's a stark contrast to the Andrastian view of Spirits and Demons. Merrill and Anders also have several religious debates about the dichotomy between how the Dalish view them all as spirits who are all dangerous, while Anders says that they are divided into Spirits and Demons, the First Children of the Maker and those who turned their backs on the Maker to embody different "sins". In one argument between the two characters, Anders argues, "Maybe you don't really understand the difference between spirits and demons. [...] Spirits were the first children of the Maker, but He turned his back on them to dote on His mortal creations. The ones who resented this became demons, driven to take everything mortals had and gain back the Maker's favor."

 

Merrill and WoT echo the same elven classification for spirts, as noted when Merrill says: As Merrill says, "Anders... there's no such thing as a good spirit. There never was. All spirits are dangerous. I understood that. I'm sorry that you didn't."

 

The City elves are different and may have to follow another path. If they save the day for the Orlesians during DAI, with a clever use of the eluvians, and then stand for their rights... things can turn well. After the civil war and all... Orlesians will NEED peasants and other workers if many people have died, and if they need the City elves, they will be more generous and respectful with them, since they won't be strong enough to enslave them anymore. It's a possibility, depending on the events and choices in the game, I think... we'll see !

 

The Dalish helping stop the Fifth Blight lead to gratitude from humans in Ferelden, but only for a short period of time. I'd rather see Briala's pan-elven movement of Andrastian and Dalish elves help emancipate the Orlesian elves from their constraints of servitude.


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