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[Ryzaki]

 

*snip*

 

Oh god that's terrible but I lol'd. XD

[BronzTrooper]

Don't want to derail the thread but you do realise you just described pretty much every religion, ever! I don't think you can single out the Dalish for this alone.

 

Fair enough.  I guess that's one of the reasons why I'm not really big on religion in general.  Especially not big religions like Christianity and Catholicism irl, and the Chantry in DA.  

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Those were about the negative aspects of relying only on tradition, not reclaiming lost lore. 

 

OK this is getting into an argument about meaningless semantics, but my initial post said there were Dalish haters and "holding on to old traditions" was a thing that they criticized the Dalish for. Which they do. Not that it was the only main thing they hated the Dalish for.

 

 

they have evolved

 

remaining hide-bound to tradition is a recipe for extinction

 

Which is a good thing.

They aren't fixated on a past long gone or customs and traditions of an empire that has long since faded into history.

The sun set on original elven culture a long time ago.

 

Both of these statements contrast the practices of City and Dalish elves, while suggesting the fact that City Elves do not remember the old ways is better specifically because they don't try do what the Dalish try to do.

[Patchwork]

Those tarots aren't going to represent the PC right? Or we can pick one that's actually a symbol?

 

Because nothing jars me more than a avatar that looks nothing like my actual PC.

 

In the game play vids the Inquisitor's icon is a glowy rift hand.  

[Shadow Fox]

I like playing as a dalish, happy I'm getting to play as a dalish mage since I couldn't do it in DAO.

Anyways, I hope there will be some cameos from past elves in DAI, like Merrill.

 

[source]

Emorrill.

 

*hugs*

[Icy Magebane]

OK this is getting into an argument about meaningless semantics, but my initial post said there were Dalish haters and "holding on to old traditions" was a thing that they criticized the Dalish for. Which they do. Not that it was the only main thing they hated the Dalish for.

 

Both of these statements contrast the practices of City and Dalish elves, while suggesting the fact that City Elves do remember the old ways is better specifically because they don't try do what the Dalish try to do.

The Dalish go out of their way to express their superiority over other elves every chance they get.  It's only fair that this belief be challenged, even if it's by players, although various elven NPCs have also expressed disdain for the Dalish and their views.  Clearly the old ways are not making the Dalish any stronger since they live in constant fear of humans and don't hold a single city-state, let alone the homeland they've been pining over.  Because of this, I question the overall value of these practices... while there is some historical value to what the Dalish have been doing, their adherence to tradition has in no way helped them grow as a people.  If anything, it has kept them stagnant and fearful, unable to cope with the humans who grow stronger with each generation.  The Dalish can repeat their mantras as often as they like, but they have yet to prove their superiority.  They certainly haven't proven anything by living as nomads for centuries.

[Ryzaki]

In the game play vids the Inquisitor's icon is a glowy rift hand.  

 

Oh good good.

[Duggs007]

IMMA GONNA BE AN ELF INQUISITOR!!!!!

 

(Creators, that was so off topic compared to the other recent posts) 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Dalish go out of their way to express their superiority over other elves every chance they get.  It's only fair that this belief be challenged, even if it's by players, although various elven NPCs have also expressed disdain for the Dalish and their views.  Clearly the old ways are not making the Dalish any stronger since they live in constant fear of humans and don't hold a single city-state, let alone the homeland they've been pining over.  Because of this, I question the overall value of these practices... while there is some historical value to what the Dalish have been doing, their adherence to tradition has in no way helped them grow as a people.  If anything, it has kept them stagnant and fearful, unable to cope with the humans who grow stronger with each generation.  The Dalish can repeat their mantras as often as they like, but they have yet to prove their superiority.  They certainly haven't proven anything by living as nomads for centuries.

 

Dalish are much better off than the City Elves. But This is because they have opted to live separate from humans instead of as their subjects. It's another thing many people here often repeat as a point against the Dalish: That Dalish elves claim they are oppressed by humans but City Elves are the true victims of human oppression. But the very fact that it is true suggests the Dalish way of life has merit.

 

I fail to see how opting to live oppressive conditions and in poverty has helped City Elves grow as a people in a context where it has not with the Dalish elves.

 

Not all Dalish elves look down on City Elves, but the value of remembering old elven lore is supposed to be it's own reward because it offers stronger ties to their heritage. And it's in preparation for a day when the the elves can practice their religion and culture without fear and/or with a state of their own. It lets them maintain culture of their own to ward off the fear of assimilation.

 

I think you're also looking at the value of the old ways backwards. The Dalish want a state so they can preserve their culture. They don't want to preserve their culture so it will give them a state.

[BronzTrooper]

IMMA GONNA BE A ELF INQUISITOR!!!!!

 

(Creators, that was so off topic compared to the other recent posts) 

 

Actually, we could use more of these types of posts.  

[Shadow Fox]

How I wish the Dalish Origin went:

 

 

 

*sees him threatening defenseless peasants*

 

"...​YOU IDIOT!!!"

 

*slams bow unto his head then apologizes profusely to scared peasants*

 

 

What I wish my Dalish could do with Velanna:

 

*Hands over tied&gagged Velanna to merchant*

 

"She's all yours."

 

*muffled swearing*

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Not that I'm defending Tamlen's actions here but the peasants obviously weren't grateful for Maharial's mercy. I picked all the nicest pro-human responses and let them go and they still reacted the same way they would if we had killed them all.

[Tevinter Rose]

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[Ryzaki]

How I wish the Dalish Origin went:

 

 

 

*sees him threatening defenseless peasants*

 

"...​YOU IDIOT!!!"

 

*slams bow unto his head then apologizes profusely to scared peasants*

 

 

What I wish my Dalish could do with Velanna:

 

*Hands over tied&gagged Velanna to merchant*

 

"She's all yours."

 

*muffled swearing*

 

Eh it all worked out

 

My elf mage left her a smear on the ground.

[jlb524]

IMMA GONNA BE A ELF INQUISITOR!!!!!

 

ME TOO!!!

[BronzTrooper]

How I wish the Dalish Origin went:

 

 

 

*sees him threatening defenseless peasants*

 

"...​YOU IDIOT!!!"

 

*slams bow unto his head then apologizes profusely to scared peasants*

 

 

What I wish my Dalish could do with Velanna:

 

*Hands over tied&gagged Velanna to merchant*

 

"She's all yours."

 

*muffled swearing*

 

The problem with the first one is that regardless of what you do, the nearby human settlement gets ready to oust the Dalish from the area.

 

The problem with the second is that Velanna isn't exactly in the right state of mind.  Plus, you can blame the Architect for her flipping out and attacking any and all passing human caravans.  He was the one that had her clan wiped out and Seranni taken.

[Ryzaki]

ME TOO!!!

 

Have fun you guys
 

Hopefully DA4 has some city elves so I can get in the elf loving again.

[Tevinter Rose]

Actually, we could use more of these types of posts.  

 

More positive posts would be great

[BronzTrooper]

ME TOO!!!

 

Elf Inquisitor, FTW!  

[jlb524]

Have fun you guys
 

Hopefully DA4 has some city elves so I can get in the elf loving again.

 

My Wardens were city elves (Tabris and Surana) so I don't mind having to mix it up this game.

[RobRam10]

More positive posts would be great

Elves doing the will of Tevinter.

[Xilizhra]

The Dalish go out of their way to express their superiority over other elves every chance they get.  It's only fair that this belief be challenged, even if it's by players, although various elven NPCs have also expressed disdain for the Dalish and their views.  Clearly the old ways are not making the Dalish any stronger since they live in constant fear of humans and don't hold a single city-state, let alone the homeland they've been pining over.  Because of this, I question the overall value of these practices... while there is some historical value to what the Dalish have been doing, their adherence to tradition has in no way helped them grow as a people.  If anything, it has kept them stagnant and fearful, unable to cope with the humans who grow stronger with each generation.  The Dalish can repeat their mantras as often as they like, but they have yet to prove their superiority.  They certainly haven't proven anything by living as nomads for centuries.

They've proven that it's possible to live in harmony with mages outside the Chantry's umbrella. That's quite a bit of value.

 

Do the Dalish need to change? Sure. But so does everyone in Thedas, and I'd say the Dalish need to change less than some, at least in terms of cultural values. And it'll be easier not to fear once they have a land of their own and can properly secure it.

[BronzTrooper]

Elves doing the will of Tevinter.

 

The Qunari kicking Tevinter where the sun don't shine.  

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Speaking of Inquisitor elves in the game, I've been having a little bit of trouble rationalizing having a Dalish Elf wanting to keep Dorian around, but I also don't feel like skipping out on all his content with her.

 

Anyone else having a personal conundrum along those lines?

[Shadow Fox]

The problem with the first one is that regardless of what you do, the nearby human settlement gets ready to oust the Dalish from the area.

 

The problem with the second is that Velanna isn't exactly in the right state of mind.  Plus, you can blame the Architect for her flipping out and attacking any and all passing human caravans.  He was the one that had her clan wiped out and Seranni taken.

Considering one just tried to kill them for wandering too close to where they were squatting I don't blame them.

 

No I can blame Velanna for being a stupid racist murderess.