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[Ceoldoren]

Hopefully this thread doesn't veer into arguing.

 

I like elves, but I really don't care for the Dalish so I don't think I'll ever be making an Elven PC. They just seem so arrogant and cruel.

[dragonflight288]

define depravity? I dont mind having a elven lover+others, tobacco, and booze. But i rarly go out of my way to offend(i do cause my humor is deadpanned unless dirty)

 

[Steelcan]

If the only alternative to their situation is to let themselves be more persecuted than they are (ala the City Elves), then it's the situation is not their fault. It's the fault of the would be oppressor.

Still their fault that they exit on the fringes of Thedas society.

 

The alternative may be worse, but it is there

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Not quite what I meant. The Dalish have a set of beliefs, that are set, but are unique to them. The City elf may be a peasant class, but a lot of their dialogue may be the exact same as a human's dialogue because they would have the same religious beliefs. The Dalish have the Creators, an entire mythos on spirits, and approach to them, than the Chantry and the Circle mages do, and in a dialogue with Anders, possibly even more realistic. 

 

Merrill: All spirits are dangerous. I'm sorry you didn't know this.

 

In terms of roleplaying them, considering we'll have dialogue options, playing a Dalish will offer more options to the players overall. 

Ah, I see what you meant now. Sorry for misunderstanding. 

 

As for dialogue options, we'll never know which would provide more options. 

[raging_monkey]

Hopefully this thread doesn't veer into arguing. I like elves, but I really don't care for the Dalish so I don't think I'll ever be making an Elven PC.

understamdable dont worry most of us are calm and reasonable

[Zjarcal]

A Dalish that supports the Dalish.

 

A Dalish that supports elves in general.

 

A Dalish who supports the City Elves and thinks their own people are a bunch of pricks. 

 

A Dalish who supports neither.

 

A Dalish who really doesn't care either way and just wants to kill stuff and things.

 

...could go on.

 

Stahp it with your variety, must conform to the standardz all the time.

[JAZZ_LEG3ND]

define depravity?

The willful corruption of one's morality. Traditionally it's thought of as more serious than internet trolling, because traditionally psychological bashing isn't taken seriously. But in an enlightened world I think the application of depraved, as a condition, is context sensitive.

And no, I don't think offending someone is remotely depraved, deliberate or otherwise. Persistent abuse, however, very much is. Internet trolls typically love to abuse, and they’re very persistent. Whether there’s anyone with that kind of condition around here I don't know, haven't been active long enough, but now I feel like I’m side-tracking.

Elves are cool.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Still their fault that they exit on the fringes of Thedas society.

 

The alternative may be worse, but it is there

 

But they exist on the fringes of society because of the situation created by humans. It would be like saying the fact that the City Elves are also to blame for their own situation by accepting it and living in human cities, the alternative may be worse (rebelling and being brutally crushed).

[Willowhugger]

But they exist on the fringes of society because of the situation created by humans. It would be like saying the fact that the City Elves are also to blame for their own situation by accepting it and living in human cities, the alternative may be worse (rebelling and being brutally crushed).

 

Socio-geopolitics in Thedas are complex--which is part of why I like it.

[LobselVith8]

Not quite what I meant. The Dalish have a set of beliefs, that are set, but are unique to them. The City elf may be a peasant class, but a lot of their dialogue may be the exact same as a human's dialogue because they would have the same religious beliefs. The Dalish have the Creators, an entire mythos on spirits, and approach to them, than the Chantry and the Circle mages do, and in a dialogue with Anders, possibly even more realistic. 

 

Merrill: All spirits are dangerous. I'm sorry you didn't know this.

 

In terms of roleplaying them, considering we'll have dialogue options, playing a Dalish will offer more options to the players overall. 

 

I agree. The opportunity to play as a Dalish provides a break from the Andrastian point of view, and allows the player to delve into another culture and other perspectives that aren't possible as an Andrastian elf. A Dalish (mage or hunter) who speaks elvish, believes magic is a gift of the Creators, is familiar with the lore on Elvhenan and the Eternal City, and follows the Creators, is fundamentally different than an Andrastian elf who follows the Maker.

[Steelcan]

But they exist on the fringes of society because of the situation created by humans. It would be like saying the fact that the City Elves are also to blame for their own situation by accepting it and living in human cities, the alternative may be worse (rebelling and being brutally crushed).

They are still able to cease living on the fringes anytime they wish and walk into an alienage. 

 

And City Elves can leave and join the Dalish as we have seen

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

I'm an elf supporter, although tbh, half-elf was my favorite race. Sadly, they don't exist in Thedas (somehow, elf + human = human?), so city elf is the next best thing.

[dragonflight288]

I'm an elf supporter, although tbh, half-elf was my favorite race. Sadly, they don't exist in Thedas (somehow, elf + human = human?), so city elf is the next best thing.

 

Not Elf+Dwarf? lol. 

[TheEternalStudent]

I agree. The opportunity to play as a Dalish provides a break from the Andrastian perspective, and allows the player to delve into another culture and other perspectives that aren't possible as an Andrastian elf. A Dalish (mage or hunter) who speaks elvish, believes magic is a gift of the Creators, is familiar with the lore on Elvhenan and the Eternal City, and follows the Creators, is fundamentally different than an Andrastian elf who follows the Maker.

The elves don't speak elvish.
Finn was more familiar with some elven lore than Ariane, they've lost most of their language.

[raging_monkey]

The willful corruption of one's morality. Traditionally it's thought of as more serious than internet trolling, because traditionally psychological bashing isn't taken seriously. But in an enlightened world I think the application of depraved, as a condition, is context sensitive.And no, I don't think offending someone is remotely depraved, deliberate or otherwise. Persistent abuse, however, very much is. Internet trolls typically love to abuse, and they’re very persistent. Whether there’s anyone with that kind of condition around here I don't know, haven't been active long enough, but now I feel like I’m side-tracking.Elves are cool.

my morality is loose at best so probably im bordering it. At times it helps me see where the dalish arguements come from since i have 1or2 shared views. If you dont wanna fight avoid humans if possible

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

I agree. The opportunity to play as a Dalish provides a break from the Andrastian point of view, and allows the player to delve into another culture and other perspectives that aren't possible as an Andrastian elf. A Dalish (mage or hunter) who speaks elvish, believes magic is a gift of the Creators, is familiar with the lore on Elvhenan and the Eternal City, and follows the Creators, is fundamentally different than an Andrastian elf who follows the Maker.

I like how you say it is a break from the Andrastrian point of view and yet we've never had to be Andrastrian. 

[Steelcan]

Here's an honest question to the elf fans out there

 

 

Do you worry that the elves are going to get a short stick when it comes to being able to voice what you'd like?

 

We know the game was originally designed around a human inquisitor, presumably based around the same "origin" we get as humans, ie closely knit to the Circle and Chantry.  Therefore I am somewhat skeptical that the non-andrastians such as Tal Vashoth and Dalish are going to get shafted in being able to portray their non-andrastian views.

[BronzTrooper]

Still their fault that they exit on the fringes of Thedas society.

 

The alternative may be worse, but it is there

 

It's not like with the dwarves where if they gave up the caste system entirely they would be better off.  Many humans are antagonistic towards the Dalish and/or elves in general and thus the Dalish are sort of forced to keep moving and stay on the fringes of human society.  Not to mention that the Templars are willing to kill an entire clan just to capture their Keeper and/or First, not to mention any mages hiding amongst them.  Even if they gave up their culture (as quite a few Dalish have) they would likely be ostracized by the city elves and, possibly, singled out for abuse at the hands of the more racist humans.  For many Dalish, staying on the fringes of human society is better than giving up their culture.

[Ceoldoren]

Here's an honest question to the elf fans out there

 

 

Do you worry that the elves are going to get a short stick when it comes to being able to voice what you'd like?

 

We know the game was originally designed around a human inquisitor, presumably based around the same "origin" we get as humans, ie closely knit to the Circle and Chantry.  Therefore I am somewhat skeptical that the non-andrastians such as Tal Vashoth and Dalish are going to get shafted in being able to portray their non-andrastian views.

Their less likely to get the short end than Dwarves, so that's something.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Stahp it with your variety, must conform to the standardz all the time.

 

Alright, I'll try.

 

*clears throat*

 

Spoiler

 

What the **** did you just ****ing say about me, you little shemlen? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Dalish Hunters, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on human settlements, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top archer in my entire clan. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the **** out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on Thedas, mark my ****ing words. You think you can get away with saying those racist slurs to me via carrier pigeon? Think again, ****er. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of scouts across Orlais and your messages are being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, shemlen. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re ****ing dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the assembled clans, and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little ****. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your ****ing tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will s*** fury all over you, and you will drown in it. You’re ****ing dead, shem.

 

 

RAH SHEMLEN

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Not Elf+Dwarf? lol. 

Sponge + Starfish = Scallop. 

[raging_monkey]

Here's an honest question to the elf fans out there  Do you worry that the elves are going to get a short stick when it comes to being able to voice what you'd like? We know the game was originally designed around a human inquisitor, presumably based around the same "origin" we get as humans, ie closely knit to the Circle and Chantry.  Therefore I am somewhat skeptical that the non-andrastians such as Tal Vashoth and Dalish are going to get shafted in being able to portray their non-andrastian views.

i dont fear ill be shafted during a elf playthroigh because BW had a year and half to add on plus they said each race gets equal content

[LobselVith8]

The elves don't speak elvish.
Finn was more familiar with some elven lore than Ariane, they've lost most of their language.

 

The Dalish speak some elvish, as we hear the Dalish use a number of elvish terms along with the Common Tongue, and Merrill even refers to a romanced Hawke with an elvish term of endearment.

 

As for Finn, you're conflating his familiarity with a single word with the entirety of the language, and that's only possible because the Circle took a number of elven artifacts and tomes after the fall of the Dales.

[Steelcan]

It's not like with the dwarves where if they gave up the caste system entirely they would be better off.  Many humans are antagonistic towards the Dalish and/or elves in general and thus the Dalish are sort of forced to keep moving and stay on the fringes of human society.  Not to mention that the Templars are willing to kill an entire clan just to capture their Keeper and/or First, not to mention any mages hiding amongst them.  Even if they gave up their culture (as quite a few Dalish have) they would likely be ostracized by the city elves and, possibly, singled out for abuse at the hands of the more racist humans.  For many Dalish, staying on the fringes of human society is better than giving up their culture.

And I can sympathize with that, but it is still their responsibility for remaining on the edges of society.

 

Since they can in fact join city elf society at any given time, perhaps they may face ostracism and such but that is not the point, they can be blamed for maintaining their lives at the periphery of life.

[Zjarcal]

*glorious hatoful gorilla snip*

 

All I read was gorilla warfare and now I'm sold.

 

I demand gorilla warfare specialization.