Funnily, that same German died in an insane asylum.
*shrug*
That's german's for you, the awesome ones are always a bit insane.
I could tell you a lot about that considering my family is hip deep in them (we married into them a few centuries back and the practice just kept up until the modern era)
I didn't say I'd be a gatherer. Just a hunter. That's the easy work.
Especially when you're in a locale that offers game, day in day out. This wouldn't be prehistoric Africa or anything.
Secondly though, I'd still be part of a community.
Hunting easy work? Have you EVER had to hunt, where if you didn't catch anything, it would mean you had to go to bed on an empty stomach?
Being a hunter in a Dalish Clan means you hold on of the posistions with the most social responsibility to the rest of the Clan, you CANNOT be lazy in that role, sicne the ENTIRE clan is dependant on your succes.
Yes, you'd be part of a community. But for how long? If you repeatedly refused to contribute to the community and insisted on wasting your day away every day, you would be kicked out before you could say: "Let the others do it".
As I said, you cannot be a lazy person and thrive in a hunter/gatherer community.
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Hunting easy work? Have you EVER had to hunt, where if you didn't catch anything, it would mean you had to go to bed on an empty stomach?
Being a hunter in a Dalish Clan means you hold on of the posistions with the most social responsibility to the rest of the Clan, you CANNOT be lazy in that role, sicne the ENTIRE clan is dependant on your succes.
Yes, you'd be part of a community. But for how long? If you repeatedly refused to contribute to the community and insisted on wasting your day away every day, you would be kicked out before you could say: "Let the others do it".
As I said, you cannot be a lazy person and thrive in a hunter/gatherer community.
lmao. Of course I haven't gone on an empty stomach. Fortunately, I'm privileged enough that I'm wasting time on the internet posting at BSN. 
That I have time for this is probably a good indicator that I'm not "living on the edge" or anything.
At this point in Western society, you'd be hard pressed to find an actual hunter doing it out of necessity.
You're taking every one of my statements the wrong way. Or maybe I'm being too brief for my own good. Either/or. My original point about lazing in the woods was an off-the-cuff remark, and then you got on my ass for that. Now you're going to get picky about "genuine hunting experiences" or something. When I say it's easy, I'm contrasting it with a pastoral or agricultural based society. Now THAT is constant work.
That is all. Try not to make it more than it is.
1. Follow it? Sure. People follow dumb religions that make them unhappy just to belong all the time. Follow them and be able to internalize the teaching and truly live the life? Very, very, very few people.
2. I always assumed Qunari just aren't like humans and other races. I assume they operated under different hormone balances, and had different instinctual responses to things like pair bonding, libido and child-parent bonds. With characters like Iron Bull around, I am starting to think the Qun was a faith that survived as long as it did due to isolation. People can be convinced to live a certain way if they have no alternative to reference it to. But now, there exposure to other cultures will cause them to slowly erode away until they cut their losses and remain on Par Vollen to keep their culture untainted, or shatter themselves attempting to wipe out all the other cultures in Thedas, putting any dissidents at all (which would be thousands and thousands) to the sword.
Or, some enterprising Ariqun will take the pragmatic approach and accept that they will need to adapt their culture to accept humans. Not the other way around.
Yeah, I think people would have a much easier time internalizing it than you might think.
Which scares me about humans.
Sex is not a basic need, you won't die without sex, your body won't become ill without it hence no one is entitled to having sex. It's a privilege, not a rightAsexuality is not a learned trait. You are or you aren't. Repressing your sexuality leads to psychosis, depression and a tortured existence.
When I first read the Qun stance on sex and reltionships, it sounded like something that would appeal to asexuals who don't understand how verisexuals work.
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Sex is not a basic need, you won't die without sex, your body won't become ill without it hence no one is entitled to having sex. It's a privilege, not a right
Sex may not be a need, but masturbation might. 
Either way, I think the "release" attained by them is pretty central to existence. The idea of coupling in the way the Qun forbids though? no.
Not really. Food, water, sleep and minimal amount of exercise are the needs. Without them the body grows weak and eventually dies. Everything else is a privilegeSex may not be a need, but masturbation might.
Either way, I think the "release" attained by them is pretty central to existence. The idea of coupling in the way the Qun forbids though? no.
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Not really. Food, water, sleep and minimal amount of exercise are the needs. Without them the body grows weak and eventually dies. Everything else is a privilege
Some people are so celibate they don't even masturbate and be sure they won't die because of that
Sex serves only one function and that is reproduction, pleasure is nothing but Mother Nature's trick to make us more willing to do it
I can understand commited celibacy, but I have a hard time believing it comes easy. Wouldn't be a much of a challenge or commitment otherwise.
You're right about it not being crucial to existence, of course. I'd rather use the word "need" loosely here. If we stripped everything down to bare bones existence, life need not be better than an amoeba or some modern industrialized chicken locked up in the same small craphole, prepared for slaughter.
You overestimate the difficulty. Life is full of interesting things, just find a hobby or a passion and sex will be the last thing you'll think aboutI can understand commited celibacy, but I have a hard time believing it comes easy. Wouldn't be a much of a challenge or commitment otherwise.
You're right about it not being crucial to existence, of course. I'd rather use the word "need" loosely here. If we stripped everything down to bare bones existence, life need not be better than an amoeba or some modern industrialized chicken locked up in the same small craphole, prepared for slaughter.
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You overestimate the difficulty. Life is full of interesting things, just find a hobby or a passion and sex will be the last thing you'll think about
The chicken doesn't get enough excersise to keep body highly functional so it's not the best example
And yes, that's what a basic need is. If you won't die without it, you don't really need it
If we didn't need them, life would have never evolved much. Yet life keeps striving for more than this.
Probably getting off the subject here, but it's interesting to me. I'm not exactly arguing with you. Just musing out loud. Wondering now what a "need" truly is or isn't.
You overestimate Mother Nature's professionalism, her goal is to make us survive and reproduce no matter what cost. Evolution sometimes result in bizarre thingsIf we didn't need them, life would have never evolved much. Yet life keeps striving for more than this.
Probably getting off the subject here, but it's interesting to me. I'm not exactly arguing with you. Just musing out loud. Wondering now what a "need" truly is or isn't.
The people who agree with the Qun are obviously not mages.
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You overestimate Mother Nature's professionalism, her goal is to make us survive and reproduce no matter what cost. Evolution sometimes result in bizarre things
Your body needs it to live? It's a basic need. You body doesn't? Then it isn't. It's that simple
lol.. I don't know about professionalism. I was just sort of recalling something Carl Sagan said. That "life is a way for the Cosmos to know itself". My mind started trailing off on that note. What if the main impetus of bonding wasn't originally reproduction per se, but finding the "other" (I'm talking on cellular level here btw). Reproduction could have just been a byproduct of that original need. But as life evolved more and more, it found all kinds of ways to understand the world around it.
Anyhow.. don't mind me.
Main purpose of sex is reproduction. Anything else is but a side effectlol.. I don't know about professionalism. I was just sort of recalling something Carl Sagan said. That "life is a way for the Cosmos to know itself". My mind started trailing off on that note. What if the main impetus of bonding wasn't originally reproduction per se, but finding the "other" (I'm talking on cellular level here btw). Reproduction could have just been a byproduct of that original need. But as life evolved more and more, it found all kinds of ways to understand the world around it.
Anyhow.. don't mind me.
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Main purpose of sex is reproduction. Anything else is but a side effect
Life exists to recreate itself, otherwise any species ceases to exist
Still sex is not a basic need unless I dunno you are ferret or sth similar
So prosaic.
Let me muse on meaning of existence. And what needs might that entail. You can stick to mechanics.
The people who agree with the Qun are obviously not mages.
Most people who agree with the Qun has something related to the Arishok.
It's weird for me in that I agree with all of the values of the Qun but virtually none of the practices, though I do agree with their core practice of giving everyone an assigned role in their society and love that all are protected and not discriminated against. I'd say I agree with the Qun overall, though I'd change some things.
Sten in DA:O I liked in theory (the general idea of his character) but never actually really enjoyed him in-game and often got annoyed with him. Really it was the Arishok and DA2 Qunari that impressed me, minus the whole slaughter part ofc =\
There is one meaning of life and that is life itselfSo prosaic.
Let me muse on meaning of existence. And what needs might that entail. You can stick to mechanics.
The people who agree with the Qun are obviously not mages.
Yeah, well, neither are the people who disagree!
Yeah, well, neither are the people who disagree!
You don't know me!
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There is one meaning of life and that is life itself
Personal meanings of life are personal, hence optional
I'm not talking about personal meanings.
I tried to say that with the Sagan quote. "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself." This isn't exactly a "personal meaning". It's general.
We - that is, life - are nothing but castaway stardust. Yet we became "alive" at some point. And the quest to understand the world around us must've been a "need" from the very start. At the cellular level. To move. To bond. To seek. There was "meaning" in this discovery process. Or rather, the discovery process is meaning itself.
What I'm getting at though is that reproduction could've been just a byproduct of this original need. That perhaps first we became seekers, then reproducers.
edit: Sorry, I'm a little tired, so I hope I articulated my point. Getting way off the subject though...
Cells, matter, energy have no mind or "aim" of their own scientifically speaking. Unless you mean the spiritual level but I wasn't talking about itI'm not talking about personal meanings.
I tried to say that with the Sagan quote. "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself." This isn't exactly a "personal meaning". It's general.
We - that is, life - are nothing but castaway stardust. Yet we became "alive" at some point. And the quest to understand the world around us must've been a "need" from the very start. At the cellular level. To move. To bond. To seek. There was "meaning" in this discovery process. Or rather, the discovery process is meaning itself.
What I'm getting at though is that reproduction could've been just a byproduct of this original need. That perhaps first we became seekers, then reproducers.
edit: Sorry, I'm a little tired, so I hope I articulated my point. Getting way off the subject though...
All meaning to life is assigned by sentience.
The Qun has no intrinsic meaning.
Except the value its adherents give it.
Which can be all encompassing.
The Qun says you will do just fine without casual and weekly dose of sexAll meaning to life is assigned by sentience.
The Qun has no intrinsic meaning.
Except the value its adherents give it.
Which can be all encompassing.
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Cells, matter, energy have no mind or "aim" of their own scientifically speaking. Unless you mean the spiritual level but I wasn't talking about it
On the organic level reproduction, consumption on energy are the basic principles of life. You eat, you live, you reproduce and then you might as well die and MN won't give a damn. She cares less about pretty feelings
No, I don't mean pretty feelings. Don't make me out to some vapid New Age person or something. Please 
I was talking about a sense of meaning in discovery. From the onset of life until now, discovery and finding context is a basic "need". We keep insisting on it. And developing means to discover further. I only wonder why that is. Life seems to wanrt more than consume energy or reproduce.
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