Speaking of Inquisitor elves in the game, I've been having a little bit of trouble rationalizing having a Dalish Elf wanting to keep Dorian around, but I also don't feel like skipping out on all his content with her.
Anyone else having a personal conundrum along those lines?
Well he wants to fight against what Tevinter is, so at the very least he can be used to destabilize it and against other magisters who enslave elves.
Marethari still cared about her. That was the only reason she needed.
Only in the sense that Meredith "cared" about the mages. Maybe less.
Marethari still cared about her. That was the only reason she needed.
Sadly.
Marethari really should've just cut her losses and moved the clan. Trying to save Merrill from herself was pointless. Merrill made her bed should've let the girl lay in it.
Only in the sense that Meredith "cared" about the mages. Maybe less.
That's completely unfair... Marethari gave up her life to protect Merrill, regardless of whether that was foolish or not. She also put the entire clan at risk because she was over-protective... you can't compare her to Meredith.
I imagine giving up on someone you consider a daughter of sorts is a lot easier said than done, tbh.
That's completely unfair... Marethari gave up her life to protect Merrill, regardless of whether that was foolish or not. She also put the entire clan at risk because she was over-protective... you can't compare her to Meredith.
Marethari gave her life for something. It's an abomination who claims that it was to protect Merrill. And Marethari had previously ensured that Merrill would never find any allies within the clan again, which certainly doesn't sound like the act of someone who still cared about Merrill... in addition to throwing her at a varterral, which doesn't sound like someone overprotective.
Marethari gave her life for something. It's an abomination who claims that it was to protect Merrill. And Marethari had previously ensured that Merrill would never find any allies within the clan again, which certainly doesn't sound like the act of someone who still cared about Merrill... in addition to throwing her at a varterral, which doesn't sound like someone overprotective.
I see... well, even if we don't take the abomination at its word, there is still the fact that Marethari made repeated attempts to turn Merrill away from blood magic over the course of... 5-6 years? Now, it's true that this was Merrill's decision to make, but what other motivation could she possibly have had for this? Jealousy that Merrill might accomplish something she never did as a Keeper? Tbh I can't think of anything, and even the reason I just gave sounds kind of absurd... I also would not say that Marethari turned the clan against Merrill. She was a blood mage, and all Dalish know what blood mages are... the Keepers are so wary of Fade creatures that they supposedly don't normally work magic involving spirits. Unless Merrill's blood magic was a closely guarded secret, the clan would have found out what she was doing and come to their own conclusions... most likely negative ones. Finally, the varterral quest was supposed to deter her from continuing along this path, since she was invoking a Dalish law that could not be overruled, even by the Keeper. Maybe she figured Merrill would be too afraid to fight the beast, or maybe she trusted Hawke and company to keep her safe... who knows. I don't think she made this request out of malice, however, hoping that she'd die as a result.
I imagine giving up on someone you consider a daughter of sorts is a lot easier said than done, tbh.
True but she had an entire clan to be worried about. She placed Merrills safety over that of her entire clan's. She shouldn't have been Keeper if she didn't know when to cut someone loose.
I see... well, even if we don't take the abomination at its word, there is still the fact that Marethari made repeated attempts to turn Merrill away from blood magic over the course of... 5-6 years? Now, it's true that this was Merrill's decision to make, but what other motivation could she possibly have had for this? Jealousy that Merrill might accomplish something she never did as a Keeper? Tbh I can't think of anything, and even the reason I just gave sounds kind of absurd... I also would not say that Marethari turned the clan against Merrill. She was a blood mage, and all Dalish know what blood mages are... the Keepers are so wary of Fade creatures that they supposedly don't normally work magic involving spirits. Unless Merrill's blood magic was a closely guarded secret, the clan would have found out what she was doing and come to their own conclusions about... most likely negative ones. Finally, the varterral quest was supposed to deter her from continuing along this path, since she was invoking a Dalish law that could not be overruled, even by the Keeper. Maybe she figured Merrill would be too afraid to fight the beast, or maybe she trusted Hawke and company to keep her safe... who knows. I don't think she made this request out of malice, however, hoping that she'd die as a result.
Keep in mind that Marethari was the one living in the demon's shadow for seven years. Who knows what sort of influence it might have had on her? Look at what happened to Lady Harriman. Also, Marethari explicitly cops to turning the clan against Merrill after you complete Mirror Image. As for the varterral... whether Marethari would have wanted Merrill to die at that point, I don't know, but it doesn't seem as though Merrill's death would have more of a bother than just assigning an easier task to get the arulin'hom; her priorities were already clearly being twisted. If you're concerned about someone else's mental health, "assign a lethal task virtually knowing that they're too dedicated to refuse" isn't what I'd expect from anyone whose care was genuine.
This why we should just kill all the Dalish, tbh. Don't even think about it. They're all obviously bad people who want to kill each other anyway.
Well when you think about it Ancient elves took their time to settle debates/come to an agreement. With that in Mind I can see why Marathari took her time.
This why we should just kill all the Dalish, tbh. Don't even think about it. They're all obviously bad people who want to kill each other anyway.
This guy gets it.
Once we've destroyed or subdued the Dalish we can work on getting the worthy elves a better lot in life.
Keep in mind that Marethari was the one living in the demon's shadow for seven years. Who knows what sort of influence it might have had on her? Look at what happened to Lady Harriman. Also, Marethari explicitly cops to turning the clan against Merrill after you complete Mirror Image. As for the varterral... whether Marethari would have wanted Merrill to die at that point, I don't know, but it doesn't seem as though Merrill's death would have more of a bother than just assigning an easier task to get the arulin'hom; her priorities were already clearly being twisted. If you're concerned about someone else's mental health, "assign a lethal task virtually knowing that they're too dedicated to refuse" isn't what I'd expect from anyone whose care was genuine.
Harriman was not an experienced Keeper whose culture specifically prohibits magic involving spirits. The Dalish do not have the luxury of Templars and Harrowings, and thus the Keepers must be carefully trained to resist demonic influences from the moment their magic is discovered. I don't believe that she would have been easily influenced by a demon, no matter how long she remained in proximity to it. Her behavior is also consistent for the first two Acts, but I will admit that we have no way of knowing what happened between the second and third Act due to those asinine time skips. Also, the varterral wasn't even that powerful... I mean, sure it was probably too much for the Dalish to handle, but Hawke and company were seasoned warriors at this point... it's not like it was that risky... do you think it would have been better if Marethari had simply given up and handed over the tool rather than make one last attempt to change Merril's mind? It seems to me that regardless of whether Marethari was right or wrong, all of this interference in the life of her former apprentice shows that she genuinely cared for her... unless you have a different motive for Marethari's actions?
I'm sure nothing helps prepare you to help people like systematic mass murder.This guy gets it.
Once we've destroyed or subdued the Dalish we can work on getting the worthy elves a better lot in life.
I'm sure nothing helps prepare you to help people like systematic mass murder.
It works for the Dalish...
its not murder its war against ignorance (bad joke i know)I'm sure nothing helps prepare you to help people like systematic mass murder.
Who have the Dalish mass murdered?It works for the Dalish...
I'm sure nothing helps prepare you to help people like systematic mass murder.
Come now putting down the LOLStupid segment of the population gives me sooo much more room to help the deserving segment of the population.
Besides we probably won't have to kill ALL of them, just the ones that are stupid enough to resist.
Who have the Dalish mass murdered?
They've killed occasional humans, but they prefer to wait it seems.
TME
You're not so strained for resources the Dalish are preventing you from doing something about the systematic oppression the City Elves face.Come now putting down the LOLStupid segment of the population gives me sooo much more room to help the deserving segment of the population.
Besides we probably won't have to kill ALL of them, just the ones that are stupid enough to resist.
TME
What? There's no Dalish systematically murdering people in that book.
I'm sure nothing helps prepare you to help people like systematic mass murder.
Harriman was not an experienced Keeper whose culture specifically prohibits magic involving spirits. The Dalish do not have the luxury of Templars and Harrowings, and thus the Keepers must be carefully trained to resist demonic influences from the moment their magic is discovered. I don't believe that she would have been easily influenced by a demon, no matter how long she remained in proximity to it. Her behavior is also consistent for the first two Acts, but I will admit that we have no way of knowing what happened between the second and third Act due to those asinine time skips. Also, the varterral wasn't even that powerful... I mean, sure it was probably too much for the Dalish to handle, but Hawke and company were seasoned warriors at this point... it's not like it was that risky... do you think it would have been better if Marethari had simply given up and handed over the tool rather than make one last attempt to change Merril's mind? It seems to me that regardless of whether Marethari was right or wrong, all of this interference in the life of her former apprentice shows that she genuinely cared for her... unless you have a different motive for Marethari's actions?
I'd say that the social poisoning is something of a jump away from her Act 1 characterization. And on motives, it seems quite probable that Marethari thought she cared for Merrill, but I think an objective investment in Merrill's future and desire to see her do well was warped by a determination to not be proven wrong in her prejudices toward the Eluvian. Whether it was demonically influenced or not, I'm unsure, but Marethari was more obsessed with stopping Merrill than Merrill ever was with rebuilding the Eluvian.
What? There's no Dalish systematically murdering people in that book.
An attempt at mass murder was.
You're not so strained for resources the Dalish are preventing you from doing something about the systematic oppression the City Elves face.
True but wiping out the Dalish and THEN instituting my reforms gives me those warm fuzzies. Destroying wandering bandits before working on social reform is basic realm security.
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