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[Stakrin]

I liked that companions did flirt though, some of them were interesting. Carver and Merrill XD

[BobZilla84]

I agree she is my favourite LI in DA 2

There was a lot of character development and opening up with her

Well she was my first LI in DA2 after being utterly crushed by not being able to romance Aveline which was Bull S*** did mention it was because it was anyway I chose her because Merrill had the whole little sister vibe going on and in other settings I have ignored it and done the romance anyway "Tali" but I just wasnt feeling it so I started romancing her with my  Diplomatic Warrior and long story short we ended up in the Rivalmance which I prefered anyway.And she did have awesome growth she didnt get the ship but grew as a person it was great.

[KoorahUK]

Yes, because people who have ambiguous preferences aren't nearly as convincing as people.

That wasn't my point. Having all LI's as bisexual is convenient for the player, no question. But in my view that convenience undermines the characters because their sexual preference is not part of who they are like Sera or Cassandra. Nobody is unattainable and to get anyone into bed with you all you need do is keep clicking the love heart on the dialogue wheel - no thinking or effort required.

I don't expect everyone to agree with me and I respect and understand the other point of view, but that's why I pefer defined preferences for companions - be they gay straight bi or pan. As

Please don't insinuate that I think bisexual people are inferior in some way. I don't.

[Mihura]

That wasn't my point. Having all LI's as bisexual is convenient for the player, no question. But in my view that convenience undermines the characters because their sexual preference is not part of who they are like Sera or Cassandra. Nobody is unattainable and to get anyone into bed with you all you need do is keep clicking the love heart on the dialogue wheel - no thinking or effort required.

I don't expect everyone to agree with me and I respect and understand the other point of view, but that's why I pefer defined preferences for companions - be they gay straight bi or pan. As

Please don't insinuate that I think bisexual people are inferior in some way. I don't.

 

I think that was not the point, there are more sexual preference than bi, pan, gay, lesbian or hetero. Some people are more ambiguous in nature that is all, they travel in the spectrum of sexuality more easily. 

[daveliam]

That wasn't my point. Having all LI's as bisexual is convenient for the player, no question. But in my view that convenience undermines the characters because their sexual preference is not part of who they are like Sera or Cassandra. Nobody is unattainable and to get anyone into bed with you all you need do is keep clicking the love heart on the dialogue wheel - no thinking or effort required.

I don't expect everyone to agree with me and I respect and understand the other point of view, but that's why I pefer defined preferences for companions - be they gay straight bi or pan. As

Please don't insinuate that I think bisexual people are inferior in some way. I don't.

 

But they had defined preferences.  They were bisexual.  So their sexual preference was part of their character.  There was a lack of diversity in the sexualities represented, but it's not factual to state that they didn't have defined preferences.

[Vita Brevis]

...They were playersexual.

At least that's how it felt like.

[daveliam]

...They were playersexual.

At least that's how it felt like.

 

They were not playersexual.  They did not change from straight to gay depending on the gender of your PC.  This has been confirmed countless times.  You might not like how their sexuality was represented, but it doesn't make them "playersexual".  In fact, "playersexuality" is a concept that arose on the forums, not in the games.  There has never been a "playersexual" LI in a Bioware game.

[Hellion Rex]

They were not playersexual.  They did not change from straight to gay depending on the gender of your PC.  This has been confirmed countless times.  You might not like how their sexuality was represented, but it doesn't make them "playersexual".  In fact, "playersexuality" is a concept that arose on the forums, not in the games.  There has never been a "playersexual" LI in a Bioware game.

Preach, Father Dave.

[daveliam]

Preach, Father Dave.

 

HA! That's make me sound like a priest.  Ugh.  (No offense to the Catholics)

[Hellion Rex]

 (No offense to the Catholics)

Ahem...

[Vita Brevis]

In fact, "playersexuality" is a concept that arose on the forums, not in the games.  There has never been a "playersexual" LI in a Bioware game.

There's a thin line between that, and I'm not sure Bioware didn't cross it in DA2.

Though I'm sure it's also because of the rivalry which is also questionable as hell, not only that fact alone.

[DameGrace]

They were not playersexual.  They did not change from straight to gay depending on the gender of your PC.  This has been confirmed countless times.  You might not like how their sexuality was represented, but it doesn't make them "playersexual".  In fact, "playersexuality" is a concept that arose on the forums, not in the games.  There has never been a "playersexual" LI in a Bioware game.

 

Well then, the forum had a reason to call them "playersexual". The romance paths for different genders were almost identical, so yes - I don't like how their informed bisexuality was represented. As far as I know, some bisexuals have preferences and even if they don't, they still behave differently with people of different genders. If you complete, for example, Anders' romance path with Male Hawke, then start a game anew and finish it with the Female Hawke, you get exactly the same replies (maybe apart from one or two) - this is pretty much a decent base for calling LIs "playersexual".

[KoorahUK]

But they had defined preferences. They were bisexual. So their sexual preference was part of their character. There was a lack of diversity in the sexualities represented, but it's not factual to state that they didn't have defined preferences.

Ok perhaps I should have said I found it odd all LI's shared the same preference then, one that made it very convenient for players and devs both.

It was almost as if they were in a rush or something.

I guess I felt their bisexuality was a tool for player agency rather than a part of who they were. I enjoyed it sure, but I think DA:I's approach is more in keeping with the games I want to play - where choice matters.

That's my view and only my view, I'm not trying to convince anyone who feels different that that are wrong.

[daveliam]

Well then, the forum had a reason to call them "playersexual". The romance paths for different genders were almost identical, so yes - I don't like how their informed bisexuality was represented. As far as I know, some bisexuals have preferences and even if they don't, they still behave differently with people of different genders. If you complete, for example, Anders' romance path with Male Hawke, then start a game anew and finish it with the Female Hawke, you get exactly the same replies (maybe apart from one or two) - this is pretty much a decent base for calling LIs "playersexual".

 

You should look into the games from Choice of Games.  They make text-based games for mobile devices (and online, I think) and they have romance functions in their games.  In some of their games, through a series of choices about your character (your gender, your sexuality), it actually changes the LI into a different gender or sexuality in order to be available to the player.  So the same character can be a straight male, gay male, straight female, or gay female and have the same lines (more or less) and play the same role in the game, all because it allows them to be available to the PC.  THAT is playersexuality.  If Anders suddenly became Andrea or if Merrill said, "I'm straight" to men and "I'm a lesbian" to women, then that would be an example of playersexuality. 

 

Now, if you are talking about LI's being attracted to a PC despite their actions (i.e. Fenris falling for a deranged, cruel Blood Mage slaver Hawke), then that's a different story.  That is pretty damned unbelievable.

[Sylvianus]

The forum only gave the the name to playersexual, people never created that concept. The forum more or less followed what was said on this matter. And no, it's not true that the devs always said that all the characters were bisexual. Stop spreading that crap, thank you.

 

http://miricagale.tu...ragon-age-2-was

 

David Gaider said

http://forum.bioware.../#entry12540939
 
1) The companions weren’t all bisexual in DA2. Two of them were. You being able to romance whoever you liked is not the same thing, outside of the idea that in some other reality you’re aware of the possibility that they might romance someone of a different gender.
 
http://forum.bioware...3#entry12584296
 
Once again— the romances are *not* “all bisexual”. While some people don’t like subjective sexuality, being aware of the fact some of your love interests could romance someone of the same gender in another game takes a back seat to fairness and fun gameplay.

[coldflame]

you must be a real hoot at end of the semester parties.

 

Lol, a bit mad that someone has a different world view than you ah?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I think that was not the point, there are more sexual preference than bi, pan, gay, lesbian or hetero. Some people are more ambiguous in nature that is all, they travel in the spectrum of sexuality more easily. 

Yeah, I was referring to the implication in that post that people without set preferences aren't as convincing as people when there are real people like that. 

 

 

The forum only gave the the name to playersexual, people never created that concept. The forum more or less followed what was said on this matter. And no, it's not true that the devs always said that all the characters were bisexual. Stop spreading that crap, thank you.

 

http://miricagale.tu...ragon-age-2-was

 

David Gaider said

 

I remember these posts. 

[CuriousArtemis]

That wasn't my point. Having all LI's as bisexual is convenient for the player, no question. But in my view that convenience undermines the characters because their sexual preference is not part of who they are like Sera or Cassandra. Nobody is unattainable and to get anyone into bed with you all you need do is keep clicking the love heart on the dialogue wheel - no thinking or effort required.

 

And to romance Morrigan or Cass, all you have to do is select "male" at the beginning... then keep clicking the flirt lines. No thinking or effort required.

 

Wow, so development. Much personality.

[CuriousArtemis]

As far as I know, some bisexuals have preferences and even if they don't, they still behave differently with people of different genders. If you complete, for example, Anders' romance path with Male Hawke, then start a game anew and finish it with the Female Hawke, you get exactly the same replies (maybe apart from one or two) 

 

It's a little more than a line or two. Children don't come up when you romance Merrill or Anders with a same-sex PC for instance... lol

 

What exactly did you want from them? How different should a person act around a boyfriend versus a girlfriend? I'm really curious. Personally, I don't see what the huge difference would be.

[Muspade]

May the press heart to continue (Lol, dodger) romance button burn in hell.

Amen.

[GreyVsGray]

The only real issue I had with Dragon Age 2 LI's was the fact that they were basically afterthoughts. You didn't get much in the way of bonuses or sweet little character nuggets like you did in Origins. This is a very small issue though. Aside from that, they were perf.

[CuriousArtemis]

May the press heart to continue (Lol, dodger) romance button burn in hell.

Amen.

 

I like the heart button; I just hope there are different flirt lines for different personalities this time.

[Chernaya]

I like the heart button; I just hope there are different flirt lines for different personalities this time.

 

Yeah! I would really like that. I've talked about it before with some people in the Varric thread. I remember some of the flirt lines for Anders I wasn't so fond of so it would be cool if the flirting took your PC's personality into consideration. 

[SamanthaJ]

I like the heart button; I just hope there are different flirt lines for different personalities this time.

 

Yeah! I would really like that. I've talked about it before with some people in the Varric thread. I remember some of the flirt lines for Anders I wasn't so fond of so it would be cool if the flirting took your PC's personality into consideration. 

Ooooooh, so I'm not the only one. I always thought some of the flirting felt awkward and too direct. I'd like it if there could be heart options that had similar dialogue to friendly caring options yet counted as romance flags. 

[Chernaya]

Ooooooh, so I'm not the only one. I always thought some of the flirting felt awkward and too direct. I'd like it if there could be heart options that had similar dialogue to friendly caring options yet counted as romance flags. 

 

Exactly haha. I mean I pressed all the hearts because I wanted to romance the character... but I didn't really want to call them sexy right after meeting them, ya know? xD Sometimes it's nice to take baby steps so I don't feel like a creep.