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[The Baconer]

Except, outside of Tevinter, Elves aren't slaves. 

 

Of course, they can become slaves at a moment's notice, at someone's behest. The slave trade is a rather lucrative market, after all.

[Xilizhra]

It's always nice to move the goal post to improve accuracy. As to the question, I want the leaders of a country to lead. That's their jobs. If the that's nobles, yes. If it's not, no. Should an elf be able to marry into a noble family or earn a noble title, yes. That's what it means to be equal, as opposed to tipping the scales.  

But not, apparently, keepers, which you have a problem with for some reason.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Knowing their luck though they'd probably end up bumping into something like the original humans that opted to stay rather than migrate into Thedas proper. *insert critical mission failure theme here*

 

...and they end up being really cool guys actually, and they smoke a lot of elfroot together for a few centuries. 

 

/optimism

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I just choked XD

 

Damnit Admiral!

 

They are pretty much pulling a Shepard but without Shep's trademark get out of jail free cards to save the day XD

 

Happy to help.

 

Inquisitor: Stop attacking the Humans! Their reinforcements are about to arrive!

Dalish Leader: Ignore that! Keep firing!

*Cue cutscene of the Dalish army being utterly destroyed by human reinforcements*

 

Inquisitor: It's funny I thought I would care... but I just can't be bothered.

[Seboist]

Of course, they can become slaves at a moment's notice, at someone's behest. The slave trade is a rather lucrative market, after all.

 

This made me realize something, selling off Dalish POWs to Tevinter as slaves could be a good way to pay off war debt.

[TheJediSaint]

As I said before in this thread, I'd rather be an elf in Tevinter than one in an Andrastian country. At least in Tevinter elves can be rich and/or be members of the ruling class[ even if only in some small fashion], as opposed to the the 'good' countries where elves get their houses burned down for buying property outside the alienage. 

1. Tevinter is Andrastian.

2. Most Elves are Slaves.

3. Slave are often used for experiments (Fenris) or used as blood batteries (Oriana's father).  

 

Tevinter is just about the worst place in Thedas for an elf to advanced, save the Deep Roads.

[Br3admax]

But not, apparently, keepers, which you have a problem with for some reason.

Keepers are mages, and therefore a danger. Magic is too powerful to be allowed loose in a populated area, as opposed to a few huts. And since every Keeper we've seen so far has proved they are as much a danger to themselves as others, I don't think they should go unsupervised. 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Tevinter is just about the worst place in Thedas for an Elf to advanced, save the Deep Roads.

 

Lies! Darkspawn are the most inclusive people in Thedas!

[Jedi Master of Orion]

No there isn't. It's the very first thing you learn when playing human in Dragon Age Origins. It's the first thing you tell Morrigan.

 

I honestly don't know what you're talking about here.

 

Except they aren't the same thing, and have nothing to do with each other besides being elves. It's also cool how you're singling out a poster just because he's on BSN without actually knowing more about him or his stance on anything. 

 

They are both extreme positions. And both anti-elven. If the former is popular, then there's no reason to think that the latter would be somehow considered too  outrageous for BSN. Plus Seboist's comment still sounded like the true value of a City Elf is that they can be exactly like humans and not like their own culture. That's what "assimilate to the winning team" and "becoming humans with pointy ears" sounds like. He also hates Dalish and believes that the elves should not be independent of human rule.

 

Who said anything about genocide? After the dalish are fully routed militarily and disarmed, they'll be assimilated into humanity/CEs. 

 

A better future awaits them.

 

I wasn't talking just about you here. There's loads of "Kill all Dalish! Yay!!!" posts earlier in the thread. But concerning your point, since poverty stricken and repressed City Elves are much worse off than wandering Dalish Clans, then there's no reason to think this.

[Shadow Fox]

Knowing their luck though they'd probably end up bumping into something like the original humans that opted to stay rather than migrate into Thedas proper. *insert critical mission failure theme here*

Worse they're these guys:

[Xilizhra]

Keepers are mages, and therefore a danger. Magic is too powerful to be allowed loose in a populated area, as opposed to a few huts. And since every Keeper we've seen so far has proved they are as much a danger to themselves as others, I don't think they should go unsupervised. 

Your opinion is noted. It's not, however, much incentive to give the Dalish to merge with humans and follow what would seem to be the Chantry's rules on magic.

[Xilizhra]

Worse they're these guys:

Oh, the ones who are actually elf dupes? No problem, then.

[The Baconer]

Semantics. Such things don't happen on a grand scale. 

 

The Orlesian Civil War is pretty grand.

[SamanthaJ]

Lies! Darkspawn are the most inclusive people in Thedas!

You aren't wrong.

 

Spoiler

[Daerog]

1. Tevinter is Andrastian.

2. Most Elves are Slaves.

3. Slave are often used for experiments (Fenris) or used as blood batteries (Oriana's father).  

 

Tevinter is just about the worst place in Thedas for an elf to advanced, save the Deep Roads.

 

Unless that elf is a powerful mage and doesn't care about elvenhood, then it is fine.

[KaiserShep]

I think the elven race is pretty much doomed. They're outstripped in just about every way possible, and the dominant species will simply encroach upon them until they're no more or are just an obscure lot dwindling in the woods, resorting to inbreeding to keep their numbers up.

[Drasanil]

It's not though. The poster in question said that he wants elves to finally join human society as equals. 

 

Sorry, I kind of missed out on that part. But still, claiming CEs are successfully co-existing with humans is pretty much a farce. They might want to, after all Pol mentions that as far as most CEs are concerned the only difference between them and humans is how much money they have. But in practice that is clearly not the case. 

 

I think the best case in point for all of this are the Canticles of Shartan, the Chantry jumped at the chance to remove them at the first opportunity they got, instead of being sensible and using them and Shartan's legacy to actually try to integrate the elves... which is ironically what they had been trying to do all along by sending missionaries to the Dales.  

[Br3admax]

The Orlesian Civil War is pretty grand.

No it's not. It's the same group using their power for...different purposes. The common man is still caught in the middle. 

[Xilizhra]

I think the elven race is pretty much doomed. They're outstripped in just about every way possible, and the dominant species will simply encroach upon them until they're no more or are just an obscure lot dwindling in the woods, resorting to inbreeding to keep their numbers up.

The genetics issue was explicitly caused by magic. That can be fixed. It may help a lot.

[Icy Magebane]

Your opinion is noted. It's not, however, much incentive to give the Dalish to merge with humans and follow what would seem to be the Chantry's rules on magic.

I'm not sure anybody is really expecting or even asking the Dalish to join human society... this is more about the city elves, and they don't have Keepers in the first place.  The Dalish are uncooperative by nature... obviously they wouldn't have any desire to become a part of any existing nation.

[Ryzaki]

Happy to help.

 

Inquisitor: Stop attacking the Humans! Their reinforcements are about to arrive!

Dalish Leader: Ignore that! Keep firing!

*Cue cutscene of the Dalish army being utterly destroyed by human reinforcements*

 

Inquisitor: It's funny I thought I would care... but I just can't be bothered.

 

Man that describes my Shepard to a T during that scene. That and "goddamnit I'm done. I've told you ****** three times by now to knock it off. I'm done. That's it. You made your bed."

 

And then Tali jumped off a cliff and my Shepard just shrugged and went "I'm not even mad tho..."

[Xilizhra]

I'm not sure anybody is really expecting or even asking the Dalish to join human society... this is more about the city elves, and they don't have Keepers in the first place.  The Dalish are uncooperative by nature... obviously they wouldn't have any desire to become a part of any existing nation.

I'd much rather invite as many city elves as possible to join the Dalish. We need both backup and the ability to undermine human societies by stripping their cheap labor pool.

[Br3admax]

Your opinion is noted. It's not, however, much incentive to give the Dalish to merge with humans and follow what would seem to be the Chantry's rules on magic.

That's cool. I'm completely okay with Dalish clans wiping themselves out, one Keeper at a time. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

They just refuse to let it go admit they lost. Grumbling about it will surely get them Aralthan back. Somehow.

 

I guess they expect to find Dragon Age's version of the Crucible and it'll instantly kill all those pesky humans on their lands. Or something. I'm not sure what their gameplan is.

 

But it doesn't even have to be about that. The life they have now is better than the life the City Elves have. Why wouldn't they want to keep things they way they are if the alternative is worse? How long do you think it will be from the present day in the Dragon Age that the human nations offer elves equal rights? Why wouldn't the Dalish Clans want to spend the time it takes for that to happen on their own?

[KaiserShep]

The genetics issue was explicitly caused by magic. That can be fixed. It may help a lot.

 

The genetics bit doesn't really matter that much. What does matter is that you have a dominant life form vs. a subservient one. Even if magic can fix this issue, it can't fix being surrounded by human-led civilization.

 

I'd much rather invite as many city elves as possible to join the Dalish. We need both backup and the ability to undermine human societies by stripping their cheap labor pool.

 

This isn't exactly something I can see being particularly successful. As bad as city elves may have it throughout Thedas, simply "going native" with the Dalish en masse isn't really a feasible option. A few can do it, but most probably wouldn't, unless certain circumstances forced them to do it.