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[EmperorSahlertz]

Yeah I usually played a mage or a rogue and they got knocked down easily. So that fireball was easily a good half my health and they spammed it. So I'd have to deal with the damn drake and their stupid fireball. I stuck to the dwarves after that. They at least didn't kill me.

 

My 2HD warrior was the only one who wouldn't have been bothered by that but by the time I played her I told the mages to screw themselves XD

 

But seriously most of the damage came from my mages and my rogues. Archer Leliana and Dual wielding Alistair were beasts.

Yeah.. 2H warrior is kind of a waste in DA:O. They did try to rectify that in DA:A to limited succes. I usually just went with my PC as a fully specced out Tank, then either two rogues and a mage, or a rogue and two mages. The one point in favor of rogues, was that I wouldn't have to consider friendly fire quite as often.

[Lulupab]

Seriously get a mage without any friendly fire AoE. Try Morrigan with all debuffing spells and all single target damage spells. She prepares them for you to kill and uses crowd control as necessary.

[Br3admax]

Is it 2009 again? 

[Ryzaki]

Yeah.. 2H warrior is kind of a waste in DA:O. They did try to rectify that in DA:A to limited succes. I usually just went with my PC as a fully specced out Tank, then either two rogues and a mage, or a rogue and two mages. The one point in favor of rogues, was that I wouldn't have to consider friendly fire quite as often.

 

It's not that bad with the faster swing mod. But without it bleh. I mostly like it cause indomitable and it serves its purpose on normal (Plus RP reasons. My Cousland girl picked the biggest sword she could find to mess with Fergus even named the dog Fergie to troll him more).

 

But yeah thankfully with rogues I didn't have to worry about killing my companions when I wanted to use a big hit. Plus dual wielding daggers was fun. I left the archery to Leliana.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Is it 2009 again? 

 

If it is I can make SO much money.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Seriously get a mage without any friendly fire AoE. Try Morrigan with all debuffing spells and all single target damage spells. She prepares them for you to kill and uses crowd control as necessary.

Yeah I know. But those spells just aren't as visually awesome as firestorm.... Even if firestorm was largely useless, it did make one hell of a visual.

 

But generally my approach remains, let the PC stand and tank it all, then when the party members die to my negligence, then let the PC kill all the enemies with his smashing board (shield). Sprinkle with seasoning, and let it simmer at a low burn, and you got a surefire way of strangling all enjoyment out of combat gameplay in DA:O that way.

[BronzTrooper]

Yeah.. 2H warrior is kind of a waste in DA:O. They did try to rectify that in DA:A to limited succes. I usually just went with my PC as a fully specced out Tank, then either two rogues and a mage, or a rogue and two mages. The one point in favor of rogues, was that I wouldn't have to consider friendly fire quite as often.

 

2-hander warrior can be a really good DPS tank.  My human-hating Tabris just dominated his way through DA:O.  Ran around with Shale (specced for pure DPS), Zevran, and Wynne.  I actually found that really fun compared to S&S.  Can't compare with dual-wielding, but it's still pretty damn fun, imo.

[Drasanil]

 

Werewolves are more useful in Denerim anyway.

 

Wait... you actually suck enough to notice what is more useful in Denerim?

 

But I like the dwarves too much to inflict the Anvil on them.

 

It's literally the only traditional "Good guy" choice I always take!

 

Yeah, that's why real men pick Bhelen. He makes sure only people who deserve it [like those filthy Harrowmont supporters] are made into Golems. 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, that's why real men pick Bhelen. He makes sure only people who deserve it [like those filthy Harrowmont supporters] are made into Golems. 

 

 

Everyone with a brain picks Bhelen. But the Anvil is not good for the dwarves. One of the big recurring things I've noticed with Bio writing in recent years is how cultures with marginal at best odds NEED to let go of whatever past baggage they are holding on to if they want to survive and thrive.

[Drasanil]

Everyone with a brain picks Bhelen. But the Anvil is not good for the dwarves. One of the big recurring things I've noticed with Bio writing in recent years is how cultures with marginal at best odds NEED to let go of whatever past baggage they are holding on to if they want to survive and thrive.

 

While I can understand where you are coming from, that just feels way too damn meta-gamey. Picking Bhelen makes sense from a practical in-universe point of view. While picking. or not picking, golems really seems like the sort of question which is not supposed to have an immediate obvious answer like Bhelen. [Which is why I generally leave it to my PC's character. As opposed to say picking Bhelen which is forehead-smackingly obvious.]

[Ryzaki]

What?

 

Even not metagaming how on earth is giving the anvil to that loon Branka a good idea? (because that's the only way you can keep the anvil. Branka must be alive and using it).

 

Blights have been won without golems.

 

There's a perfectly sane reason not to use the anvil even with the desperation of the blight. I'm not going to hand a loaded shotgun to a crazy person even if they'll help me kill the enemies. Too much risk of getting shot in the back. No time for that.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

While I can understand where you are coming from, that just feels way too damn meta-gamey. Picking Bhelen makes sense from a practical in-universe point of view. While picking. or not picking, golems really seems like the sort of question which is not supposed to have an immediate obvious answer like Bhelen. [Which is why I generally leave it to my PC's character. As opposed to say picking Bhelen which is forehead-smackingly obvious.]

 

I've always had a difficult time separating in-game thinking from meta-knowledge. My first run is always my most "Honest" one I go in without spoiliers and pick what seems best.

 

But after that I'll meta game the crap out of it. First run I picked Bhelen and destroyed the Anvil *Entirely because of Shale I might add* and decided I liked that outcome for Orzammar.

[Drasanil]

What?

 

Even not metagaming how on EARTH is giving the anvil to that loon Branka a good idea?

 

Blights have been won without golems.

 

There's a perfectly sane reason not to use the anvil even with the desperation of the blight. I'm not going to hand a loaded shotgun to a crazy person even if they'll help me kill the enemies. Too much risk of getting shot in the back. No time for that.

 

Yeah, the question is not whether or not you hand the shotgun to a crazy person. Rather whther or not you make sure you have someone on side [Bhelen] who knows how to handle the crazy person when you give them the shotgun 

[Ryzaki]

Yeah, the question is not whether or not you hand the shotgun to a crazy person. Rather whther or not you make sure you have someone on side [Bhelen] who knows how to handle the crazy person when you give them the shotgun 

 

Bhelen can't do jack squat against a golem army.

 

Just no. I get why people do it but there's a perfectly good reason to go "Hell no" to saving the anvil.

 

I might be able to justify it if you were giving it to someone sane. But as it is? Hell no.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Yeah, the question is not whether or not you hand the shotgun to a crazy person. Rather whther or not you make sure you have someone on side [Bhelen] who knows how to handle the crazy person when you give them the shotgun 

 

To this day I still think King Bhelen without the Anvil and surface support is the best option for Orzammar.

 

*First run was a dwarf*

[Ryzaki]

To this day I still think King Bhelen without the Anvil and surface support is the best option for Orzammar.

 

*First run was a dwarf*

 

Agreed.

 

Harrowmont is too weak to rule Orzammar. Bhelen is corrupt enough and wants to drag Orzammar to glory enough that it works.

 

Neither of them need the anvil though. They both abuse it and are too weak to control Branka.

[Drasanil]

Bhelen can't do jack squat against a golem army.

 

Just no. I get why people do it but there's a perfectly good reason to go "Hell no" to saving the anvil.

 

I might be able to justify it if you were giving it to someone sane. But as it is? Hell no.

 

IIRC Bhelen sieges Branka to a stand-still where they finally agree to terms, where she is not solely answerable to him but still 'answerable' in a larger sense to all the dwarves. As opposed to say Harrowmont who, unsurprisingly, folds faster than Superman on laundry day and lets her do what ever she pleases. 

[Ryzaki]

IIRC Bhelen sieges Branka to a stand-still where they finally agree to terms, where she is not solely answerable to him but still 'answerable' in a larger sense to all the dwarves. As opposed to say Harrowmont who, unsurprisingly, folds faster than Superman on laundry day and lets her do what ever she pleases. 

 

I thought the slide simply said she hunkered down in her Golem seige room. I didn't see anything about them coming to any sort of agreement. Much less her answering to him.

 

Yep

 

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“At first, King Bhelen worked eagerly with Branka to provide subjects--willing or not--so that the golems could push the darkspawn back. This arrangement was not to last, however.”

“Before long, Branka began to refuse to create golems only for the king, who soon banned use of the Anvil. His men attacked Branka's fortress in the Deep Roads, forcing her to shut it tight.”

“Years into the siege, Bhelen was forced to relent. The fortress, guarded by Branka's golems, remained impenetrable.”

 

He lost. http://dragonage.wik...logue_(Origins)

 

That said Harrowmont doing that surprises me not one bit.

 

Basically saving the anvil is questionable. Not because "DA POWA" but because you're handing it over to a loon.

 

Edit: that was mean of me. Just no. Giving a crazy person a golem army was a recipe for disaster from the jump. It's not surprising that backfires.

[Drasanil]

I thought the slide simply said she hunkered down in her Golem seige room. I didn't see anything about them coming to any sort of agreement. Much less her answering to him.

 

Yep

 

"

“At first, King Bhelen worked eagerly with Branka to provide subjects--willing or not--so that the golems could push the darkspawn back. This arrangement was not to last, however.”

“Before long, Branka began to refuse to create golems only for the king, who soon banned use of the Anvil. His men attacked Branka's fortress in the Deep Roads, forcing her to shut it tight.”

“Years into the siege, Bhelen was forced to relent. The fortress, guarded by Branka's golems, remained impenetrable.”

 

He lost. http://dragonage.wik...logue_(Origins)

 

Actually, that is exactly what I meant, he was not laying siege against her for making golems, but rather for making golems with purposes other than serving him. The only reason Branka wants to make golems is to recapture dwarven glory and what not, the impression that slide left me with is not that she was directly opposing Bhelen. Rather that she thought making sure the golems were used for all dwarves was more important than making sure they were only used to support Bhelen.

 

That said Harrowmont doing that surprises me not one bit.

 

Basically saving the anvil is questionable. Not because "DA POWA" but because you're handing it over to a loon.

 

Edit: that was mean of me.

 

Aye, rather a shame that Harrowmont was more predictable than an elf gal whoring herself to out to Alistair. But what can you do... apart for not picking those options?

 

Apart for that, what was mean exactly? I didn't really notice anything nasty about your posts

[Ryzaki]

Actually, that is exactly what I meant, he was not laying siege against her for making golems, but rather for making golems with purposes other than serving him. The only reason Branka wants to make golems is to recapture dwarven glory and what not, the impression that slide left me with is not that she was directly opposing Bhelen. Rather that she thought making sure the golems were used for all dwarves was more important than making sure they were only used to support Bhelen.

 

 

Aye, rather a shame that Harrowmont was more predictable than an elf gal whoring herself to out to Alistair. But what can you do... apart for not picking those options?

 

Apart for that, what was mean exactly? I didn't really notice nasty about your posts

 

He still couldn't control her which is my point. If she wanted to go against him she's perfectly capable of doing so. That has bad idea written all over it in green glowing neon letters. With some bold font for emphasis. With an arrow.

 

Not to mention those golems were being made from people's souls. She's killing people to make them. Probably enmasse.

 

Hella rude. My elf gal maybe a mistress but she's also a Teryn and rich. (and fully willing to slit your throat in your sleep).

 

Oh believe me that's what I do. I don't even consider sparing the anvil (though Morrigan whining about it and being able to threaten to throw her ****** on it has it's amusement factor. ah for once she STFU. It's a miracle I wish she'd repeat.)

 

I edited it out cause it was rude XD

[Meraxes]

Why are we talking about Bhelen and the anvil in the elven thread?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Why are we talking about Bhelen and the anvil in the elven thread?

 

Bhelen is much more deserving of support.

 

Well that's not entirely true the City Elves could use help too.

[Br3admax]

Who needs help when you have Celene for an empress? The City Elves in Orlais at least will be fine. 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Who needs help when you have Celene for an empress? The City Elves in Orlais at least will be fine. 

 

Until a noble makes a catty comment about her treatment of them and she kills a few thousand of them to prove her point.

[Br3admax]

Yes, but there's almost no chance she'll do it a second time. She's a better person from the experience.