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[TheLittleBird]

We have never seen or heard of any other individual or culture with the facial tattoos. Therefore it is logical to conclude that the practice is limited to the extant Dalish or perhaps the extinct Arlathan elves as well.

 

Except for it isn't logical. You can make the assumption, sure, but not the conclusion. For all we know, a group of Dalish exiles could have given some farmer they stumbled on vallaslin. Maybe Felassan threatened some Dalish and ordered him to give him the vallaslin. Maybe he cast an illusion.

[Steelcan]

Except for it isn't logical. You can make the assumption, sure, but not the conclusion. For all we know, a group of Dalish exiles could have given some farmer they stumbled on vallaslin. Maybe Felassan threatened some Dalish and ordered him to give him the vallaslin. Maybe he cast an illusion.

. That's pure speculation. We have no hard evidence for non Dalish using them.

[TheLittleBird]

. That's pure speculation. We have no hard evidence for non Dalish using them.

 

Indeed we don't. But that doesn't mean it can't be a possibility, right?

[TheEternalStudent]

We have never seen or heard of any other individual or culture with the facial tattoos. Therefore it is logical to conclude that the practice is limited to the extant Dalish or perhaps the extinct Arlathan elves as well.

This is why there is a connection, I'm not suggesting parallel development, rather a common ancestor.
Also, there is reason to suspect his having first-hand experience to historical events that would be most easily explained by his being an immortal Arlathan Elf.
Which means he would have tattoos but not be Dalish.

[Rivaini Rogue]

If you don't like Elves in the dragon age universe you're a racist, there I said it.

[Patchwork]

Do we know for a fact that Arlathan elves wore tattoos? 

I can't help but picture that lot as Tolkien elves. 

 

Felassan's vassalin could be non-dalish, Briala wouldn't know dalish tattoos from chasind ones. 

[Steelcan]

If you don't like Elves in the dragon age universe you're a racist, there I said it.

. Now were getting somewhere

[Br3admax]

If you don't like Elves in the dragon age universe you're a racist, there I said it.

I am. I think every race is superior to pixels and concepts. 

[Mistic]

No that adds up quite nicely. At least in the absence of any other cultures using the same tattoos.

 

Or Felassan could have been a spy for a lot of time, and the only way not to arise suspicion among the Dalish was to pretend he was one of them, so that's a person taking advantage of Dalish assumptions to blend in. It's nothing new in Thedas; it's been stated that Qunari elven spies may sell themselves back as slaves to infiltrate the Imperium. Accepting to have some tattoos is actually a minor sacrifice in comparison.

 

Seriously, why are we looking for other clans or cultures to have Dalish tattoos when we are talking about a spy who was working for the Big Bad?

[Cainhurst Crow]

I think its clear that the Dalish are circling the drain. And if they were capable of such magic, you'd think they'd have used it when Arlathan fell, or the Dales. Seems to me that if they had a last resort trump card they'd have played it by now.

Like summoning a super demon to try and fight the humans or...oh wait...imshael. ...riiiiiiiiight.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Indeed we don't. But that doesn't mean it can't be a possibility, right?

Abscence of evidence is not evidence in most cases.

[Cainhurst Crow]

If you don't like Elves in the dragon age universe you're a racist, there I said it.

Thank you dear, im proud of you. - Air Control, Do you know what does it mean?

[Icy Magebane]

Did elves start using vassalin after the fall of the Dales or before?

 

I could definitely see Felassan's clan as a group that chose a different path to wondering nomad or human servant. 

Well, Sarel specifically mentioned that the elves "emblazoned the symbols of the Creators" on their faces after the fall of the Dales as an act of rebellion and a symbol of unified purpose... I don't think that was ever part of Arlathan's culture.  If it was, there would have been no reason to mention that in the oral history of the Dalish.

[Eveangaline]

I want to find out more about wtf the varteralls deal is. Giant spider-dragon thing that's supposed to protect elven historical places? How'd they do that?

[TheEternalStudent]

I want to find out more about wtf the varteralls deal is. Giant spider-dragon thing that's supposed to protect elven historical places? How'd they do that?

I'd suggest you look on the wiki, the only sources that discuss them are Dalish, and they attribute their creation to one of their gods, but even then only one and we know of at least two.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I want to find out more about wtf the varteralls deal is. Giant spider-dragon thing that's supposed to protect elven historical places? How'd they do that?

Pretty much the elven equivalent of golems I suppose.

[CrimsonN7]

 

I love the elves too! I'm sad we couldn't be an elf in DA2. The DAO elf backgrounds were fun. We got three! It was too awesome. 

 

I like elves too, very much.  Now I'm gonna duck out, hoping a Shem hasn't stolen my seat which I got up out of to make this post.

[KaiserShep]

A. This is only if the only other alternative is extinction, and B. I only said it after so much of the opposition wouldn't shut up about genocide.

In the scenario I suggested, the elves would not be dying out as a result of violent overtaking, but simply an inability to regain control over enough land and resources to increase their numbers to near the level of humans. There is no aggressive action they could take that would help that.

[Tevinter Rose]

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[Lulupab]

^

Is that multiplayer class/spec?

[Mistic]

So according to DA:I multiplayer, a Dalish Keeper should have learnt Dispel, Barrier, Fade Step and Chain Lightning.

 

The ironic part? Ok, we still don't know much about Fade Step, and Chain Lightning is a good old Primal spell, but Dispel is an honest Spirit School spell in DA:O as well as in DA2. Barrier was a spell from DA2 from what they called "Arcane", although that line of spells shared many similarities with the Telekinesis line of spells in DA:O (which were Spirit School too).

 

So much for WoT saying that "Dalish mages do not use any magic involving spirits". Guess that it's a tradition as respected as the official ban on blood magic in Tevinter.

[Lulupab]

So according to DA:I multiplayer, a Dalish Keeper should have learnt Dispel, Barrier, Fade Step and Chain Lightning.
 
The ironic part? Ok, we still don't know much about Fade Step, and Chain Lightning is a good old Primal spell, but Dispel is an honest Spirit School spell in DA:O as well as in DA2. Barrier was a spell from DA2 from what they called "Arcane", although that line of spells shared many similarities with the Telekinesis line of spells in DA:O (which were Spirit School too).
 
So much for WoT saying that "Dalish mages do not use any magic involving spirits". Guess that it's a tradition as respected as the official ban on blood magic in Tevinter.

Spirit magic is different than using magic involving spirits. Templar's holy smite in both games deal spirit damage too. Spirit magic seems to be the essence of magic itself, no element, simply magic. Fade step however seems conflicting.

[Mistic]

Spirit magic is different than using magic involving spirits. Templar's holy smite in both games deal spirit damage too. Spirit magic seems to be the essence of magic itself, no element, simply magic. Fade step however seems conflicting.

 

Mm, good call. I've checked the definition of the Spirit School in the codex entry and you're right. "Students of this school cover everything from direct manipulation of mana and spell energies to the study and summoning of spirits themselves."

[Eveangaline]

I'd suggest you look on the wiki, the only sources that discuss them are Dalish, and they attribute their creation to one of their gods, but even then only one and we know of at least two.

 

I know all the lore about it that's been said in the games, I know it's premise, I want more information to find out what exactly they do all the time and the specifics of their creation.