Oh man here we go with the rping bullshit.
Here's a weird thought people have different ways of rping. If someone doesn't want to play non human characters...that doesn't mean they can't rp. It just means they don't want to play a nonhuman character.
You don't want to play a human character? Great! Don't.
You want to play a human character? Great! Do.
We both have freaking choice. We both can rp with whatever character we choose.
It's utterly astounding how that isn't sinking in.
Also this notion that if you don't enjoy rp and just want to self insert, that is somehow the inferior choice. I mean does it really matter how people want to play their characters? I'm an rp kinda gal myself that prefers non humans but I don't think my way is superior to everyone elses. My way is just the superior option for me personally.
This is a human support thread and as unnecessary as it may seem to have one, can we not constantly talk about whether or not humans or non humans are better? We're here to talk about why we like playing humans after all.
Edit: Ok I'm done on this topic now. Gonna take my own advice and stop participating in this debate.
A human support thread is like a bra on Michael Phelps: unnecessary.
Pretty much. 95% players choose humans, you don't need a "support thread" for an overwhelming majority.
Pretty much. 95% players choose humans, you don't need a "support thread" for an overwhelming majority.
Fine, where it says 'Support' read 'Appreciation'. Now we can carry on talking about why we like playing humans and those who favour minority races can stop feeling so miffed that we dare.
@Lulupab: I was just kidding - and I am actually an amazing RPer. My interest in roleplaying just doesn't come in the form of cosmetics.
Anything the dwarves, elves or Qunari represent could have been represented by a human - that they represent these things is not somehow uniquely "elven", "dwarven" etc.
Fine, where it says 'Support' read 'Appreciation'. Now we can carry on talking about why we like playing humans and those who favour minority races can stop feeling so miffed that we dare.
No, /thread. 
@Star Fury: You see, this is why we have to drive the other races to extinction... cause you can't just go around telling people you shouldn't be happy to be yourself. 
All the races in Thedas act "human" so the fact they don't look like humans doesn't make them more rp-able.
Pretty much. 95% players choose humans, you don't need a "support thread" for an overwhelming majority.
Since we're the big dogs in Thedas right now, I think we need all the support we can get.
@Star Fury: You see, this is why we have to drive the other races to extinction... cause you can't just go around telling people you shouldn't be happy to be yourself.
All the races in Thedas act "human" so the fact they don't look like humans doesn't make them more rp-able.
Since we're the big dogs in Thedas right now, I think we need all the support we can get.
Exactly the only race that ever acted really alien/nonhuman in BW games were the freaking Geth.
And that got retconned to hell in ME3 to act human like.
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Hmm, I do love playing humans. Lessee, I'm torn on whether my first pt will be human mage or rogue. I think rogue she will be a ne'er do well type. The youngest sibling so not much was ever really expected of her. And she chafed at the idea of being railroaded into sum chantry/templar future. She will party and have fun--although I think that will really be a kinda defense against feeling lost in general. Not having a purpose.
But wow, she did not want this kinda purpose! She will likely roll her eyes everytime someone calls her herald of andraste, but will deal with it. She generally wants to help ppl if she can, but considers all the orgs.--the chantry/templars/mages/celene/gaspard/mages/elves/qunari/dwarves...all of them..as a bunch of self righteous overblown snowflakes. That are essentially a pain in the azz. Yet, if she can help someone, she will try.
She is also worried abt this glow hand. She does not understand it, and wonders what price will have to paid for this power she did not ask for.
The mage i imagine will def feel betrayed by her fam. prolly be a bit more anti-chantry, but not really trusting some of the mage factions. she will prolly be more of an honest maybe impressionable type at first. but this will soon change.
hmm, i think human rogue first..lol!
then def a qunari. just too good to pass up that one. and eventually a dalish...for science. i recently fell in love w/playing the dwarf origin, but the constant neck craning thing bothers me. shrugs.
DA:O was designed with non-human PCs from the beginning. DA:I was designed with a human only PC for the majority of its development. It wasn't until they decided to push it back a year that other races got added. My concern is that, since the story was written for a human protagonist, the other races will feel 'tacked on'.They handled it well on DAO. urn of sacred ashes quest was not really relevant to race so we gonna ignore that. A quest favored Dalish, a quest favored dwarves, a quest favored human noble and city elf. A quest favored mages. Each favored race/origin had more plot in the connected quest. Redcliff was made to favor human commoner origin but that origin was deleted before release of the game so it does not favor anyone.
With Vashoth mercenaries and surface dwarf criminals, there's not a whole lot of inherent culture to even ignore, so problems would be minimal. As for elves, we seem to be meeting enough of them, and their numbers are fewer than those of humans anyway, so I wouldn't expect a whole game to be talking to only them. There's every indication we'll be dealing with Dalish issues as well.
I rarely play humans, mostly because I am in real life a human, so if I can play something different than a human, then I choose that option. Not that I am happy about my life as a human, but sometimes, I wish I was 45cm shorter.
Again, completely ignoring the fact that Arlathan had slaves which the dreamers also syphoned off of.
Again, what is your point? I never brought up Arlathan's social structure or how nice it may or may not have been to its own people. If you want want to call the elves a bunch of hypocrites for having a society of their own at some point in the past, I really don't care.
Nope. The Warden asked how are you still alive, and he said blood magic can do such things. The Taint doesn't sustain Grey Wardens.
Just because someone says something doesn't mean its necessarily true or that he even fully understands it himself. We know for a fact the taint makes the dark spawn ageless. We know blood magic can be used to manage/cleanse the taint. We have very little direct evidence that blood magic grant immortality right out of the tin. And finally the 'blood' powers you get from him are all taint related.
All that said, its seem reasonable to draw the conclusion that the taint is what was keeping him alive, while blood magic only keep him from going full-ghoul.
The idea that you can go on forever killing people and ruling tyrannically is absurd. Immortality doesn't give invulnerability.
Your right it doesn't and yet the tevinter system has endured millenia. In all that time why is it no one seems to have even pushed say 200 years old? If the magisters are really supposed to be as powerful as they are portrayed and blood magic can do what you claim, surely a handful of them would be known to have lived beyond the means of normal human longevity. And yet no one has, I'm not asking for an invulnerable immortal, just someone who say managed to double his lifespan, given the system is stacked in their favour surely there would be at least a few of them no?
He wouldn't have died instantly after releasing it if that were true.
Not necessarily, considering he's the only example we have, nor do we know exactly how the elven fade-siphoning worked before.
Similarly the argument can be turned on its head, if a blood magic spell was keeping Zathrian hale and hearty all this time, why would he suddenly die if it stopped? Wouldn't he just start aging again like a normal elf, after all the spell essentially hit the pause button on his aging process, why the instant death?
DA:O was designed with non-human PCs from the beginning. DA:I was designed with a human only PC for the majority of its development. It wasn't until they decided to push it back a year that other races got added. My concern is that, since the story was written for a human protagonist, the other races will feel 'tacked on'.
To be honest, I didn't find playing different races/origins affected DA:O that much either (aside from the obvious beginning being entirely different). You never really get additional choices in any of the main questlines- just some lines here or there for recognition or perhaps a more personal connection to the plotline.
A human support thread is like a bra on Michael Phelps: unnecessary.
Why does it need to be necessary? if we want to fawn over how awesome humans are then we can do it, regardless of how much "need" there is.
Besides, elves and dwarves are already in as well. Thread supporting them are equally unnecessary.
It's more that we disagree with the notion that nonhumans are somehow inherently inferior, as Medhia mentioned, and what we say is "how can you call yourself a roleplayer if you deny that nonhuman races have value?"
What does not recognizing the value of non-humans have to do with roleplaying?
In fact, if I don't recognize their value, it would actually be deeper roleplaying because I am not thinking with the perceptions of someone born in Western society in the 21st century who has been told all his life how we're all equal but with the mind of a Free Marchers noble whose mom scared him into being good with stories of the fanatic ox-men who came from the north and whose littlefinger was worth more than an Alienage.
Well we can certainly appreciate playing human. You know there is a difference between support and appreciation right? Support, in other words promotion for playing human is unnecessary. Although its not necessary for other races but its not unnecessary as well. They do need more love. Dwarves more than anyone.
Why? They aren't real. You can't make them feel better about themselves or something.
If the matter is about having dwarves in the game, then they're already in. Thus, "more love" is pointless beyond the simple fact that some people like to play dwarves and to express their love for the race which also applies to humans and their fans.
Again, what is your point? I never brought up Arlathan's social structure or how nice it may or may not have been to its own people. If you want want to call the elves a bunch of hypocrites for having a society of their own at some point in the past, I really don't care.
They killed people to live forever. That's the definition of a parasite. Saying, "How's that a parasite. They just used the Fade," is wrong. They didn't. They summoned demons and killed each other. As much or worse than Orlais. Parasites.
Just because someone says something doesn't mean its necessarily true or that he even fully understands it himself. We know for a fact the taint makes the dark spawn ageless. We know blood magic can be used to manage/cleanse the taint. We have very little direct evidence that blood magic grant immortality right out of the tin. And finally the 'blood' powers you get from him are all taint related.
I'm going to use the definition presented to me instead of your opinions, if you don't mind. We know the Taint doesn't sustain Grey Wardens. We know Avernus is a Grey Warden. He clearly states what he did. His opinion is above yours in every way.
All that said, its seem reasonable to draw the conclusion that the taint is what was keeping him alive, while blood magic only keep him from going full-ghoul.
Except it's not, by any stretch of the imagination besides your own words.
Your right it doesn't and yet the tevinter system has endured millenia. In all that time why is it no one seems to have even pushed say 200 years old? If the magisters are really supposed to be as powerful as they are portrayed and blood magic can do what you claim, surely a handful of them would be known to have lived beyond the means of normal human longevity. And yet no one has, I'm not asking for an invulnerable immortal, just someone who say managed to double his lifespan, given the system is stacked in their favour surely there would be at least a few of them no?
Your acting as if Tevinter isn't a cesspit or corruption, persecution, slavery, and duels in the streets. These things happen all the time. And yet Tevinter goes on. But you know, the elves had powerful magic, so they didn't do these things and really lived forever. Do you honestly believe elven dreamers would be the only ones to discover such things?
Not necessarily, considering he's the only example we have, nor do we know exactly how the elven fade-siphoning worked before.
Um, what? If the Fade was keeping him alive, why would he die instantly from releasing the curse? No spirit has ever been able to sustain anything before, even Justice using his body until it became a rotting corpse. Much more than it was before.
Similarly the argument can be turned on its head, if a blood magic spell was keeping Zathrian hale and hearty all this time, why would he suddenly die if it stopped? Wouldn't he just start aging again like a normal elf, after all the spell essentially hit the pause button on his aging process, why the instant death?
In my opinion, which doesn't contradict things said in game because I believe that they make no sense to me, Zathrian bound himself the spell he cast. Well that's sort of my opinion, but mostly what was said in game.
Well we can certainly appreciate playing human. You know there is a difference between support and appreciation right? Support, in other words promotion for playing human is unnecessary. Although its not necessary for other races but its not unnecessary as well. They do need more love. Dwarves more than anyone.
This is a bit pedantic, no? People seem to understand what this thread is for - discussing the human origins, playing humans in a fantasy setting, what their human Quizzies will be like, etc etc etc. This is a land where we can play three races beyond humans; a discussion thread shouldn't need to defend itself. There was no untoward elf/dwarf/qunari race-hating in here unless I completely missed it.
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