Yes, Hawke did that, but was made Champion for saving the nobles' sorry hides. You asked why their Hawke was made champion, I answered.
And i'm pointing out its hard to be a supporter of something when you kill scores of its members just before possibly decapitating the head of its military arm.
And i'm pointing out its hard to be a supporter of something when you kill scores of its members just before possibly decapitating the head of its military arm.
We didn't have a choice though... ideally we should have been given the option to convert at the end of Act 2, and the the game would end prematurely with Hawke leaving the cesspool that is Kirkwall on a ship headed to Par Vollen. A video game can only present us with so many scenarios, however... it's the same reason why we can't turn Anders and Merrill over to the Templars in Act 1, or why Anders's bomb gets built no matter what we do or who we warn.
And i'm pointing out its hard to be a supporter of something when you kill scores of its members just before possibly decapitating the head of its military arm.
No its not.
And this Hawke didn't go gleefully into combat with the Qunari, they respected them, but weren't willing to let them take Kirkwall. They would have preferred a peaceful solution, and as soon as it was possible, achieved one.
We didn't have a choice though... ideally we should have been given the option to convert at the end of Act 2, and the the game would end prematurely with Hawke leaving the cesspool that is Kirkwall on a ship headed to Par Vollen. A video game can only present us with so many scenarios, however... it's the same reason why we can't turn Anders and Merrill over to the Templars in Act 1, or why Anders's bomb gets built no matter what we do or who we warn.
Too much mouth-stitching would be involved for a mage Hawke.
Too much mouth-stitching would be involved for a mage Hawke.
I wouldn't even joke about a mage Hawke attempting to convert to the Qun... this option would only have been available to Warriors and Rogues.
I wouldn't even joke about a mage Hawke attempting to convert to the Qun... this option would only have been available to Warriors and Rogues.
It could've been a good fail state. XD but yeah.
I wouldn't even joke about a mage Hawke attempting to convert to the Qun... this option would only have been available to Warriors and Rogues.
I think mages who are caught by the Qun are just executed anyway, so it would be
'I wish to convert to the Qun.'
'OK'
*crack*
Hawke's corpse drops to the ground
It could've been a good fail state. XD but yeah.
lol... yeah, I guess there's nothing wrong with giving players options. Even terri-bad ones... xD
lol... yeah, I guess there's nothing wrong with giving players options. Even terri-bad ones... xD
Probably why I like visual novels 
There was the obviously a coward choice and the this would be helpful choice. Picked the coward choice and woe and behold I got killed. 
lol... yeah, I guess there's nothing wrong with giving players options. Even terri-bad ones... xD
Yeah, like the cut option to use the Omega-4 relay before getting the IFF.
You died.
Let me be stupid dammit!
Yeah, like the cut option to use the Omega-4 relay before getting the IFF.
You died.
Let me be stupid dammit!
A wizard turns Bran into a bug...He dies!
We didn't have a choice though
Because Hawke wasn't a supporter of the Qunari.
o.o
I mean crud i don't think Bioware has to actually say anything on this front but maybe they should...
A wizard turns Bran into a bug...He dies!
Could anyone tell the difference?
Because Hawke wasn't a supporter of the Qunari.
o.o
I mean crud i don't think Bioware has to actually say anything on this front but maybe they should...
yeah, I mean Hawke could only
Some (including, I don't doubt, yours) didn't. Butit is a valid character, that doesn't require ignoring actual events to realize.
Because Hawke wasn't a supporter of the Qunari.
o.o
I mean crud i don't think Bioware has to actually say anything on this front but maybe they should...
... what about all of the reasons I just gave you? Nothing in those posts is even worth considering?
I personally would have enjoyed that option. I have been interested in the Qunari and Qun since I first met Sten. The events and knowledge gained from Dragon Age 2 helped to broaden and further that interest. I personally agreed with a lot of what the Arishok was saying though acted against it in more than one play through.
I think Bioware should definitely address that as I have allowed the Arishok to leave a time or two as well. Also, I think Bioware should give us Qunlat translator. But that's probably just wishful thinking too.
There are some things within the Qun that I flat out disagree with, but I cannot deny the roleplaying possibilities that this ideology presents... it's one of the more interesting aspects of the DA setting and I'd like to see it explored in greater detail.
Could anyone tell the difference?
yeah, I mean Hawke could only
- treat the Arishok with respect
- inform him of any violent action Hawke felt forced to take against his men
- honestly explain the state of the city, and the actions of zealots
- Support his converts
- Let him take one of your own companions to satisfy the demands of the Qun
- (in MotA) work to help protect Qunari who are not harming anyone from persecution
1. You do need to be a sniveling rude child to a opposing force, you can greet them with the respect due to a tired and true foe.
2. You don't need to be dishonest with a foe either; especially with Qunari, we all know what they want, and we all know Thedas's reaction. There truly is no deceit needed for war here.
3. See one and two.
4. This one is difficult i admit; while Hawke can support the notion of the Arishok and agree with his stance in protecting those under his command, there is no outright admittance that is anything more then him agreeing with it militarily. A commander looking after his troops, there need not be any ideological reasoning.
5. You mean a traitor to you personally by that point?
6. I both loath and enjoy that DLC and much of the reasoning why is involved with this very occurrence. Hawke can go out of their way to prevent a mass slaughter, but their reasoning for that could extend to just that. Again ideology need not be involved.
But an equally valid choice is working against the Qunari agent there and refusing to aid her once her affiliation is announced.
Pity that choice ends up resulting in the same thing but ah well.
Your first four reasons would work for the Discount, sensechel, Aveline, or any other official representative. of Kirkwall. Hawke is a (damned) civilian, and doesn't need to play politics.1. You do need to be a sniveling rude child to a opposing force, you can greet them with the respect due to a tired and true foe.
2. You don't need to be dishonest with a foe either; especially with Qunari, we all know what they want, and we all know Thedas's reaction. There truly is no deceit needed for war here.
3. See one and two.
4. This one is difficult i admit; while Hawke can support the notion of the Arishok and agree with his stance in protecting those under his command, there is no outright admittance that is anything more then him agreeing with it militarily. A commander looking after his troops, there need not be any ideological reasoning.
5. You mean a traitor to you personally by that point?
6. I both loath and enjoy that DLC and much of the reasoning why is involved with this very occurrence. Hawke can go out of their way to prevent a mass slaughter, but their reasoning for that could extend to just that. Again ideology need not be involved.
But an equally valid choice is working against the Qunari agent there and refusing to aid her once her affiliation is announced.
Pity that choice ends up resulting in the same thing but ah well.
Your first four reasons would work for the Discount, sensechel, Aveline, or any other official representative. of Kirkwall. Hawke is a (damned) civilian, and doesn't need to play politics.
Discount? Heh.
You do not need to play politics to actually greet a foemen with respect.
If not anything else the Qunari have proven themselves a worthy foe to battle against.
Point being however; you do not need to greet an enemy one particular way for them to be an enemy.
Whether Isabella is a traitor subject to individual interpretation, but regardless you're sacrificing, if nothing else, personal vengeance for the Qunari.
Are you?
In the time since you interact with the Qunari you learn quite a bit about how they do business; You could reasonably claim that whatever they would do her would be more then sufficient the purposes of vengeance, you need not to end a life yourself to invoke revenge.
Discount? Heh.
dammit auto correct, why don't you let me use archaic titles.
You do not need to play politics to actually greet a foemen with respect.
If not anything else the Qunari have proven themselves a worthy foe to battle against.
Point being however; you do not need to greet an enemy one particular way for them to be an enemy.
Hawke gains nothing from being respectful to the Arishok. And this shows that he is viewed as worthy of respect. If Hawke calls him a great horn-headed abomination, that's the Visocunt's problem, not Hawke's. And again, there are various interpretations, you could decide he's just trying to get the Arishok to relax around him so he can plunge a dagger in his chest one day, but that turns into a discussion on motivation, which (unless you are a secret telepath) is entirely subjective.
Are you?
In the time since you interact with the Qunari you learn quite a bit about how they do business; You could reasonably claim that whatever they would do her would be more then sufficient the purposes of vengeance, you need not to end a life yourself to invoke revenge.
Hawke would give up personal vengence, instead trusting the Qunari to exact his pound of flesh. But if you aren't so enraged at Isabella, you are giving up an ally, possible friend, to be tortured and killed (or worse) rather than kill the Arishok.
I'm back for a few days brothers and sisters. I trust all is well and you have been putting these bas in their place?
this time around i am going to trade my elf ears for horns as i play fem qunari this time around
this time around i am going to trade my elf ears for horns as i play fem qunari this time around
Glad to hear it. Cast away those that are too weak to even have a place of their own to call home and live under the wing of humans! You do us proud!
My Qunari/Kossith is going to reject the Qun, but still try to find a philosophy/religion he can relate to. He's going to be a mage but I don't want him to start off typically being pro-mage. I want him to develop a cause as the story goes while he also tries to find the right belief that fits him. With Josephine as his lover and Blackwall as his friend, they will probably help him in this development
The character might not currently be the greatest, but we got some love on the MP. Check this out.
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