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#1351
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Not really. There is a whole skill about manipulating people, and if a person who lives for a few decades can master it than a demon who has been around for thousands of years certainly has had time to do so. And hey, if Audacity's plan to possess Marethari failed he would just possess Merrill. A win-win situation for him. Do we know Merrill is more powerful than Marethari? I don't recall ever hearing that. I'll grant you she is younger but that doesn't really matter to a demon. And he had been silent towards her for years. That's why Merrill wants to go to where Audacity was. 

Well, I was primarily going by game mechanics so I'll just drop the "who's more powerful" argument... this plan still seems awfully complicated, even for an ancient being.  I guess it's possible, and he'd probably get one or the other regardless of how it turned out... hm... maybe.  I guess I can't really disprove this theory...



#1352
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Funny, considering how this is a support thread for elves in general and it managed to attract quite a few anti-elf BSNers.  Besides, what makes you think that the same wouldn't apply to this thread?

Anti-Dalish Elf BSNers. there is a difference. :P

 

That's my point Anti Dalish hijack Dalish threads and Pro-Dalish hijack non Dalish Elf threads.


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#1353
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A number of us so called "anti-elf" posters are really just anti-dalish. We support city elves being used as human auxiliaries and would even consider them honorary humans for serving in the dalish counter-insurgency.

 

Did I name anyone in particular?  No.

 

Plus, you're basically saying that the elves should just become pointy-eared humans.



#1354
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Did I name anyone in particular?  No.

Nor can you. 

 

 

Plus, you're basically saying that the elves should just become pointy-eared humans.

I think he basically said CEs who kill Dalish are cool. Which they are. 



#1355
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Plus, you're basically saying that the elves should just become pointy-eared humans.

and why not?

 

if the choices are assimilation or extinction, it gets pretty easy



#1356
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*sprays fire extugusgher* lets be nice and enough of the anti-dalish maddness its been beaten like a sirlion steak.... imma go make that
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#1357
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Did I name anyone in particular?  No.

 

Plus, you're basically saying that the elves should just become pointy-eared humans.

Can I just say I really hate this phrase?



#1358
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Anti-Dalish Elf BSNers. there is a difference. :P

 

That's my point Anti Dalish hijack Dalish threads and Pro-Dalish hijack non Dalish Elf threads.

 

Since when is this a Dalish thread, exactly?  It's for elves in general.



#1359
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Did I name anyone in particular?  No.

 

Plus, you're basically saying that the elves should just become pointy-eared humans.

 

Precisely, they should assimilate into the winning team. The dalish are an evolutionary dead end(they're Thedas' Neanderthals basically) and after they're out of the way for good, humanity and the CEs will prosper further.



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enough of the anti-dalish maddness 

What a paradox. How can something be anti-Dalish and madness?


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#1361
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Sigh.

 

*sits down and chews on some bark or something*


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#1362
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Nor can you. 

 

* points to Warder *



#1363
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*sprays fire extugusgher* lets be nice and enough of the anti-dalish maddness its been beaten like a sirlion steak.... imma go make that

Elves don't have enough meat for a proper steak.



#1364
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Sigh.

 

*sits down and chews on some bark or something*

*joins but eats jerky instead*



#1365
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Harriman was not an experienced Keeper whose culture specifically prohibits magic involving spirits.  The Dalish do not have the luxury of Templars and Harrowings, and thus the Keepers must be carefully trained to resist demonic influences from the moment their magic is discovered.  I don't believe that she would have been easily influenced by a demon, no matter how long she remained in proximity to it.  Her behavior is also consistent for the first two Acts, but I will admit that we have no way of knowing what happened between the second and third Act due to those asinine time skips.  Also, the varterral wasn't even that powerful... I mean, sure it was probably too much for the Dalish to handle, but Hawke and company were seasoned warriors at this point... it's not like it was that risky... do you think it would have been better if Marethari had simply given up and handed over the tool rather than make one last attempt to change Merril's mind?  It seems to me that regardless of whether Marethari was right or wrong, all of this interference in the life of her former apprentice shows that she genuinely cared for her... unless you have a different motive for Marethari's actions?

 

I haven't read past this post, a few pages back, yet, but here's my take.

 

Merethari is the Keeper of the Clan. I get that she acted with the motive to help Merrill, and accept that. 

 

But it is my opinion she went about it all wrong. She fully admits that she told the clan that Merrill became a blood mage, and outright says that Merrill "will bring back the taint" through the eluvian that she is building from scratch, thus turning the clan against her. 

 

And then asks her to return after admitting to slandering Merrill's name. 

 

She doesn't give a reason in Act 1, she barely knows Hawke and only asks us to take Merrill with us. Merrill says that she can be a face in the crowd in the alienage so she won't be easy prey there. In Act 2, Merethari says that Merrill will bring back the taint, and that the eluvian in the Brecilian forest cost them two hunters. Merrill also brings it up. If the Warden is Dalish, Merrill will admit that she originally wanted to find Tamlen through it. 

 

But Merethari also refuses to look into any lore, which another clan had as they had a book all about eluvians, which Morrigan stole in Witch Hunt, saying that the ancients wanted the technology lost, without a lick of proof to back up such a claim.

 

Then in Act 3, as an abomination, says that Merrill would summon a demon, which was already sundered from the Fade by the way, and said demon possessing Merethari then tries to trick Merrill into thinking Merethari was cured, and if Hawke falls for it, stabs Merrill. 

 

Merethari's reasons for opposing the eluvians change over the course of the game, and that makes her lose credibility. Her actions also put the clan at risk.

 

Yes, she cared for Merrill. But as the Keeper, her duty was to her clan first and to Merrill second. 

 

It is my belief that Merethari had skewed priorities and her experience with the eluvian in the Brecilian Forest made her not trust them at all to the point she didn't want to do any research on them. She put Merrill over her duty to the clan, did not do the research, and as such, does not have the credibility to tell Hawke or Merrill what will or will not happen. 



#1366
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This thread makes me sad with all the Dalish hate. Never really seen them as being that horrible a people.
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#1367
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* points to Warder *

 

 

Anti Elf nonsense?!

I applaud the efforts taken by humanity to take in the elves!

Try again. 



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So, has the thread calmed down no-..... 

 

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Well I guess it was futile to hope for positivity lol


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#1369
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Sigh. *sits down and chews on some bark or something*

*takes a long drag on cig and decieds to watch the maddness*
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So, has the thread calmed down no-..... 

 

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Well I guess it was futile to hope for positivity lol

Join me and Snook*offers jerky*


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#1371
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This thread makes me sad with all the Dalish hate. Never really seen them as being that horrible people.

 

I can't say I really hate anyone or anything in the setting with any of the passion I see around the forums here.

 

Meh. 


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#1372
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I can't say I really hate anyone or anything in the setting with any of the passion I see around the forums here.

 

Meh. 

Most of the "hate" I see is more disappointment at not betting to play a city efl.  But that's just my $0.02.



#1373
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Sigh.

 

*sits down and chews on some bark or something*

 

eww why chew on bark.

 

Least get some Twizzlers. Or beef jerky.

 

anyway I just want CEs to be able to live among humans without the hurr durr go to the alienage or we'll burn your house down crapola.



#1374
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I can't say I really hate anyone or anything in the setting with any of the passion I see around the forums here.

 

Meh. 

I don't hate the Dalish I just disagree with some posters views about them.

*offers jerky*



#1375
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I can't say I really hate anyone or anything in the setting with any of the passion I see around the forums here. Meh.

its odd to see the hate for a fictional race.