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[Xilizhra]

Just my thoughts on the elven situation:

 

For the Dalish, I admire their desire to recapture their lost history, but question the lengths to which they will go to uncover it. Summoning a Forbidden One was not a good idea, and now as a result, we have an extremely powerful upper level demon running around Thedas unchecked.

Also, for some of the Dalish, I find it very irritating how easily they can dismiss their City elf brethren and treat them like crap.

 

I'm much more in line with the City elves, cause for a lot of them, they are treated like crap, day in and day out, and most of them keep on trucking despite the adversity.

The city elves also have every bit of the unpleasant baggage that human commoners have in terms of their own xenophobia and magophobia, so that strips off a fair few points for me. I find more things to admire about Dalish society.

[Ryzaki]

I'm much more in line with the City elves, cause for a lot of them, they are treated like crap, day in and day out, and most of them keep on trucking despite the adversity.

 

Yep it's that underdog vibe that I sympathize with. They get crapped on massively yet still go on.

 

It's why I want to help them (also play as them)

[Hellion Rex]

The city elves also have every bit of the unpleasant baggage that human commoners have in terms of their own xenophobia and magophobia, so that strips off a fair few points for me. I find more things to admire about Dalish society.

I disagree. In the Masked Empire, at least, the elves of Halamshiral revere their Dalish counterparts, and will often run into the Dales in the hopes of escaping to join the Dalish, so I'm not seeing that much xenophobia from City elves. Neither am I seeing any magophobia against the Dalish either, since the City elves have their own apostates as well.

[Hellion Rex]

Yep it's that underdog vibe that I sympathize with. They get crapped on massively yet still go on.

 

It's why I want to help them (also play as them)

Sigh...City elf Templar...such a wasted opportunity.

[Icy Magebane]

Sigh...City elf Templar...such a wasted opportunity.

*sigh* Must you remind me of that...   That was exactly my plan when they first told us we could play as elves... then the Dalish bombshell hit weeks later... (edit:  actually I guess I shouldn't complain since the Dalish warrior I came up with turned out to be pretty interesting... plus it will be nice to play as a character who has no real interest in this mage vs. Templar business, so there's that...)

[Xilizhra]

I disagree. In the Masked Empire, at least, the elves of Halamshiral revere their Dalish counterparts, and will often run into the Dales in the hopes of escaping to join the Dalish, so I'm not seeing that much xenophobia from City elves. Neither am I seeing any magophobia against the Dalish either, since the City elves have their own apostates as well.

The city elves in Ferelden consider the Dalish dubious at best, and there's no indication that the city elves treat mages any better than humans do.

[Ryzaki]

Sigh...City elf Templar...such a wasted opportunity.

 

That would've been epic.

 

[Xilizhra]

That would've been epic.

 

Why?

[CuriousArtemis]

I really wanted to play as a city elf and also a Circle elven mage. Sigh. Mainly just so I could have three reasons (plus Dalish playthrough) to play as an elf But I'm satisfied at getting to play as Dalish It's nice the elven mage is also Dalish this time around, but then again, I basically have the same origin story as my Dalish rogue. It's okay though; hoping the CC gives me ample opportunity to create very distinct and different characters, plus there's the different voice options

[Mistic]

I disagree. In the Masked Empire, at least, the elves of Halamshiral revere their Dalish counterparts, and will often run into the Dales in the hopes of escaping to join the Dalish, so I'm not seeing that much xenophobia from City elves. Neither am I seeing any magophobia against the Dalish either, since the City elves have their own apostates as well.

 

Well, to be honest, only two City Elves mention the Dalish at all. Once when the owner ot he burnt building describes Felassan to Gaspard and the other one was in Halamshiral... talking to Felassan himself, angry that they were going to kill one miserable noble instead of helping the rebellion more. It's Briala the one who almost worships the Dalish, only to discover that they were as flawed as everyone else in the crappy Thedosian world.

 

A better proof of less xenophobia among City Elves would actually be the presence of humans born of elven mothers in the Alienage. When Lemet (a city elf in Halamshiral) suggested a friend could be in trouble when talking about the Dales (not the Dalish, mind you), Thren mentioned that the tavern was full of elves so there was no problem. When Lemet silently pointed out that there were others too, Thren said:

 

"Fine. A few flat-ears, but you know what I mean. You're going to blame Gestan and Thale because their mothers got friendly with some noble and popped-out a half-blood? It’s not like they get to live in the nice part of town just because they look human. Nobody in there is going to carry tales back to the nobles about the elves talking about back when they ruled this city."

 

It seems that for City Elves the most important thing is that their neighbours share their fate. That would explain why they don't have (many) problems with half-bloods or Dalish living among them in the alienages.

[Br3admax]

Morally, nothing, but if you want to identify with the faith, you don't play as those who left it.

Can you not think for yourself? The CE Warden can do whatever they want to. 

 

Why?

Why wouldn't it? 

[Br3admax]

Except use dialogue options relating to the Dalish gods.

Nope. You can still support that. 

[TheTurtle]

If the elves ever do get around to reclaiming the Dales I don't think the Dalish will be involved much and in the best scenario they aren't leaders in the new elven society.

Most of the work would be done by city elves who not only have the numbers, but also the attitude that would help them keep the lands. I don't think many city elves would like being told what to do by a bunch of forest nomads who never had to live through what they did. There's also the fact that humans have more in common with City elves and while they wouldn't like it they wouldn't be nearly as hostile compared to if it was a Dalish run government.

I know this has nothing to do with the current discussion, but it was in my head and I needed somwhere to put it

[Xilizhra]

Nope. You can still support that. 

Can you, now? Because in all of the dialogue options I recall that the Dalish can use that mention the Creators (like at the Redcliffe funeral), a city elf cannot.

[HiroVoid]

*Character dies*

 

*Dalish Inquisitor automatically tells grieved their loved ones is with the maker now*

[Master Warder Z_]

*Character dies*

 

*Dalish Inquisitor automatically tells grieved their loved ones is with the maker now*

 

This should happen.

[Xilizhra]

*Character dies*

 

*Dalish Inquisitor automatically tells grieved their loved ones is with the maker now*

Actually, this isn't completely out of line for a diplomatic Inquisitor if it was an Andrastian who died.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Hi everyone. Please do not discuss real world history, politics, or religion so we can keep this thread open. Thank you.

 

But why? Complimenting the game on how close it parrallels real world issues should be a good thing,  no?

[HiroVoid]

Can't wait to make my Dalish Templar whose tired of mages always leading the clans and believes templar-type training could prepare elves to deal with a situation where a Dalish mage uses their power for abuse or turns into a demon.

[Icy Magebane]

Can't wait to make my Dalish Templar whose tired of mages always leading the clans and believes templar-type training could prepare elves to deal with a situation where a Dalish mage uses their power for abuse or turns into a demon.

That's not bad actually...

[Hellion Rex]

Can't wait to make my Dalish Templar whose tired of mages always leading the clans and believes templar-type training could prepare elves to deal with a situation where a Dalish mage uses their power for abuse or turns into a demon.

Ooooo, that sounds like a fun one to play!

[Cainhurst Crow]

Can't wait to make my Dalish Templar whose tired of mages always leading the clans and believes templar-type training could prepare elves to deal with a situation where a Dalish mage uses their power for abuse or turns into a demon.

 

Does bring up the question though. How much agency will the player have on their character? I want to play an elf who defects from the dalish eventually, but I'd find it hard to do if all my dialouge makes me have to spout out about the creators and dalish superiority all the time.

[Master Warder Z_]

Got to get dat lyrium.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

That's not bad actually...

 

Self-hating Dalish is best Dalish.