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[Ryzaki]

If they're both crap choices you might as well pick the one who actually means what they say and has the strength of character to back it up.

 

Nah I rather pick one who actually has some sympathy for my people.

[pengwin21]

Gaspard would have done the same thing at Halamshiral(he admits it himself) and has no plans for improving the lives of city elves. "But at least he's honest!" doesn't really cut it for me.

 

I didn't really find him that honorable myself- he tries to murder Celene during a hunting trip and attempts to goad Teagan into conflict. He also plans to start an unnecessary war with Fereldan (because invading Fereldan protects them from Nevarra somehow?)

[Steelcan]

I rather it come from someone who never cared in the first place.

 

But you're ignoring that Celene offers a potential for a benefit. That's not the case with Gaspard. Do I think it's the risk for something better to risk a backstab? Yes.

 

Of course.
 

I don't think its a risk worth taking because, well to quote 4Chan/Reddit/Imgur "OP doesn't deliver"

[Ryzaki]

"Celene, go kill half the elves in the kingdom because we want you to." C: "Okay."

"Gaspard, go kill half the elves in the kingdom because we want you to." G: "If I wanted to do that, I would have. You're lucky I don't kill half the men in this room." 

 

If you can't tell which is the better leader of a country from that, then I'll see you on the battlefield, friend. 

 

Where on earth did you see me arguing who was better for the country? I was arguging who was better for the elves.

 

Those are not the same.

 

If I gave a damn about Orlais (which I don't) I'd pick Gaspard. As I don't. I won't.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Or you might as well pick the one that gives you minor benefits as opposed to none.

 

Minor benefits that will be dropped at the first sign of trouble. Leaving you worse off than before because now you've had better conditions only to have them torn away.

[Ryzaki]

I don't think its a risk worth taking because, well to quote 4Chan/Reddit/Imgur "OP doesn't deliver"

 

Which is fair enough everyone's different and all that. 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Nah I rather pick one who actually has some sympathy for my people.

 

Celene cared about her girlfriend Briala. She doesn't really give a **** about elves. Not if she was really being honest with herself.

[Br3admax]

Those are not the same.

They are, because the same situation is going to happen to the elves regardless. Celene does it when asked to. Gaspard does it when he feels like it, if he feels like it. It should be obvious who is better for the elves in the long run is. 

[Ryzaki]

Celene cared about her girlfriend Briala. She doesn't really give a **** about elves. Not if she was really being honest with herself.

 

Wasn't she still supporting them after Briala left?

 

 

They are, because the same situation is going to happen to the elves regardless. Celene does it when asked to. Gaspard does it when he feels like it, if he feels like it. It should be obvious who is better for the elves in the long run is. 

 

It's great you like Gaspard really. I'm not siding with him I probably never will. And thankfully the game will probably accommodate both of us.

 

Choices are fun.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Wasn't she still supporting them after Briala left?

 

 

 

Hell no.

[Ryzaki]

Hell no.

 

lol ah well I'll still pick her over Gaspard.

[Br3admax]

It's great you like Gaspard really. 

But I don't. Nor do I like Orlais. Or anything to do with Orlais. I favor stability. 

 

I'm not siding with him I probably never will. And thankfully the game will probably accommodate both of us.

 

Choices are fun.

Which is fine. I don't care. I'm not disagreeing with your choice. I'm disagreeing with your reasoning. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Minor benefits that will be dropped at the first sign of trouble. Leaving you worse off than before because now you've had better conditions only to have them torn away.

 

Not really any worse off than if there were none at all. It wasn't until the rebellion AND political threat against her that Celene felt forced to crush it. Before that she was looking for another way, which maybe she would have even stuck with if the situation would have been slightly different. Gaspard would not have waited so long or provided them any other leniency. Even if Celene revoked all the reforms after burning Halamshiral (which I don't think they she did), that doesn't put them in a worse of position than Gaspard never giving them any.

 

It's simply better to have a ruler who is only slightly sympathetic to you than someone who is not at all.

 

 

Wasn't she still supporting them after Briala left?

 

She did tell her at one point that if Briala was through with her that the elves wouldn't suffer for it. And I don't remember any line where she rescinded that statement or clearly changed her mind.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

lol ah well I'll still pick her over Gaspard.

 

Nooo! Why my frendo why??!?!

 

*ahem* I tell you what if you make at least 1 run at some point where you back Gaspard I'll make one where I back Celene. Then we can compare notes about how much we hate the whole situation.

[Ryzaki]

But I don't. Nor do I like Orlais. Or anything to do with Orlais. I favor stability. 

Which is fine. I don't care. I'm not disagreeing with your choice. I'm disagreeing with your reasoning. 

 

Fair enough. Stability serves it's uses but change can be useful as well. And more interesting to watch really.

 

*shrug*

[Ryzaki]

Not really any worse off than if there were none at all. It wasn't until the rebellion AND political threat against her that Celene felt forced to crush it. Before that she was looking for another way, which maybe she would have even stuck with if the situation would have been slightly different. Gaspard would not have waited so long or provided them any other leniency. Even if Celene revoked all the reforms after burning Halamshiral (which I don't think they she did), that doesn't put them in a worse of position than Gaspard never giving them any.

 

It's simply better to have a ruler who is only slightly sympathetic to you than someone who is not at all.

 

Agreed. *shrug* It's a crappy situation all around but slightly less terrible is slightly less.

 

 

Nooo! Why my frendo why??!?!

 

*ahem* I tell you what if you make at least 1 run at some point where you back Gaspard I'll make one where I back Celene. Then we can compare notes about how much we hate the whole situation.

 

Gaspard sounds like someone I'd want to punch in the face. That's why.

 

XD noooo I don't wanna I'll feel dirty.

 

[pengwin21]

Not sure if Gaspard is the more stable choice with the whole Fereldan invasion plans.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

 

XD noooo I don't wanna I'll feel dirty.

 

 

Come onnnnn! It'll be fun to see how disgusted with myself I get for having to support Celene!

 

Think of the LOLS to be had! The LOLS!

[Br3admax]

Not sure if Gaspard is the more stable choice with the whole Fereldan invasion plans.

Bringing culture to the doglords? I see no problem with this. 

[Ryzaki]

Come onnnnn! It'll be fun to see how disgusted with myself I get for having to support Celene!

 

Think of the LOLS to be had! The LOLS!

 

Nope. I refuse. The Fereldan invasion plans put him on my sh**list. If I get the choice to take him out I'm taking it.

 

Only lols that I shall have is from my deathblow.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Bringing culture to the doglords? I see no problem with this. 

 

Indeed. A shame the coming demonpocalypse and current Civil war will require putting those plans on hold.

[Steelcan]

Not sure if Gaspard is the more stable choice with the whole Fereldan invasion plans.

its not going to happen whether he wants it to or not, the Crisis and Civil war will leave Orlais too weak, not to mention whatever shenanigans the elves get up to

[Br3admax]

Nope. I refuse. The Fereldan invasion plans put him on my sh**list.

But...but..Ferelden is so terribad. The only reason they are as "advance" as they are today is because of Orlais. 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Nope. I refuse. The Fereldan invasion plans put him on my sh**list. If I get the choice to take him out I'm taking it.

 

Only lols that I shall have is from my deathblow.

 

Oh please the Demonpocalypse and civil war will have put paid to any ideas of foreign adventures. Orlais will need to focus on rebuilding for years after DAI. And that will provide the national focus Gaspard was looking for with an invasion of Dogland.

[pengwin21]

Oh please the Demonpocalypse and civil war will have put paid to any ideas of foreign adventures. Orlais will need to focus on rebuilding for years after DAI. And that will provide the national focus Gaspard was looking for with an invasion of Dogland.

 

I don't see starting another prolonged rebellion in Fereldan as being good for the stability of Thedas.