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[Steelcan]

have we actually met a dalish clan that doesn't use magic with spirits or demons?

[Master Race]

I'll be honest and say i find elves in Dragon Age to be utterly pathetic. However i do root for them and i hope they manage to get their own country once more. I would be a fan of a powerful, radicalized elven kingdom/republic in the future of Dragon Age that perhaps turn into conquerors like the qunari. Maybe even a weird Qunari+free Elven alliance against the humans.

[Steelcan]

Qunari+free Elven alliance against the humans.

absolutely impossible

 

the Qunari will always demand the conversion of the Bas

[Icy Magebane]

absolutely impossible

 

the Qunari will always demand the conversion of the Bas

Even in a temporary alliance, I don't see the Qunari tolerating uncollared saarebas mingling freely among their soldiers and potentially spreading chaos.

[Steelcan]

Even in a temporary alliance, I don't see the Qunari tolerating uncollared saarebas mingling freely among their soldiers and potentially spreading chaos.

or female fighters

[LobselVith8]

I'll be honest and say i find elves in Dragon Age to be utterly pathetic. However i do root for them and i hope they manage to get their own country once more. I would be a fan of a powerful, radicalized elven kingdom/republic in the future of Dragon Age that perhaps turn into conquerors like the qunari. Maybe even a weird Qunari+free Elven alliance against the humans.

 

I don't think the Andrastian or Dalish elves would ally with the Qunari; they don't want the same thing. I'd also rather not see the elves become antagonists for wanting self-governance in their own kingdom, instead of living under human rule where they are subject to a number of abuses and horrors, including the chevalier rite of initiation and the purges that kill elves en mass (as we saw in the Denerim Alienage with the massacre of the orphanage).

[Icy Magebane]

or female fighters

No, that would be unthinkable unless it specifically satisfied a demand of the Qun.  The Qunari would accept such allies, nor would they need them.  At best, the Qunari probably see them as a useful distraction that keeps the humans from being able to fully focus on the North.  I don't think they'd want to actually work with non-Qunari elves, however...

 

On the other hand, I doubt that non-Qunari elves would be naive enough to seek such an alliance in the first place.  Working with the Qunari for any length of time will yield negative results unless you plan to follow their rules.

[Steelcan]

No, that would be unthinkable.  The Qunari would accept such allies, nor would they need them.  At best, the Qunari probably see them as a useful distraction that keeps the humans from being able to fully focus on the North.  I don't think they'd want to actually work with non-Qunari elves, however...

and beyond such a distraction, what do the elves really have to offer them?

 

We know the qunari are holding back their strength, well at least according to Fenris.  They probably don't see the need in helping elves win independence, ony for them to have to march in and convert them

[Mistic]

A halla pen at Skyhold?  o_O  I hadn't thought of that...  I don't see the harm in dedicating a small plot of land to raising a few, so long as the humans don't attempt to ride them.  xD

 

Since it seems we're getting some sort of mutant battle nug as a mount, I'd like to have a halla too. Before we knew horses even existed in Thedas, a player could meet the halla firsthand. They're emblematic.

 

How are the Dalish supposed to build towards a future when their religion and culture make them criminals in Andrastian lands? I've never understood this criticism of the Dalish. Their lifestyle is a matter of survival; they are nomadic because they are pursued, including by templars, as Merrill explicitly points out to Hawke. Unless an elven homeland is a viable option for the Dalish in Inquisition, they can only continue their nomadic lifestyle because they refuse to surrender who they are. Hopefully, helping the Dalish gain a homeland of their own is a possibility.

 

It's an interesting question, although maybe not with the consequences you're thinking of. What if the Dalish could get most of what they want BUT only if they compromise one of their most important characteristics? Religion? The dream of an elven land? Control of their own mages? There are more possibilities too.

 

It's something seen in real life. And in Thedas too. Because let's be honest, no organization in Thedas has existed without some compromise. The initial Grey Wardens allowed elves to join with equal rights in exchange of ancient magic secrets. Tevinter endured after converting to Andrastianism. The Inquisition and the Chantry signed the Nevarran Accord. The Qunari Wars ended with the Llomerryn Accords. What would the Dalish be willing to compromise?

[Icy Magebane]

It's an interesting question, although maybe not with the consequences you're thinking of. What if the Dalish could get most of what they want BUT only if they compromise one of their most important characteristics? Religion? The dream of an elven land? Control of their own mages? There are more possibilities too.

 

It's something seen in real life. And in Thedas too. Because let's be honest, no organization in Thedas has existed without some compromise. The initial Grey Wardens allowed elves to join with equal rights in exchange of ancient magic secrets. Tevinter endured after converting to Andrastianism. The Inquisition and the Chantry signed the Nevarran Accord. The Qunari Wars ended with the Llomerryn Accords. What would the Dalish be willing to compromise?

That is indeed an interesting question.  If the Dalish are granted land by an existing nation, then there will most likely be some kind of conditions attached.  Possibly even including direct oversight from human authorities, which would basically mean a large reservation and not a true, autonomous homeland.  If they manage to win their homeland through war, then obviously they would be able to dictate their own culture... if the Chantry remains in power, however, they would probably be forced to sign some kind of peace treaty to avoid being hit by an immediate Exalted March.  If the elves migrate far away and find some unsettled land, however, all bets are off.  The humans might follow them eventually, but I doubt it... they'd probably be happy to be rid of the elves finally.  So IMO there are a few ways this could go, but it would depend on how this homeland came into being.

[Mistic]

That is indeed an interesting question.  If the Dalish are granted land by an existing nation, then there will most likely be some kind of conditions attached.  Possibly even including direct oversight from human authorities, which would basically mean a large reservation and not a true, autonomous homeland.  If they manage to win their homeland through war, then obviously they would be able to dictate their own culture... if the Chantry remains in power, however, they would probably be forced to sign some kind of peace treaty to avoid being hit by an immediate Exalted March.  If the elves migrate far away and find some unsettled land, however, all bets are off.  The humans might follow them eventually, but I doubt it... they'd probably be happy to be rid of the elves finally.  So IMO there are a few ways this could go, but it would depend on how this homeland came into being.

 

That is true. Thedosian societies love their diplomacy, or so it seems. In 9:20, for example, Ferelden and Orlais officially made peace (Celene becoming empress had a lot to do with that), 17 years after the actual combats ended. A different Orlesian ruler (Gaspard was a candidate back then too) may have chosen to continue the fight despite the previous defeat. Military victories are, by their own nature, temporary. If the countries that surround you don't accept it, you're screwed unless you have the ability to survive everything they can throw at you.

 

(Ok, Tevinter has that ability, but the Imperium is the Imperium after all).

 

Despite any power fantasies we players might have, several times it has been stated that the Inquisition will sign accords with other countries and organizations, so it won't be a "I'm ubber-powerful, invincible, too awesome, and have a green glowing hand, so Lelouch vi Britannia the Inquisitor commands you: obey me, subjects!" trip.

[Icy Magebane]

Despite any power fantasies we players might have, several times it has been stated that the Inquisition will sign accords with other countries and organizations, so it won't be a "I'm ubber-powerful, invincible, too awesome, and have a green glowing hand, so Lelouch vi Britannia the Inquisitor commands you: obey me, subjects!" trip.

Yeah, I've always been skeptical about that part...  no matter how useful the Inquisitor may seem during the Fade Crisis, once it's over, they're just another mortal leading a group of soldiers.  I don't see them being able to stand against the united armies of Thedas if they attempt to radically enforce their will on sovereign nations.  Heck, even most of the soldiers within the Inquisition would probably oppose some of the more extreme plans people have brought up.  I guess they won't be convinced until they play the game.

[LobselVith8]

Yeah, I've always been skeptical about that part...  no matter how useful the Inquisitor may seem during the Fade Crisis, once it's over, they're just another mortal leading a group of soldiers.  I don't see them being able to stand against the united armies of Thedas if they attempt to radically enforce their will on sovereign nations.  Heck, even most of the soldiers within the Inquisition would probably oppose some of the more extreme plans people have brought up.  I guess they won't be convinced until they play the game.

 

If you're talking about an independent Dales, some have addressed it as a possibility due to a number of factors, like TME addressing that the elves are the majority of the inhabitants in the Dales, Asunder reading how humans are leaving the Dales en mass, TME bringing up the idea of an autonomous Dales, the mention of an elven rebellion, Briala's plans to free the elves, and the inclusion of an elven Inquisitor. Again, it's just a possibility that some people have entertained. Not everyone is interested in helping save the status quo, after all.

[Meraxes]

Am I the only one who thinks the vallaslin we've seen are a bit too small?

 

I know a lot of people didn't like them, but I loved the large, intricate vallaslin in da:o and I hope we'll at least get the option to have something like that instead.

[LobselVith8]

Am I the only one who thinks the vallaslin we've seen are a bit too small?

 

I know a lot of people didn't like them, but I loved the large, intricate vallaslin in da:o and I hope we'll at least get the option to have something like that instead.

 

I really don't like the new vallaslin we've seen so far; the recent one that was obscured from view seemed rather pointless. I get the feeling the new designs are meant to appease people who don't like vallaslin in general, given how small they are, and how they can be placed almost out of view. I much preferred the original vallaslin.

[Mistic]

Am I the only one who thinks the vallaslin we've seen are a bit too small?

 

I know a lot of people didn't like them, but I loved the large, intricate vallaslin in da:o and I hope we'll at least get the option to have something like that instead.

 

The elf who appeared in the Enemy of Thedas trailer had a large tattoo, so I'm not very worried about it. The problem will be now that theories about which god was linked to which tattoo will have to be redone.

[Icy Magebane]

If you're talking about an independent Dales, some have addressed it as a possibility due to a number of factors, like TME addressing that the elves are the majority of the inhabitants in the Dales, Asunder reading how humans are leaving the Dales en mass, TME bringing up the idea of an autonomous Dales, the mention of an elven rebellion, Briala's plans to free the elves, and the inclusion of an elven Inquisitor. Again, it's just a possibility that some people have entertained. Not everyone is interested in helping save the status quo, after all.

No, that doesn't sound as extreme as some of the things I've heard.  I was mainly thinking of things like the Inquisition replacing the Chantry or dictating policy to nations regardless of what their rulers, populations, and armies want.  There are also many players who want to be able to carry out massacres against civilians and justify it by saying that the Inquisitor's glowing hand makes them irreplaceable.  The Dales gaining independence isn't that much of a stretch by comparison, since the wheels already seem to be in motion.  So long as the Inquisition is merely supporting the Dalish or some unified elven faction rather than leading the charge, I can see it working well enough... if the Inquisition makes any attempt to overthrow governments in favor of uplifting a marginalized and oppressed people, however, I don't see it ending well for them.

[Icy Magebane]

edit: quoted the wrong person... o.O

Am I the only one who thinks the vallaslin we've seen are a bit too small?

 

I know a lot of people didn't like them, but I loved the large, intricate vallaslin in da:o and I hope we'll at least get the option to have something like that instead.

My mind won't be at ease until I see at least one example of a larger, DA:O-style vallaslin design.  Right now I fear that they have been totally replaced by these smaller, inconspicuous versions.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

 

 

The elf who appeared in the Enemy of Thedas trailer had a large tattoo, so I'm not very worried about it. The problem will be now that theories about which god was linked to which tattoo will have to be redone.

 

 

I'm pretty sure there's way more Vallaslin designs than there are Creators, so they don't all represent an elven god.

[Mistic]

I'm pretty sure there's way more Vallaslin designs than there are Creators, so they don't all represent an elven god.

 

More designs than gods doesn't mean more meanings than gods. After all, different designs could represent a given god. Didn't the Dalish tattoos in DA:O have at least two designs for each basic pattern? One larger than the other?

 

But it's fan theory so far. The only source of information I can remember about tattoos representing gods or goddesses comes from the Dalish codex written by Genitivi. The Dalish hunter he met claimed that his tattoos represented Andruil.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

More designs than gods doesn't mean more meanings than gods. After all, different designs could represent a given god. Didn't the Dalish tattoos in DA:O have at least two designs for each basic pattern? One larger than the other?

 

But it's fan theory so far. The only source of information I can remember about tattoos representing gods or goddesses comes from the Dalish codex written by Genitivi. The Dalish hunter he met claimed that his tattoos represented Andruil.

 

Yeah but one was just an expanded version of another. Since they added different designs in Dragon Age 2 and now in Inquisition, I just figured there were enough of them that they could represent their gods but also any number of other things to the Dalish.

[Icy Magebane]

Yeah but one was just an expanded version of another. Since they added different designs in Dragon Age 2 and now in Inquisition, I just figured there were enough of them that they could represent gods but also any number of things to the Dalish.

No, they specifically state that the ancient elves "emblazoned the symbols of the Creators" on their faces when they became the Dalish.  They only represent the Creators, not random aspects of their culture.  At least, that has been true up until now.

 

edit:  I'm trying to recall who I mean by "they."  I think it was a quote from Sarel during his telling of the Fall of the Dales?

[Gervaise]

I notice one of the posts above mentioned the original Grey Wardens allowing elves to join with equal status in exchange for secrets of ancient elven magic.   Where did that come from?   Is it another World of Thedas thing?   You see it seems a bit odd, because the wardens were set up during ancient Tevinter when elves were slaves and lost their culture, so what ancient secrets were they getting?

[LobselVith8]

I notice one of the posts above mentioned the original Grey Wardens allowing elves to join with equal status in exchange for secrets of ancient elven magic.   Where did that come from?   Is it another World of Thedas thing?   You see it seems a bit odd, because the wardens were set up during ancient Tevinter when elves were slaves and lost their culture, so what ancient secrets were they getting?

 

It's from the Dragon Age tabletop RPG (Game Master's Guide), where the origin of the Joining was mentioned. Apparently, elven slaves of the Imperium contributed their magical knowledge from Arlathan into the process in exchange for being treated as equals within the order, and the elves had the intention of freeing their people from slavery after the First Blight was dealt with.

[Reznore57]

edit: quoted the wrong person... o.O

My mind won't be at ease until I see at least one example of a larger, DA:O-style vallaslin design.  Right now I fear that they have been totally replaced by these smaller, inconspicuous versions.

 

It's on a npc but I guess this is a vallaslin :

 

Spoiler

  

 

I like this one , it's big enough for me and I think the design is prettier than the DAO ones.

I hope it's available for the Inquisitor .