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[Xilizhra]

We lose the companion banter with advisors. In DA2 that has been a significant contribution to characterization. I am somewhat concerned but it's quite possible the writers have ideas to balance that lack.

 

Beyond "like me" has a range for me, too. I am gender-adaptable, so man or woman doesn't make a difference in my ability to play them, but I'm not orientation adaptable, f/f feels odd to me and m/m completely alien. Which still leaves me with 6 LIs I could romance with no problem at all in terms of roleplaying ability. In any case, personality and individual attractiveness are far greater limitations than gender plus orientation could ever be, cutting off about half of these 6 options, unless one or the other manages to surprise me.  

Which ones are cut off, and which are available?

[Ieldra]

Which ones are cut off, and which are available?

For me personally on the basis of attractiveness and what we know about personality, after removing Sera and Dorian because of orientation preferences:

 

IN: Blackwall, Solas and Josephine

OUT: Iron Bull (ugh), Cassandra and Cullen

 

These aren't set in stone though. I am willing to experiment, except with the Bull.

[Xilizhra]

For me personally on the basis of attractiveness and personality, after removing Sera and Dorian because of orientation preferences:

 

IN: Blackwall, Solas and Josephine

OUT: Iron Bull (ugh), Cassandra and Cullen

 

These aren't set in stone though. I am willing to experiment, except with the Bull.

Cassandra surprises me, I admit, given that she seems to be basically Miranda if Miranda worked for the Chantry instead of Cerberus (and wasn't a scientist, admittedly). But I got the other two correct.

 

Do you hate Iron Bull because of his boisterousness or his qunari status?

[jtav]

Right now my three strongest preferences are for Blackwall, Cass, and Josephine, with three different races. So I'm pretty flexible. I also have a dour human female mage I'm willing to take suggestions for.

[Ieldra]

Cassandra surprises me, I admit, given that she seems to be basically Miranda if Miranda worked for the Chantry instead of Cerberus (and wasn't a scientist, admittedly). But I got the other two correct.

 

Do you hate Iron Bull because of his boisterousness or his qunari status?

Cassandra has two things going against her: I don't find her attractive and she works for the Chantry. That she's possibly quite interesting is not enough to balance that. I don't dislike her and definitely want to know her better, I just don't want her as an LI, as of now

 

Cullen, yeah, he is quite attractive but he's fixed in my mind as DAI's pretty-boy AND he's a templar on top of it. Yet again, I don't dislike him but I don't want him as an LI.

 

Iron Bull, well, he's an alien. You know what I thought about interspecies romance in ME. Here the biology is not an issue but on my side, there is a degree of non-humanness beyond which I find characters unattractive to the point of being repulsive. Friendship is very much OK with them as long as they're interesting enough, but sex? Unthinkable. On top of that, the Iron Bull is the type of character I find completely boring and uninteresting. Really, he has absolutely nothing going for him. He'll probably be my least-used companion in all three DA games. Well, maybe except for Oghren, who would be good competition except that he's required for DAA. You have no idea how much I resented that my least favorite DAO companion made a return as a required one in DAA.

 

Anyway, I do have Blackwall, who I find interesting as well as attractive-by-proxy in an altogether weird manner, Josephine, whose role as diplomat hints that she may somewhat fit my preferences personality-wise and who I also find attractive, and Solas who is a foregone conclusion because of his unique views on magic and knowledge of the Fade. He takes, so to say, Miranda's slot in that.

[foolishquinn]

This Op pretty much sums up that people are not happy they did not get what they wanted.
Sure im pissed to my fem qunari and cadish are not getting cullen and solas.
My dude havin no sera.
But thats life and we can have nice love intrests we find we like, if we are lucky.

Such an sanatamonus rant. Just no mountins out of mole hills please

[Sir DeLoria]

Cullen, yeah, he is quite attractive but he's fixed in my mind as DAI's pretty-boy AND he's a templar on top of it.

This is precisely why I like Cullen the most out of the male options so far

[SmilesJA]

Cassandra has two things going against her: I don't find her attractive and she works for the Chantry. That she's possibly quite interesting is not enough to balance that. I don't dislike her and definitely want to know her better, I just don't want her as an LI, as of now

 

Cullen, yeah, he is quite attractive but he's fixed in my mind as DAI's pretty-boy AND he's a templar on top of it. Yet again, I don't dislike him but I don't want him as an LI.

 

Iron Bull, well, he's an alien. You know what I thought about interspecies romance in ME. Here the biology is not an issue but on my side, there is a degree of non-humanness beyond which I find characters unattractive to the point of being repulsive. Friendship is very much OK with them as long as they're interesting enough, but sex? Unthinkable. On top of that, the Iron Bull is the type of character I find completely boring and uninteresting. Really, he has absolutely nothing going for him. He'll probably be my least-used companion in all three DA games. Well, maybe except for Oghren, who would be good competition except that he's required for DAA. You have no idea how much I resented that my least favorite DAO companion made a return as a required one in DAA.

 

Anyway, I do have Blackwall, who I find interesting as well as attractive-by-proxy in an altogether weird manner, Josephine, whose role as diplomat hints that she may somewhat fit my preferences personality-wise and who I also find attractive, and Solas who is a foregone conclusion because of his unique views on magic and knowledge of the Fade. He takes, so to say, Miranda's slot in that.

 

Come on you gotta ride bull at least once! Who knows, he'll probably be just as interesting as Miranda.

[Ieldra]

This is precisely why I like Cullen the most out of the male options so far

It would be rather boring if we all had the same preferences, wouldn't it? Really, the only thing I regret in the present setup is that Dorian is gay. That's a real bummer. He would be perfect for the type of Inquisitor I most like to play, he's hugely attractive and he represents an ideology I support. Ah well, I do prefer fixed orientations and if this is the price I have to pay for it I'll accept it.

[jtav]

Bull isn't my type either. At all. Only thing he has going for him is that'd be easy to come up with a character for him.

[Ieldra]

Come on you gotta ride bull at least once! Who knows, he'll probably be just as interesting as Miranda.

That is...very unlikely.

 

And even if he were, the degree of non-humanness would still rule out anything more than a close, completely non-sexual friendship.

[JAZZ_LEG3ND]

If you don't say anything then it's your own fault if nothing changes.

Oh I'm not suggesting anyone be silent, but perhaps feedback would be more valuable after the game has been played, no?
 

I'm concerned the writers' have decided the focus on their female players when it comes to Romances. This, in and of itself, is fine and within their rights and maybe makes the best sense. But if, in doing so, less and less resources are allocated to something I do like in the game (female romances), then I should probably point out that I like the romances too.

This I certainly understand. However, in the non-expanded romance pool, everyone received two options. They built a careful web of options to give everyone an equal share. The lopsided balance we see now is a result of extra development time, and as you said, choosing to focus that extra time on the straight female Inquisitor isn't, in and of itself, wrong. The straight male quota had already been filled.

 

The straight male Inquisitor has the same two options from past games, only Inquisition is the "biggest Dragon Age Bioware has ever built." I think your interests are in good hands. Even if you can't get in touch with Cassandra's romantic side, Josephine is quite the contrast. And I'm sure Bioware have thought of ways to make her romance arc interesting even though she isn't a companion. These people are professionals.

 

"the complaints were minimal".

Complaints are a good way to get heard, but they're not a good way to talk. A lot of what I see is unfounded kneejerking. Minimal analysing reveals a plethora of potential content directed specifically at straight male Inquisitors.

I say Inquisitor, not player, because the distinction is relevant.

[JAZZ_LEG3ND]

That is...very unlikely.

 

And even if he were, the degree of non-humanness would still rule out anything more than a close, completely non-sexual friendship.

 

Think of it as symbolism. He’s really horny.

[Bugsie]

On top of that, the Iron Bull is the type of character I find completely boring and uninteresting. Really, he has absolutely nothing going for him. He'll probably be my least-used companion in all three DA games. Well, maybe except for Oghren, who would be good competition except that he's required for DAA. You have no idea how much I resented that my least favorite DAO companion made a return as a required one in DAA.

 

 Aesthetics I get, gender preferences I get, sexual orientations I get.  But until we’ve actually played the game – I really don’t understand how assumptions can be made about character (They’re ‘boring’ or ‘submissive’ are two terms I’ve heard) or the role they play in the narrative. 

 

I get that the character archetype may not be to your liking but stating they have ‘nothing going for them’ seems a bit farcical to me.

[sunnydxmen]

 

 

 

 

[CuriousArtemis]

I get that the character archetype may not be to your liking but stating they have ‘nothing going for them’ seems a bit farcical to me.

 

Yeah I'm pretty turned off by the archetypes the two love interests that are available to my quizzy represent, but I'm not passing judgment until I actually play the game. Also, fan speculation can really color how you see the characters... for example, when people talk about Bull, it's usually about sex and #RidetheBull, and when people draw Dorian, he's either fainting or sparkling lol (massive over-exaggeration, I know). Neither of those is interesting to me, let alone appealing, but those are fan speculations... I can't imagine BioWare ever making such one dimensional characters.

 

I do have aesthetic issues with both those guys, but ah well. I'll go with the option I dislike the least and then hope for mods for the second playthrough.

[aTigerslunch]

Super Drone, come back in a few months and tell me you hated Cassie after grouping with her.

 

Also, no! hetero males will not loose LIs when 2 is the normal for them in last two titles, now three titles. There are plenty of straight males within Bioware to keep straight male LIs going just fine.  Also, you are prejudging characters without talking to them first. Cassie wasn't in full light of showing who she is/was in Dawn of Seeker, and hardly got to see much of her in DA2, she is a romantic, she doesn't take sh*t from anyone. She doesn't let people walk all over her. There is a lot more than this we don't know yet. Cant say know everything about her.

 

My thing is, wait and see.  I am not going to be surprised when many of these Cassie haters end up loving her.

[Chernaya]

I'm actually really surprised, (but also happy) to see how popular Bull is here on the BSN, from that poll many of us participated in... I wonder how that will translate over to the general audience. I know I'm very much interested in him but a big chunk of that is curiosity and it being something new we haven't had before. Though yes, I did assume he wouldn't be as popular as he is because of how non-human he looks. I guess it's another lesson about assuming.

[Bugsie]

Yeah I'm pretty turned off by the archetypes the two love interests that are available to my quizzy represent, but I'm not passing judgment until I actually play the game. Also, fan speculation can really color how you see the characters... for example, when people talk about Bull, it's usually about sex and #RidetheBull, and when people draw Dorian, he's either fainting or sparkling lol (massive over-exaggeration, I know). Neither of those is interesting to me, let alone appealing, but those are fan speculations... I can't imagine BioWare ever making such one dimensional characters.

 

I do have aesthetic issues with both those guys, but ah well. I'll go with the option I dislike the least and then hope for mods for the second playthrough.

I'm holding back because the characters I find the least appealing may actually have some redeeming features.  Looks and orientation alone dont sell the characters to me only how I percieve them in game and their responses to my inquisitor through conversations and their overall story arc.  I'm not sold on Cullen for example, but I'm not willing to dismiss him either.  And yeah fan perceptions can colour things for you - the main reason I don't participate in most of the character threads - mainly that I fear I will go into the game with a preconcieved notion based on speculation and at odds with Biowares intent for the character and story.

 

Aesthetics are important - but what I find pleasing is very different to what others might like!

[RenAdaar]

They do, bisexual female elves have 6 options.

Bisexual female elf inquisitor gets all the love

[CuriousArtemis]

I'm holding back because the characters I find the least appealing may actually have some redeeming features.  Looks and orientation alone dont sell the characters to me only how I percieve them in game and their responses to my inquisitor through conversations and their overall story arc.  I'm not sold on Cullen for example, but I'm not willing to dismiss him either.  And yeah fan perceptions can colour things for you - the main reason I don't participate in most of the character threads - mainly that I fear I will go into the game with a preconcieved notion based on speculation and at odds with Biowares intent for the character and story.

 

Aesthetics are important - but what I find pleasing is very different to what others might like!

 

Very true!! I can't seem to stop whining about Dorian... yet he has legions of fanboys and fangirls!

 

Yeah, looks aren't everything... it just would have been nice to get one of the LIs I actually found attractive

[SmilesJA]

Very true!! I can't seem to stop whining about Dorian... yet he has legions of fanboys and fangirls!

 

Yeah, looks aren't everything... it just would have been nice to get one of the LIs I actually found attractive

 

I can't stop crying over not being able to romance Varric and Vieviene! 

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[Chernaya]

I can't stop crying over not being able to romance Varric and Vieviene! 

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Accurate image depiction of how I felt about Varric being non-romancable.

[Ina]

Accurate image depiction of how I felt about Varric being non-romancable.

 

You know given we can't romance him I hope he at least gets some closure on the Bianca front, either a re-union or moves on. I'd be happy to see him happy.

[Bugsie]

Very true!! I can't seem to stop whining about Dorian... yet he has legions of fanboys and fangirls!

 

Yeah, looks aren't everything... it just would have been nice to get one of the LIs I actually found attractive

I love Dorian's look... I love Blackwall's beard and Sera's raggedy haircut.  I like IB eyepatch and Viviennes extravagant hat.  I love that aesthetics wise there is a lot to look at and love, the scenery, the humans, the sky even. Not to forget all that damn ear candy going on.  Geez, I am going to have to have playthrough where I just close my eyes and listen to the voices.

 

I know lots of things arent to everyone's personal taste, but I can't help but feel like a kid in a candy store.