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[The Ascendant]

Make sense, traitors are an extremely useful asset in any war. They may have taught them elven magics, plans and other information in return for a place in the Imperium. Especially the underclass subservient to the sominiari. Then of course the Tevinters double cross them.

[raging_monkey]

Make sense, traitors are an extremely useful asset in any war. They may have taught them elven magics, plans and other information in return for a place in the Imperium. Especially the underclass subservient to the sominiari. Then of course the Tevinters double cross them.

or they kept their bargain and through breeding (elves are more magically potent... and attractive) created x elfblooded dynasties. Just a thought

[Gervaise]

I definitely think the destruction of Arlathan could have been an inside job.    There is clear evidence that elves and humans lived together at one time.   The Dalish claim the humans were subservient but other texts have said that it was the elves who first taught magic to the humans and you don't usually do that to servants.   Just as there are different nations and factions of humans, there were probably different groups of elves and possibly a blood feud between them.   Then the ones who assisted Tevinter indulged in mixed race marriages and the resulting elf blooded children were simply absorbed into the mix.   

 

Having traitors could also account for why they were largely able to track down and enslave the majority other elves and why those that did escape kept a very low profile for the next hundreds of years    I think there have been enough hints that there is in fact another faction of elves in Thedas, the descendants of those who neither worked with Tevinter or were ever enslaved, probably hiding out somewhere deep in the southern Dales or some high valley in the Frostbacks.

[raging_monkey]

So im not the only crazy one who also thinks thinks this yay

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I definitely think the destruction of Arlathan could have been an inside job.    There is clear evidence that elves and humans lived together at one time.   The Dalish claim the humans were subservient but other texts have said that it was the elves who first taught magic to the humans and you don't usually do that to servants.   Just as there are different nations and factions of humans, there were probably different groups of elves and possibly a blood feud between them.   Then the ones who assisted Tevinter indulged in mixed race marriages and the resulting elf blooded children were simply absorbed into the mix.   

 

Having traitors could also account for why they were largely able to track down and enslave the majority other elves and why those that did escape kept a very low profile for the next hundreds of years    I think there have been enough hints that there is in fact another faction of elves in Thedas, the descendants of those who neither worked with Tevinter or were ever enslaved, probably hiding out somewhere deep in the southern Dales or some high valley in the Frostbacks.

 

Uh the Dalish don't claim that humans were servants to the ancient elves, they claim that the ancient elves isolated themselves from humans entirely.

[Gervaise]

Sorry, my bad.    The Dalish said the elves viewed the humans as vermin, rather like the humans do the city elves.   It was Felassan who suggested that there were servant elves as well as nobility and I rather put two and two together and thought that initially there were humans as servants/slaves too.   It was only after the elves started to suffer ill effects from the contact with humans that they tried to withdraw, after which things went down hill rather quickly, but originally the races were intermixing.    Another personal theory is that magic originally got into human race through interbreeding with elves.   Originally humans did not have magical ability but the elf blooded children introduced it and thereafter it just spread.

[Master Warder Z_]

Magic has been confirmed to not be tied to heredity.

[TheEternalStudent]

Magic has been confirmed to not be tied to heredity.

No... it explicitly has. This is why Tevinter has magical families, and nobles throughout Thedas are scandalized when nobles give birth to mages.
It's not exclusively tied to heredity.

[pengwin21]

It does seem to have some hereditary component- Tevinter arranging matches to create magical families, the Amells having a history of mages etc. There are examples of mages with non mage parents (Connor, Feynriel) and children of mages being nonmagical (Alistair) though.

[Icy Magebane]

It does seem to have some hereditary component- Tevinter arranging matches to create magical families, the Amells having a history of mages etc. There are examples of mages with non mage parents (Connor, Feynriel) and children of mages being nonmagical (Alistair) though.

Isolde said that magic ran in her family, however... so add her to the list in support of a hereditary component.

[animedreamer]

No... it explicitly has. This is why Tevinter has magical families, and nobles throughout Thedas are scandalized when nobles give birth to mages.
It's not exclusively tied to heredity.

I'm reminded of what leandra said in one conversation about her parents, when she described how she was bringing more magic into their line when she married Malcolm, despite her family already having had magic in it, though her and Gamlen seemed to have been skipped in having had any, even Gamlen's daughter didn't have any.,

[raging_monkey]

I see it as a recessive trait in humans and elves qunari idk much of their gentics to teally make a accurate diamogisi

[Lulupab]

No... it explicitly has. This is why Tevinter has magical families, and nobles throughout Thedas are scandalized when nobles give birth to mages.
It's not exclusively tied to heredity.

Correct, while families with magic heredity have higher chance to produce mage children, they can pop up anytime and anywhere as well.

[Gervaise]

There has to be some sort of heredity element to it otherwise there would be no point in Tevinter trying to breed mages and other countries trying to avoid it.    It doesn't even have to be recessive.   If it is a dominant gene, then the parent would have one gene that carried magic and one that didn't, with a 50/50 chance of the resulting offspring being a mage, so you'd need one parent to be a mage and the other wouldn't matter.   However, if it is a recessive gene that could account for Connor being born from two non mages. 

 

The thing is, if there was no hereditary component, it would be totally random and Malcolm Hawke could just as easily not have had any mage children and Tevinter's insistence on preserving old mage lines would make no sense at all.     If it isn't hereditary then why are some children born mages and others not?    Are they being zapped in the womb?

[Ryzaki]

I have no Elf plans anymore. They all went up in smoke because of the restrictions we have. 

 

*comforts*

 

Join me in the Qunari land?

 

But anyway I support the city elves and hope we can play them in DA4. Whoot City elves.

 

I hope my Inquisitor can support them for their rights and all that.

 

(I also hope supporting the dalish and supporting elves in general aren't swept into one brush. My warden doesn't care about the dalish anymore than they care about her.)

[Lulupab]

There has to be some sort of heredity element to it otherwise there would be no point in Tevinter trying to breed mages and other countries trying to avoid it.    It doesn't even have to be recessive.   If it is a dominant gene, then the parent would have one gene that carried magic and one that didn't, with a 50/50 chance of the resulting offspring being a mage, so you'd need one parent to be a mage and the other wouldn't matter.   However, if it is a recessive gene that could account for Connor being born from two non mages. 
 
The thing is, if there was no hereditary component, it would be totally random and Malcolm Hawke could just as easily not have had any mage children and Tevinter's insistence on preserving old mage lines would make no sense at all.     If it isn't hereditary then why are some children born mages and others not?    Are they being zapped in the womb?

The chance of Heredity is so much higher than the random ones though, like a lot more higher. The more pure mage a family is the more chance of producing mage children. Sometimes its even guaranteed due to being pure mage for centuries. But there are random ones as well. Its confirmed.

[Tevinter Rose]

Are they being zapped in the womb?

 

lmao. They are zapped by invisible magical beams.

[BronzTrooper]

tbh, I have thought about being born a mage as being a recessive trait rather than a dominant one.  Take Malcolm and Leandra.  Malcolm was a mage and Leandra was obviously a carrier for magic due to the Amell line having a history of mages.  For this, let's just use M for no magic, and m for magic.

 

Malcolm would have mm while Leandra would have Mm, so there's a 50/50 chance for them to have a mage child.  Let's use a Punnet Square:

 

            m        m      

      |

M   |    Mm     Mm

      |

m   |    mm     mm

 

 

Carver would obviously be a carrier (Mm) since he's not a mage, Bethany would be mm because she inherited her magic from Malcolm, and Hawke can either be a carrier (Mm) or a mage (mm).

 

It is possible that the interbreeding between humans and elves introduced the dominate M into the elven bloodline, considering how the Dalish say that all the Arlathan elves possessed magic, but there's no real info that confirms that.  Whether humans did start out with magic or they were given it by interbreeding with the elves, there's no confirmation on that either.

[raging_monkey]

tbh, I have thought about being born a mage as being a recessive trait rather than a dominant one.  Take Malcolm and Leandra.  Malcolm was a mage and Leandra was obviously a carrier for magic due to the Amell line having a history of mages.  For this, let's just use M for no magic, and m for magic. Malcolm would have mm while Leandra would have Mm, so there's a 50/50 chance for them to have a mage child.  Let's use a Punnet Square:             m        m            |M   |    Mm     Mm      |m   |    mm     mm  Carver would obviously be a carrier (Mm) since he's not a mage, Bethany would be mm because she inherited her magic from Malcolm, and Hawke can either be a carrier (Mm) or a mage (mm). It is possible that the interbreeding between humans and elves introduced the dominate M into the elven bloodline, considering how the Dalish say that all the Arlathan elves possessed magic, but there's no real info that confirms that.  Whether humans did start out with magic or they were given it by interbreeding with the elves, there's no confirmation on that either.

i have a similar view of it but all races had it but dwarves lost it due to lyrium vapors,

[BronzTrooper]

i have a similar view of it but all races had it but dwarves lost it due to lyrium vapors,

 

tbh, I think that they never had it at all.  Plus, dwarves interbreeding with humans and elves don't result in more of any of those 3.  They end up with hybrids.  Then again, could a dwarf/elf or dwarf/human hybrid be a mage?  Hmm...

[raging_monkey]

tbh, I think that they never had it at all.  Plus, dwarves interbreeding with humans and elves don't result in more of any of those 3.  They end up with hybrids.  Then again, could a dwarf/elf or dwarf/human hybrid be a mage?  Hmm...

sandal is alledgly a dwarf elf hybrid so

[BronzTrooper]

sandal is alledgly a dwarf elf hybrid so

 

Not sure about that, tbh.  We've never seen Sandal casting spells, so there's no confirmation on whether or not he is a mage.  Maybe we'll learn more about him in DA:I?

[Icy Magebane]

tbh, I think that they never had it at all.  Plus, dwarves interbreeding with humans and elves don't result in more of any of those 3.  They end up with hybrids.  Then again, could a dwarf/elf or dwarf/human hybrid be a mage?  Hmm...

No.  Somebody would have noticed that in the several thousands of years these races have been in contact with one another.  If the combination creates a dwarf, it can't be a mage.

 

What exactly is a dwarf/elf or dwarf/human hybrid anyway?  I've never heard of that... do you know of any examples?

[raging_monkey]

Not sure about that, tbh.  We've never seen Sandal casting spells, so there's no confirmation on whether or not he is a mage.  Maybe we'll learn more about him in DA:I?

true but its food for thought

[BronzTrooper]

No.  Somebody would have noticed that in the several thousands of years these races have been in contact with one another.  If the combination creates a dwarf, it can't be a mage.

 

What exactly is a dwarf/elf or dwarf/human hybrid anyway?  I've never heard of that... do you know of any examples?

 

I guess that makes sense.

 

There aren't any examples that I know of, but iirc, a human/dwarf hybrid would be a short human or a tall dwarf (whichever way you want to describe it).  Not sure about dwarf/elf, tbh.