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[Lulupab]

Yep, Elves helped the inventing of the ritual which allowed drinking dark spawn blood and becoming grey warden. If you simply dine on it you will become like Ruck from deep roads quest of DAO. In return they wanted to be treated like equals if they joined the wardens which is still true.

[Icy Magebane]

It's on a npc but I guess this is a vallaslin :

 

Spoiler

  

 

I like this one , it's big enough for me and I think the design is prettier than the DAO ones.

I hope it's available for the Inquisitor .

Now that's more like it.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Since there was a rapid-fire conversation going on at the time, my post got buried, so...

I'm an elf supporter, although tbh, half-elf was my favorite race. Sadly, they don't exist in Thedas (somehow, elf + human = human?), so city elf is the next best thing.

[Willowhugger]

It's interesting that elvish culture and elvish race are so intertwined.

 

Are pointed ears really so important.

If elves and humans interbred and produced humans, yet these humans were elvish in culture, would so much be lost?

Fun Fantasy question that.

[Icy Magebane]

Since there was a rapid-fire conversation going on at the time, my post got buried, so...
 

Why don't you just headcanon your human Inquisitor to be elf-blooded?

[Willowhugger]

Why don't you just headcanon your human Inquisitor to be elf-blooded?

 

My headcanon was Malcolm Hawke was Elf-blooded.

[Felya87]

Since there was a rapid-fire conversation going on at the time, my post got buried, so...
 

 

I agree with your previous post. I love the elves in DA, but I have a soft spot for city elves, ince for they have the "role" of the half elves in NWN. (my preferred kind of character)

[Willowhugger]

I agree with your previous post. I love the elves in DA, but I have a soft spot for city elves, ince for they have the "role" of the half elves in NWN. (my preferred kind of character)

 

I dunno, I actually like the one in DA2.

 

No, he's "ethnically" human but he's a half-elf in every way that matters.

[LobselVith8]

It's interesting that elvish culture and elvish race are so intertwined.

 

Are pointed ears really so important.

If elves and humans interbred and produced humans, yet these humans were elvish in culture, would so much be lost?

Fun Fantasy question that.

 

Elves are an entirely different species than humans are, and ears only comprise a certain facet of the differences between humans and elves (as illustrated by the way the network of the Eluvians treated elves who entered the realm, in contrast to humans). The absence of an entire species would certainly be quite the loss.

[Willowhugger]

Eluvians aside, I was more asking what made an elf an elf.

[Felya87]

I dunno, I actually like the one in DA2.

 

No, he's "ethnically" human but he's a half-elf in every way that matters.

 

I quite like the half breed too, and If there was that kind of background for a human character, I would have liked it, and it may have make me play with a human (I have played as a human only in DA2, for obvious reasons). But CE give me the feeling of NWN half elves. they seems elven, so Humans dilike them. but culturally are more human than elves, so the Dalish reject them. Is that being "between" the two worlds that have me hooked and remind me of the half elves. a little weird, I know.

[Icy Magebane]

Eluvians aside, I was more asking what made an elf an elf.

They don't share the same genetics as humans... that's like asking what makes a human different from a qunari.  The answer seems self-evident simply by looking at the races.  Only dwarves have a truly unique magic resistance and lack of connection to the Fade.  That doesn't mean that human, elf, and qunari are interchangeable.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Why don't you just headcanon your human Inquisitor to be elf-blooded?

The pointy ears are important for me. If my half-elf looks like a human, it kind of ruins the point, in my opinion.

[Steelcan]

the biological definition of species is two spereate entities that cannot interbreed succesfully, and even if they do, the offspring is fertile.

[Icy Magebane]

the biological definition of species is two spereate entities that cannot interbreed succesfully, and even if they do, the offspring is fertile.

Yeah, but according to Gaider, the elves and humans producing humans is the result of magic, not genetics... so the rules that govern such things in the real world were tossed out the window long ago.

[Steelcan]

Yeah, but according to Gaider, the elves and humans producing humans is the result of magic, not genetics... so the rules that govern such things in the real world were tossed out the window long ago.

I thought that only applied to the offspring being wholly human

[Icy Magebane]

I thought that only applied to the offspring being wholly human

If the results of breeding are influenced my magic, and the elves have been described in the past as a "magical" race, then I'm not sure how much hard science applies to this situation.  The moment magic is used to explain anything, we have to stop and question just how far its influence goes... since it's Gaider's world, I'll just wait for him to tell us.

 

Speaking of which, dwarves are intrinsically different from the other races due to their disconnection from the Fade.  Have we ever heard of an actual half-dwarf?  Aside from speculation about Sandal... is such a thing possible?  Do we even know that all of these races share the same brain structure and internal organs?

[Mistic]

It's interesting that elvish culture and elvish race are so intertwined.

 

Are pointed ears really so important.

If elves and humans interbred and produced humans, yet these humans were elvish in culture, would so much be lost?

Fun Fantasy question that.

 

Interesting question, I agree. What is more important, the race or the culture?

 

It reminds me of the Mandalorians in Star Wars. They began as the alien race Taung from planet Coruscant, until they were kicked out by the humans. Then they colonized the world Mandalore and started the actual Mandalorian civilization. In the end, after several bloody wars, the Taung species died out, but the Mandalorian culture persisted and was embraced by many different races in the galaxy.

 

Personally, I believe in individuals, not in species. If for whatever reason every young elf in the world decided to marry a human of their own volition, I would support them.

 

Of course, at this moment it doesn't matter much since the elves are a minority, but not a dying race. There are more than enough elves to keep the pointy ears going on. The dwarves have it worse, in fact.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Bodahn says that he's with a woman in Denerim (I think he said "married", but I don't remember), and "She'd give me a child if she could, but alas..."

I don't suppose half-dwarves are a thing in Thedas.

[HiroVoid]

Bodahn says that he's with a woman in Denerim (I think he said "married", but I don't remember), and "She'd give me a child if she could, but alas..."

I don't suppose half-dwarves are a thing in Thedas.

They can, but the fertility rate of dwarves in general is pretty bad if I remember right.  Its probably worse with crossbreeding.  A half-dwarf though is essentially just seen as either a short human or tall dwarf.

[Patchwork]

It would be nice if there was a way to reverse the genetic magic/curse on elves. Even if all it did was allow elf/non elf offspring to keep some elven features. Maybe the eluvians can be more more than teleportation devices. 

 

The dwarves seem a more natural ally for the elves. If they offer to help fight in the Deep Roads in exchange for a an abandoned thiage for example the elves would have a homebase free of human rule, albeit a fixer upper, while dwarves get mages and outside help fighting a problem that the surface doesn't care about until a Blight.  

[Icy Magebane]

They can, but the fertility rate of dwarves in general is pretty bad if I remember right.  Its probably worse with crossbreeding.  A half-dwarf though is essentially just seen as either a short human or tall dwarf.

Well it would have to be a short human if it can enter the Fade in dreams... at least, that's how I'd classify it.

 

Although, an elf-blooded dwarf would still have no connection to the Fade, and thus it would be the same as any other dwarf, assuming such a thing is even possible.  I'm not even sure if there's any point in the "elf-blooded" classification if the result is 100% of the other species...

[Master Warder Z_]

Elves are an entirely different species than humans are

 

Basic understanding of genetics disprove this notion.

 

Unless if a dev has said otherwise?

 

It appears all races in Thedas more or less descend from the same stock.

 

Sure, Sure the fact they can "breed" together may be some sort of nifty in universe magic, but that doesn't change the fact dwarves are short humans, Elves are lithe and pointy earred humans who excel at poverty and Qunari are...well i guess a farmer got an itch one day.

[RobRam10]

The storm is beginning. huehueheu

[Daerog]

Saying that the races come from the same stock due to genetics is kinda thrown out the window when elf genetics are overwritten by any other species.

 

I think someone said it has to do with magic or something, though. The original elves could have once been residents of the spiritual realm before the Veil was formed, and took on physical bodies because they were stuck on this side. This would account for their "adaptability" and their affinity for magic.... I think....

 

Anyway, hurrah hurrah for the underdog go go go and all that stuff.