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[Lulupab]

Tevinter still holds all of its original lands. No one has conquered Imperium motherlands (not for long anyway). Whatever land Tevinter lost it already conquered it from another nation before that, so its like losing colonies. Seheron is still a war zone, so...

 

Also you cannot expect Tevinter to strongly commit itself to defending colonies. When Andraste's army started to march to Tevinter itself it was defeated. Sure it liberated southern Thedas from Tevinter but the rebellion army was defeated and Tevinter had no resources to strike back. Tevinter is still stronger than any other single human nation on Thedas.

[SmilesJA]

Man I would love to visit Tevinter someday.

[Br3admax]

Tevinter still holds all of its original lands. No one has conquered Imperium motherlands (not for long anyway). Whatever land Tevinter lost it already conquered it from another nation before that, so its like losing colonies. Seheron is still a war zone, so...

 

Also you cannot expect Tevinter to strongly commit itself to defending colonies. When Andraste's army started to march to Tevinter itself it was defeated. Sure it liberated southern Thedas from Tevinter but the rebellion army was defeated and Tevinter had no resources to strike back. Tevinter is still stronger than any other single human nation on Thedas.

There's a difference between provinces and colonies. All of those places where a part of Tevinter proper. Otherwise they wouldn't have a word for areas outside of Tevinter proper. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Tevinter still holds all of its original lands. No one has conquered Imperium motherlands (not for long anyway). Whatever land Tevinter lost it already conquered it from another nation before that, so its like losing colonies. Seheron is still a war zone, so...

 

Also you cannot expect Tevinter to strongly commit itself to defending colonies. When Andraste's army started to march to Tevinter itself it was defeated. Sure it liberated southern Thedas from Tevinter but the rebellion army was defeated and Tevinter had no resources to strike back. Tevinter is still stronger than any other single human nation on Thedas.

 

No it wasn't defeated. They dispersed because Maferath gave them Andraste. The final battle of the war was the Battle of the Valerian Fields.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

That only proves what I said, Tevinter was bloated. Now that they don't have to defend colonies they're in a stronger position to defend Tevinter itself as they can more properly concentrate their forces. 

 

 

Seheron is an active warzone. The Qunari have yet to actually take it and establish proper control and that's despite the fact that Seheron is an island the Qunari have a superior navy. The cows are fighting at an advantage in what was a dubiously entrenched/controlled part of Tevinter and they are still just barely winning. 

 

Seheron was ruled by the Imperium for many centuries. It's one of their oldest holdings, so it's it's a pretty significant loss after such a long time. But it shows that they could defend it before, and now they cannot. Not that they haven't made efforts to take it back but so far they've all failed. It was certainly considered important enough that they launched an Exalted March to take it back the first time they lost it.

 

The Qunari do have control. It just doesn't extent to all areas of the island. Most of it is ruled by the Qun. There's a codex entry by a Fog Warrior that says "Imperial control outside of a few small pockets is little more than fiction and changes whenever the Qunari return their attention to the area."

[Lulupab]

There's a difference between provinces and colonies. All of those places where a part of Tevinter proper. Otherwise they wouldn't have a word for areas outside of Tevinter proper. 

 

They pretty much gave them up to protect the mainland better. Besides what does naming have to do with anything? British Empire named its colonies as well. Tevinter started off from the lands it holds now and expanded. Its expansion was countered by Andraste's rebellion but Tevinter still holds the ancestral lands.

 

No it wasn't defeated. They dispersed because Maferath gave them Andraste. The final battle of the war was the Battle of the Valerian Fields.

 

The lore states the rebellion was officially put down and Andraste captured. Exact quote "Finally the rebellion was put down and Andraste was publicly executed with her generals four years later."

 

http://dragonage.wik...vinter_Imperium

[Vox Draco]

I guess I was one of the few that didn't give a damn when DA2 only had human Hawkes, and I wouldn't have minded the Inquisitor to be only human either ... hardly ever play Elves, never play Dwarves in any game...so it's almost always Humans for me...

 

And though I will probably play a Qunari female mage at some point, my first char probably will be a female human mage, and I see her as some kind of piassed-off problem solver that gets things done without being too much into the whole political stuff. She want to end the whole conflict with the templars and mages, like a teacher would seperate two idiotic kids fighting, and put an end to this nuisance that comes with the Elder One...tough, intelligent, quite neutral in terms of politics, that's how I see her...hopefully it can be played a bit like that...

 

And really, Elves? Fully depends on how they look and feel in the game for me...wasn't so much impressed by either DAO or DA2, maybe this time around it might be fun...(but Dwarves? Please no...)

[Jedi Master of Orion]

They pretty much gave them up to protect the mainland better. Besides what does naming have to do with anything? British Empire named its colonies as well. Tevinter started off from the lands it holds now and expanded. Its expansion was countered by Andraste's rebellion but Tevinter still holds the ancestral lands.

 

 

 

 

The lore states the rebellion was officially put down and Andraste captured. Exact quote "Finally the rebellion was put down and Andraste was publicly executed with her generals four years later."

 

http://dragonage.wik...vinter_Imperium

 

We've had this exact argument before. I showed you there are two codex entries and three parts of World of Thedas that confirms that Andraste was captured specifically because Maferath betrayed her to Hesserion and that it happened directly following the battle where Mafterath and Andraste defeated what Genetivi called "the greatest army the Imperium could muster."

[The Ascendant]

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[Lady Artifice]

Humans aren't the worst.

 

Dalish are the worst.

 

City elves win over Dalish 520%. That's just arithmetic...and science.

 

Anyway, humans...Looking forward to my reluctant chantry sister Trevelyan. She's gonna be such a little book/tech geek.

 

She is secretly a huge fan of Qunari technology. She has this spyglass she keeps with her. Her most prized possesion. She's also fascinated by the Fade and by Arcane symbolism (a little like Dagna). Many reasons for the Artificer specialization to be perfect for her.

[Lady Artifice]

Have I mentioned I am excited about the Artificer specialization recently? Everybody sees that? Alright, then.

[The Ascendant]

I imagine being human will make things easier dealing with the Chantry and the Orlesian nobility, we are nobility ourselves, true from the Free Marches, but at least we're not Ferelden again.

[Lady Artifice]

 [...]but at least we're not Ferelden again.

 

I guess...I think it'll feel weird.

 

Imagine a Kingmaker scenario between Gaspard and Celene, in which Celene has already backstabbed us, and we're under pressure from some of our more upstanding party members to favor Gaspard.

 

The guy wants to reconquer Ferelden. We have no particular in game reason to feel personally resentful of that, and we have many more non-Fereldens on our team than we have Fereldens.

 

Imagine hearing the phrase "dog-lord" and not being able to be like, "Yeah, screw you, Orlesian."

 

Won't you still carry over Ferelden impulses?

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I like Ferelden more than the other human nations, but can't say I have much patriotic impulse for them. The one game I spent there I was usually playing as an outsider like a Dalish or a dwarf rather than a bona-fide Fereldan.

Still waiting on my Avvar/Chasind/something human pro-tag tbh.

[Lady Artifice]

The funny thing is, I'd almost rather be Orlesian (someone whose family is tied up in the Game) if I can't be Ferelden, despite the fact that I still identify most with Fereldens.

 

 

The reason for that is probably the same reason I understand why they picked Free Marcher. It's a cultural melting pot with relatively few glaring stereotypes for the pc to carry around as baggage. It makes sense to me.

 

It might just take me a bit to adjust.

[EmperorSahlertz]

No it wasn't defeated. They dispersed because Maferath gave them Andraste. The final battle of the war was the Battle of the Valerian Fields.

That is not entirely correct. The last engagement of the Exalted March of Andraste was the Siege of Minrathous. A siege which the barbarians failed.

[Lulupab]

We've had this exact argument before. I showed you there are two codex entries and three parts of World of Thedas that confirms that Andraste was captured specifically because Maferath betrayed her to Hesserion and that it happened directly following the battle where Mafterath and Andraste defeated what Genetivi called "the greatest army the Imperium could muster."

 

But they got defeated several days after in the gates of Minrathous, fearing for a counter attack because the rebellion army was no more Maferath made a deal.

[Mistic]

I guess...I think it'll feel weird.

 

Imagine a Kingmaker scenario between Gaspard and Celene, in which Celene has already backstabbed us, and we're under pressure from some of our more upstanding party members to favor Gaspard.

 

The guy wants to reconquer Ferelden. We have no particular in game reason to feel personally resentful of that, and we have many more non-Fereldens on our team than we have Fereldens.

 

Imagine hearing the phrase "dog-lord" and not being able to be like, "Yeah, screw you, Orlesian."

 

Won't you still carry over Ferelden impulses?

 

Yeah, it will feel weird for many, because no Inquisitor origin is Fereldan despite saving the country in the first game and being a Fereldan immigrant in the second. I can see some people trying to metagame their way to favour Ferelden.

 

Nevertheless, it's still possible to favour Ferelden for in-universe reasons; however, they're more about screwing up Orlais (Marchers have suffered their share of Orlesian imperialism, for example) than defending Ferelden.

[Br3admax]

Don't care about Fereldan in the slightest. If I did I would have made Anora queen in some capacity. 

[Lulupab]

If you care for Orlais then you must make Alistar king as he will try his best to achieve peace. David Gaider have said that to expect nothing less from Anora than you would from her father.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Loghain didn't exactly want war with Orlais (he probably knew that Ferelden would lose), but he did want to make Ferelden strong and independant, so as to deter any eventual Orlesian invasion. Orlais only ever invaded Ferelden because it was weak and fractured.

[herkles]

My main Inquistor is going to be biased towards Nevarra and the Free Marches when it comes to human kingdoms. The chantry is first and formost the group she is supporting before them though. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

My main Inquistor is going to be biased towards Nevarra and the Free Marches when it comes to human kingdoms. The chantry is first and formost the group she is supporting before them though. 

Why would a Free Marcher be biased towards Nevarra? Wouldn't the opposite be true more often?

[herkles]

Why would a Free Marcher be biased towards Nevarra? Wouldn't the opposite be true more often?

 

More often, yea. But in the case of my inquistor. I wrote up her background that her mother is a noble lady from Nevarra. Thus she has some ties to the Kingdom of Nevarra.

[The Ascendant]

I am thankful we can be a Free Marcher. It allows a more neutral attitude when dealing with Orlais-Ferelden relations and politics.