Not correct: It was a part of the Imperium until 6:30 steel.
If the Quanri didn't stop they would have lost the war even worse, If they had the forces to attempt another invasion they would have done it, it makes no sense otherwise.
Sorry, but how can a bankrupt group of countries about to fall apart win a war?
southern thedues but gave them small parts of it. How is that winning?
Correction: Southern Thedas gave them a single fort and a island the imperium owned.
Sorry, but how can a bankrupt group of countries about to fall apart win a war?
Ask the soviet union.
Not even close to being accurate.
If they were "winning" at any point in that struggle, two quarters of the war wouldn't have been them retreating.
"If they hadn't been so bloodied by this point, which all the sources agree, they were."
From the sources "and all the while without even chipping the Qunari occupying force"
At this stage your just pulling at straws man, so the Qunari at the end of the third united exalted march are holding MORE LAND than when the exalted marches began, having retaken Antiva, and being described as "unchipped" are "bloodied at this point". Meanwhile most of the nations of Thedas are "on the brink of collapse".
The Qunari are pretty alien they deemed the loss of their converts too much (which we can tell from "all the sources"), at this stage they had only been known for 130 years, perhaps they wanted to build Par Vollen up and establish a plan which results in the death of less converts? Explains the Ben-Hassrath.
Context: The Qunari occupying force in the Kont-aar. By this point they've been more than chipped elsewhere.
WoT: "The third Exalted March on the Qunari ends in a stalemate. The Qunari have only one stronghold left on the continent: the city of Kont-aar".
Sure doesn't sound like it.
The tiny island that happened to be their naval base of operations from which they launched their dreadnaughts. And yes, they lost everything aside from one settlement in Rivain.
Except thats not what its saying Kont-aar is the Rivani city of Rivani converts. "When the Qunari were pushed back during the Exalted Marches, the Chantries and nationalist forces tried a purge by the sword, killing Qunari converts and burying them in mass graves, most notably in Rivain" The people of Rivain fought on the side of the qunari, they were losing badly so the qunari agreed to leave as they viewed them as part of the Qun.
"The third Exalted March on the Qunari ends in a stalemate. The Qunari have only one stronghold left on the continent: the city of Kont-aar"
except it doesn't say that, it says
"The Third New Exalted March had all but massacred the people of Kont-aar: their last remaining stronghold left on the continent" the last remaining Rivainy stronghold.
Mmm
-For the giants, it did not appear to be the damage to their armada or the loss of their soldiers
They retook Antiva twenty odd years before the third exalted march, it isn't stated if it was even still in their hands by this point, given the Antivans Merchant princes and Pirate Warlords were capable of putting together a fleet though, i doubt it, you can't berth a fleet in an enemy controlled port.
And on the brink of collapse? The third exalted march was the most successful since the first, They accomplished the liberation of the Freemarches, the defeat of a Qunari fleet, seaborn invasions against Par Vollen, and more.
Sure they might have been tearing their hair out trying to pay the bills for the war, but they were winning by this point.
Possibly, but that still doesn't change the fact that their invasion at this point was a dismal failure.
"The Third Exalted March was the most brutal of all. By this time, the war had drained the resources of every nation inThedas, leaving most on the brink of collapse. For the giants, it did not appear to be the damage to their armada or the loss of their soldiers, but the terrible toll upon the Rivaini population that prompted their retreat. The Third New Exalted March had all but massacred the people of Kont-aar: their last remaining stronghold left on the continent[9], and all the while without even chipping the Qunari occupying force. For the sake of Kont-aar, the giants finally agreed to withdraw.[10] The Exalted March ended in 7:84 Storm. A meeting between envoys of all the human lands (except for Tevinter) and the Qunari at Llomerryn results in the signing of the Llomerryn Accord and peace being declared.[11] The Qunari agreed to end all hostilities with all nations under the accord and returned to Par Vollen which was annexed to them"
That's successful?
Guys.....can we go back to talking about how awesome the Qunari are? Please? With sugar on top?
Ask the soviet union.
But they didn't? In fact they don't even exists any more.
Mmm
-For the giants, it did not appear to be the damage to their armada or the loss of their soldiers
They retook Antiva twenty odd years before the third exalted march, it isn't stated if it was even still in their hands by this point, given the Antivans Merchant princes and Pirate Warlords were capable of putting together a fleet though, i doubt it, you can't berth a fleet in an enemy controlled port.
And on the brink of collapse? The third exalted march was the most successful since the first, They accomplished the liberation of the Freemarches, the defeat of a Qunari fleet, seaborn invasions against Par Vollen, and more.
Sure they might have been tearing their hair out trying to pay the bills for the war, but they were winning by this point.
Possibly, but that still doesn't change the fact that their invasion at this point was a dismal failure.
1. Im not arguing they hadnt taken losses, but they were showing no signs of weakness. Your "bloodied" statment has no backing.
2. "7:84 Storm: The end of the Third New Exalted March and signing of the Llomerryn Accord. Antiva is free from the Qunari influence." - Qunari still held Antiva, they gave it up in the treaty.
3. Liberation of the free marches? DURING the 3rd Exalted march the Qunari failed to take Starkhaven and took Kirkwall , the church managed to take it back, hardly "liberated" as no new gains were made. "Defeated the Qunari fleet" = winning 1 major sea battle? no. "Seaborn invasions on Par Vollen" Pirate raids by Pirates, not invasions.
You know i completely forgot WOT declared the third exalted march ending in stalemate, but having just reread the section, it does.
Good catch Baconner.
Well there you go.
The Qunari had lost all the territory they had managed to gain, they were stuck in one little craphole of a fort at the ass end of rivain and it was under siege, it sounds like they had no where else to go 
So yeah, if the war had continued...what would have happened?
The Qunari would have been slaughtered in their little fort and done what? Lament that they didn't didn't bring more soldiers?
If they had more resources, i'd think they would have committed them by now.
There you have it: Word of God states the Qunari were all but defeated.
Guys.....can we go back to talking about how awesome the Qunari are? Please? With sugar on top?
WE ARE, THE QUNARI KICK EVERYONE IN THEDAS'S ASSES AND THEN LEFT CAUSE THEY LIKED THE RIVANI TOO MUCH TO LET THEM DIE, HOW COOL ARE THEY?!?!
You know i completely forgot WOT declared the third exalted march ending in stalemate, but having just reread the section, it does.
Good catch Baconner.
Well there you go.
The Qunari had lost all the territory they had managed to gain, they were stuck in one little craphole of a fort at the ass end of rivain and it was under siege, it sounds like they had no where else to go
So yeah, if the war had continued...what would have happened?
The Qunari would have been slaughtered in their little fort and done what? Lament that they didn't didn't bring more soldiers?
If they had more resources, i'd think they would have committed them by now.
There you have it: Word of God states the Qunari were all but defeated.
Again, bankrupt counties can't win a war.
You know i completely forgot WOT declared the third exalted march ending in stalemate, but having just reread the section, it does.
Good catch Baconner.
Well there you go.
The Qunari had lost all the territory they had managed to gain, they were stuck in one little craphole of a fort at the ass end of rivain and it was under siege, it sounds like they had no where else to go
So yeah, if the war had continued...what would have happened?
The Qunari would have been slaughtered in their little fort and done what? Lament that they didn't didn't bring more soldiers?
If they had more resources, i'd think they would have committed them by now.
There you have it: Word of God states the Qunari were all but defeated.
Once again, no. The Qunari were still holding on to most of the content, the Rivani converts had fallen to its final city. This is why they Qunari left.
Editing this, most of the content is an exageration. Rivani, Antiva, Seheron, Par Vollen, Qarinus. Tevinter had managed to retake most of its lands by now.
Once again, no. The Qunari were still holding on to most of the content, the Rivani converts had fallen to its final city. This is why they Qunari left.
Uh do you have a copy of WOT?
If so i do request you go read the section on the Qunari wars.
The book plainly states: That was it.
Their final stronghold on the continent...period.
Again, bankrupt counties can't win a war.
Given that until the 20th century, wars usually paid for themselves... yes they conceivably could. In fact I'm pretty sure that's exactly why most of the Thedosian countries are still around after the Qunari Wars.
Again, bankrupt counties can't win a war.
Despite your assertion of that: They had all but won.
Given that until the 20th century, wars usually paid for themselves... yes they conceivably could. In fact I'm pretty sure that's exactly why most of the Thedosian countries are still around after the Qunari Wars.
Offensive wars not defensive wars. This was a war to push back invaders, invader that used to resource of the people they invaded to fight. Southern thedus gain to new resources or new lands you just go back what they lost. Going from -1 to 0 is not a gain.
Given that until the 20th century, wars usually paid for themselves
Even during the 20th century some of them still paid for themselves.
More or less, about the only exception are the world wars for obvious reasons.
Despite your assertion of that: They had all but won.
Impasse=/=no winning.
bankruptcy=/= not having the recourse to fight
How can they win?
Uh do you have a copy of WOT?
If so i do request you go read the section on the Qunari wars.
The book plainly states: That was it.
Their final stronghold on the continent...period.
Yet they gave back Antiva in the Llomerryn Accord?
I'm house sitting at the moment so im basing this off the wiki, "The Third New Exalted March had all but massacred the people of Kont-aar: their last remaining stronghold left on the continent[9], and all the while without even chipping the Qunari occupying force"
"When the Qunari were pushed back during the Exalted Marches, the Chantries and nationalist forces tried a purge by the sword, killing Qunari converts and burying them in mass graves, most notably in Rivain[25] and at Nocen Fields and Marnas Pell in Tevinter.[22] These acts were officially denied ever since."
Basically, The Third Exalted march had focused largely on the converts. This is why the Qunari left.
Except thats not what its saying Kont-aar is the Rivani city of Rivani converts. "When the Qunari were pushed back during the Exalted Marches, the Chantries and nationalist forces tried a purge by the sword, killing Qunari converts and burying them in mass graves, most notably in Rivain" The people of Rivain fought on the side of the qunari, they were losing badly so the qunari agreed to leave as they viewed them as part of the Qun.
The Qunari themselves did not leave the mainland of Thedas until the treaty was signed, so yes, there was still an occupying force at this point. There were actually two series of massacres, the first is what drew the Qunari to withdraw, the second coming after their retreat.
"The third Exalted March on the Qunari ends in a stalemate. The Qunari have only one stronghold left on the continent: the city of Kont-aar"except it doesn't say that, it says
"The Third New Exalted March had all but massacred the people of Kont-aar: their last remaining stronghold left on the continent" the last remaining Rivainy stronghold.
You are using a quote on the wiki that is citing World of Thedas. My quote is literally what is written in World of Thedas.
Offensive wars not defensive wars. This was a war to push back invaders, invader that used to resource of the people they invaded to fight. Southern thedus gain to new resources or new lands you just go back what they lost. Going from -1 to 0 is not a gain.
Actually Qunari brought with them artifacts, knowledge and wealth of their own seizing that knowledge and those assets would in fact be a gain to the winning side, doubly so it would provide them with new things they didn't have before as serve as an economic boost.
Lore inconsistency? I don't know what to tell you.
But WOG trumps codex.
WOT says it too.
WOT says it too.
WOT makes it plain that their fort in northern rivain was their final stronghold in Thedas.
Actually Qunari brought with them artifacts, knowledge and wealth of their own seizing that knowledge and those assets would in fact be a gain to the winning side, doubly so it would provide them with new things they didn't have before as serve as an economic boost.
Artifacts and religious knowledge, yes, but anything to make a profit for a country, no. Southern thedus has yet to learn how to make one bit of tech the qunari have, not even the ones to better health. They only held artifact to be used for ransom and that's it.
So thedus war with qunari only resulted to push them from a -1 to a 0.
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