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[Stakrin]

I am honestly not sure. the whole story of Andraste and The Maker is already similar it seems, but add in Dumat (who to me seems like the devil in many ways. He is worshipped by corypheus and we know what became of him, a "demon"-like darkspawn who may have been able to possess Janeka/Larius) and finally the elder one, coming out of the fade with an army of demons, claiming to be the greatest, and sarcastically attacking the maker.

Not to say this game is religious, or anti-religious, or anything of the sort, but do you think the game was intentionally or sub-consciously made with some biblical influence, or am I reading too far in to some things?

[Arijharn]

Can't it just be a made up story without people trying to read too far?

 

In all honesty, I'm sure BioWare has drawn from all sorts of different sources to build their universe. To me, the fade and its demons feeding off emotions reads exactly like Games Workshop's daemons, the warp, and the Chaos Gods Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle and Slaanesh from their warhammer fantasy and 40,000 IP, but I also don't think they necessarily wrote the book on originality in that regard. Our own history is also wonderfully full of crazy stories to draw inspiration from as well. Since religion, for good or for ill, does figure greatly into people's lives, it would be really quite difficult really for it to not play some sort of part for inspiration.

[Willowhugger]

I am honestly not sure. the whole story of Andraste and The Maker is already similar it seems, but add in Dumat (who to me seems like the devil in many ways. He is worshipped by corypheus and we know what became of him, a "demon"-like darkspawn who may have been able to possess Janeka/Larius) and finally the elder one, coming out of the fade with an army of demons, claiming to be the greatest, and sarcastically attacking the maker.

Not to say this game is religious, or anti-religious, or anything of the sort, but do you think the game was intentionally or sub-consciously made with some biblical influence, or am I reading too far in to some things?

The Andrastrian Faith is explicitly a parallel of Christianity, specifically the Medieval Catholic church.

Except Patriarchy is replaced with Matriarchy.

And Joan of Arc is replacing Jesus.

 

Dumat isn't so much the Devil as Cthulhu, though.

[Stakrin]

Cool. I love cuthulu

[Stakrin]

Even though I can't spell it despite it being right in front of me.

Cthulhu

[Willowhugger]

Cool. I love cuthulu

 

Yeah, the Chantry ascribes the Old Gods a Satanic-like role, but the Old Gods are verifiable existent and every religion acknowledges they exist. The Elves have their own version, for example.

 

They're not Dragons, Spirits, or Darkspawn though.

 

They just APPEAR to be dragons.

 

Like it was the nastiest thing they could think of so they took that form. Like Cthulhu and the Great Old Ones, they slumber underground until the time they awake to destroy the world.

Alien and inscrutable.

[Stakrin]

So the elder one... Could be a leader or even creator of the others?

[Willowhugger]

So the elder one... Could be a leader or even creator of the others?

 

We don't know enough right now to say.

He could be an Old God

 

He could be Dumat's Ghost, assuming such a thing exists.

 

He could be Corypheus but unlikely because different VA.

He could be the Dread Wolf of the elven pantheon.

He could also just be a wizard with delusions of grandeur and Palpatine-level manipulation skill.

[Cainhurst Crow]

We don't know enough right now to say.

He could be an Old God

 

He could be Dumat's Ghost, assuming such a thing exist.

 

He could be Corypheus but unlikely because different VA.

He could be the Dread Wolf of the elven pantheon.

He could also just be a wizard with delusions of grandeur and Palpatine-level manipulation skill.

 

He could be the first ever nightmare a person ever had that scarred the fade for life.

 

We won't know till we get the game, as you said.

[Stakrin]

Okay, great. Thanks.

Sorry I have been out of the loop for a while, didn't even play dragon age for a year I think. I just recently started a new playthrough, and with Fenris possibly converting to Andrastrian faith, based I his conversations with Sebastian (which would be interesting to see examined further if he returns) and Corph. from legacy I thought about this whole topic.

[Willowhugger]

Okay, great. Thanks.

Sorry I have been out of the loop for a while, didn't even play dragon age for a year I think. I just recently started a new playthrough, and with Fenris possibly converting to Andrastrian faith, based I his conversations with Sebastian (which would be interesting to see examined further if he returns) and Corph. from legacy I thought about this whole topic.

 

There's likely to be strong religious influences in Dragon Age: Inquisition.

The idea is that your character is a Messiah-like figure to the people of Thedas.

How you deal with that and people's faith will be a theme.

[TheEternalStudent]

Well, first of all there's almost nothing nowadays that doesn't have Christian influence, the Catholic Church ruled Europe, and with the world becoming westernized, yes Christian influence is seeping into all the cracks.
Intentionally though, yes, they're definately drawing from the Catholic church to varying extents for the Chantry, in Dawn of the Seeker they straight up have confession booths.

[lordsaren101]

Too much christian influence for a fantasy game. Bad enough people are hammered with Christianity incessantly in the real world. I DAI we get to be bombarded with Andrastian drivel as well. Thus why i support Dumat and the old ways.

[lordsaren101]

Also, cthulhu is awesome.

[scrapmetals]

Too much christian influence for a fantasy game. Bad enough people are hammered with Christianity incessantly in the real world. I DAI we get to be bombarded with Andrastian drivel as well. Thus why i support Dumat and the old ways.

 

Please don't talk for everyone. "Bad enough people are hammered with Christianity..." You may not like it because you wanted to rebel against your parents or grandparents or whatever, but some of us are absolutely fine with it and find a lot of stability and happiness in whatever faith we choose.

 

Anywho, as to topic, having studied many religions over the years, well... they're not wholly different from one another. There's a lot of central themes that are shared within most if not all religions. That's... just kind of how people work. So, no, I don't think there's a lot of Christian influence in the game. Do I think there's a lot of RELIGIOUS influence in the game? Well, maybe a bit, but really, I just think there's religion in the game, and since every idea has been done before, well... the religions in the games just happen to look a lot like certain RL religions. I don't think creating a whole world without some type of religion would work very well, personally. I mean, it could be an interesting experiment, but I don't think it could be pulled off well. Realistically, you have to have someone/s that believe in something/s outside of/together with science (I don't want to make it seem like religion and science are mutually exclusive). Again, it's just sort of how people are. Looking at history, it seems to me like there's always going to be a group of people who are going to believe in something otherworldly.

[KoorahUK]

Please don't talk for everyone. "Bad enough people are hammered with Christianity..." You may not like it because you wanted to rebel against your parents or grandparents or whatever, but some of us are absolutely fine with it and find a lot of stability and happiness in whatever faith we choose.

 

Anywho, as to topic, having studied many religions over the years, well... they're not wholly different from one another. There's a lot of central themes that are shared within most if not all religions. That's... just kind of how people work. So, no, I don't think there's a lot of Christian influence in the game. Do I think there's a lot of RELIGIOUS influence in the game? Well, maybe a bit, but really, I just think there's religion in the game, and since every idea has been done before, well... the religions in the games just happen to look a lot like certain RL religions. I don't think creating a whole world without some type of religion would work very well, personally. I mean, it could be an interesting experiment, but I don't think it could be pulled off well. Realistically, you have to have someone/s that believe in something/s outside of/together with science (I don't want to make it seem like religion and science are mutually exclusive). Again, it's just sort of how people are. Looking at history, it seems to me like there's always going to be a group of people who are going to believe in something otherworldly.

I'm a firm atheist and I support this point of view. The world of Thedas is a medieval world with actual magicand real demons; if anything there is actual evidence of higher powers that people do not fully understand. The thought that there wouldn't be a religion in which the masses can turn to to make sense of the world in which they live is a strange one.

Is it modelled on Christianity? I would say not much more than any monothestic religion, as scrapmetals says. Most religions are far more similar than they are different when you get down to the core teachings. 

At the end of the day, its a fantasy game set in a fantasy world. I'm a staunch atheist yet I'm going to play a devout Andrastian Warrior, because, you know, Role playing.

[Celtic Latino]

I was inclined to say 'somewhat' at first, but as I'm making comparisons I'd say it's a lot.

 

-The Chantry is definitely based off the Catholic/Orthodox Church except with inverted genders

-Divine acts as a 'Pope' (Catholicism)

-Mono-gendered priesthood (Catholicism/Orthodox)

-Maker turned his Gaze (mainstream Christianity believes humanity is 'fallen')

-Black City and the Mages are similar to Adam and Eve and the Forbidden Fruit (temptation to power, tried to be 'like God')

-Andraste chosen by Maker (Jesus 'begotten' or beholden to God, in Catholic traditions Mary is often considered the 'Bride' of God)

-Andraste's killed by Tevinter Imperium (Tevinter has similarities to Rome/Byzantine Empire, especially in the naming conventions, Rome of course killed Jesus)

-Chant of Light has similarities to the Gospels, Proverbs, and aspects of the Quran (sayings of Mohammed)

-Betrayal (Andraste was betrayed, Jesus betrayed by Judas)

-The Exalted Marches against the Elves are arguably similar to the Spanish conquest of the Americas (forced conversion, killed those who refused)

-Tevinter Imperium has analogues similar to Egypt and Rome, both villainous figure nations in the Bible (Egypt commonly practiced magic, Tevinter a magocracy, and again Tevinter has similarities to Rome in terms of nomenclature and culture). Could be argued that Tevinter Imperium is 'Babylon'.

-Humans are 'chosen people' (not necessarily in the Chant of Light but culturally speaking). Elves are mentioned and sometimes converts but Qunari/Dwarves are not considered to be 'the Maker's children'. Israel viewed themselves as 'chosen people' and others as enemies to be conquested while fringe groups today view themselves as the 'one and only' and all others 'not God's people'. (This of course is NOT a mainstream Christian belief but it IS held by some people).

-Old Gods are demons (mainstream Christianity contends that pagan gods are demons in disguise)

-Magic is feared (though magic is accepted in Thedas, magic is explicitly condemned in the Bible)

-Elves championed as 'Gentiles' (Jesus did have prevailing views such as the Caananite woman, but also encouraged peace with neighbors such as the Samaritans). Andraste aided Shartan, with elves being the 'other people' of sorts.

 

That's not to say there aren't other influences. Andraste has a lot of elements of Mohammed as well (being human, a war leader and not just a prophet) and the Chants are more akin to the Quran/Hadiths than they are the Bible. Andraste is also named after a Celtic (pagan) goddess of fire (volunteered for the flame). That sort of sainthood/canonization makes her similar to the Celtic goddess Bridgit (who became an Irish Saint).

 

Corephyus/The Elder One may have similarities to a Lucifer figure (in-game, not necessarily in the lore just yet), a 'fallen angel' (Tevinter/Magister) who desired more power.

 

My two cents anyways (feel free to correct me if I got any lore wrong on it).

[lordsaren101]

Please don't talk for everyone. "Bad enough people are hammered with Christianity..." You may not like it because you wanted to rebel against your parents or grandparents or whatever, but some of us are absolutely fine with it and find a lot of stability and happiness in whatever faith we choose.

 

Anywho, as to topic, having studied many religions over the years, well... they're not wholly different from one another. There's a lot of central themes that are shared within most if not all religions. That's... just kind of how people work. So, no, I don't think there's a lot of Christian influence in the game. Do I think there's a lot of RELIGIOUS influence in the game? Well, maybe a bit, but really, I just think there's religion in the game, and since every idea has been done before, well... the religions in the games just happen to look a lot like certain RL religions. I don't think creating a whole world without some type of religion would work very well, personally. I mean, it could be an interesting experiment, but I don't think it could be pulled off well. Realistically, you have to have someone/s that believe in something/s outside of/together with science (I don't want to make it seem like religion and science are mutually exclusive). Again, it's just sort of how people are. Looking at history, it seems to me like there's always going to be a group of people who are going to believe in something otherworldly.

 

Rebel? Has nothing to do with rebelling, has to do with free thought. I have as much right to share my opinions on Christianity and monotheism in general, as much as you have a right to defend them. SO don't come at me with your righteous anger tyvm. The game is crawling with Christian influence. I am at my right to choose to roleplay in direct opposition to it, as much as you are in support of it. Just don't expect any of my views in here to ever show any hint of support, belief or kindness in relation to Andrastian faith. Bioware modeled the chantry directly on christianity. Deny all you want, but it is plain for the eye to see, fantasy or not.

[scrapmetals]

Rebel? Has nothing to do with rebelling, has to do with free thought. I have as much right to share my opinions on Christianity and monotheism in general, as much as you have a right to defend them. SO don't come at me with your righteous anger tyvm. The game is crawling with Christian influence. I am at my right to choose to roleplay in direct opposition to it, as much as you are in support of it. Just don't expect any of my views in here to ever show any hint of support, belief or kindness in relation to Andrastian faith. Bioware modeled the chantry directly on christianity. Deny all you want, but it is plain for the eye to see, fantasy or not.

 

This reply is full of tu quoque and ad hominem. Cool story, bruh.

[HK-90210]

Rebel? Has nothing to do with rebelling, has to do with free thought. I have as much right to share my opinions on Christianity and monotheism in general, as much as you have a right to defend them. SO don't come at me with your righteous anger tyvm. The game is crawling with Christian influence. I am at my right to choose to roleplay in direct opposition to it, as much as you are in support of it. Just don't expect any of my views in here to ever show any hint of support, belief or kindness in relation to Andrastian faith. Bioware modeled the chantry directly on christianity. Deny all you want, but it is plain for the eye to see, fantasy or not.

 

[HiroVoid]

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