Eh hate Petrice this whole situation could of been avoided if she did not antagonize them or started a zealot army to murder his soldiers. Plus she murdered one of the qun's members the viscount son and the qun demands justice for his death so she got arrowed and they left.
Eh hate Petrice this whole situation could of been avoided if she did not antagonize them or started a zealot army to murder his soldiers. Plus she murdered one of the qun's members the viscount son and the qun demands justice for his death so she got arrowed and they left.
Petrice was doing what she believed she had to. Not saying she was right, but from her perspective her actions make perfect sense. The Maker will only return when everyone follows the Chant of Light. If one holds to that belief, as she does, and as every follower of Andraste should, the Qunari had to be stopped. Conversions to the Qun could not be allowed. The authorities - church and secular alike - were not removing the Qunari. She turned to the only resource she had available - the fanaticism of zealots. The stakes, eternity, were too high to do otherwise.
Petrice was doing what she believed she had to. Not saying she was right, but from her perspective her actions make perfect sense. The Maker will only return when everyone follows the Chant of Light. If one holds to that belief, as she does, and as every follower of Andraste should, the Qunari had to be stopped. Conversions to the Qun could not be allowed. The authorities - church and secular alike - were not removing the Qunari. She turned to the only resource she had available - the fanaticism of zealots. The stakes, eternity, were too high to do otherwise.
True but what is interesting is that the Arishok at first reached a compromise with the viscount even though the qun said he should convert these people right away he did this for several years despite what everyone is doing to them. I think it really shows their integrity and I respect him for that even if I disagree with some of their ideals.
It was a murder of the faithful.
Honestly after thinking about it it seems that da2 is showing at times that Inaction can sometimes lead to worse problems down the line, I mean look at Elthina yeah its sad that she died but if she did something we could of possibly prevented the issues that occurred in act 3 and possibly prevented her death.
Of course, if Hawke had sensibly put down Anders, like they had every single other abominations they came across Act 3 could have been avoided. Similarly, if Hawke had killed Petrice back in Act 1 when she was a defenseless no-namer who ran off to the slums a lot of act two problems could have been avoided.
When it comes to inaction Hawke is just as guilty, if not more so, than most of the main actors.
Of course, if Hawke had sensibly put down Anders, like they had every single other abominations they came across Act 3 could have been avoided. Similarly, if Hawke had killed Petrice back in Act 1 when she was a defenseless no-namer who ran off to the slums a lot of act two problems could have been avoided.
When it comes to inaction Hawke is just as guilty, if not more so, than most of the main actors.
To be fair, the rogue mage healing the poor people for free is not exactly someone you'd expect would be planning to nuke the Chantry and start a damn-near global war at first glance.
Act 1 Anders no probably not, but Act 2 lets kill an innocent mage who I supposedly care about because the voice in my head told me too Anders... that's a different matter.
Act 1 Anders no probably not, but Act 2 lets kill an innocent mage who I supposedly care about because the voice in my head told me too Anders... that's a different matter.
Remind me, which one was that? Because his tranquilized loverboy literally begs you to kill him when he gets cured for a moment.
The mage girl in act 2 for his personal quest dissent. After you go through all the trouble of rescuing her from Ser 'Final Solution' Alrik, Justice then decides its good idea to try and kill her any ways.
am sorry but i can't see why anyone would want to join the Qun it is worst then Tevinter in tevinter their slavery but not all slaves are elves there Humans Elves qunari what have you but a lot of people become slaves because they have no other choice its either be homeless or have a place to work and live and be fed everyday remember what Fernis sister said when they were free there lives was so much harder than when they were slave he got the better end of the deal also elven slaves can also be freed and have limited rights and if they have a child with magic they can join the circles and become members of the magocracy there alot of freedom for people even in one of the so called Worst nations in Thedas the Qunari form of slavery is so much worst they lobotomized you they take out what makes you you then make you work the fields or in the mines for them no matter what you say the Qunari are horrible there no freedom in the Qun that's why there will always be people who will fight it
there also something that the rest of thedas has that the Qunari don't you can rise up in the ranks of your life just because your father was a farmer doesn't mean you can't join the military and become a high ranking officer or become a merchant and create a trade empire that something you can never do being a member of the Qun no matter how hard you work you can never go above your station lets say your a farmer and one day you decide you want to help fight for your people so you join the military lets say in Ferelden they will train you and gear you ready for battle but the Qunari will say no and reeducate you your purpose in life can never change the qunari way of life slavery no matter what you say
finally i have a question why do people think the Tevinter Imperium is throwing everything they got at the qunari they really not they are sending grunts and low level circle mages to fight not the Archon level mages no one who part of the senate and only a handful of magisters fight in Sehron and those are the ones who are trying to prove themselves so again i just would like to know why would people say they are throwing everything at the Qunari
The mage girl in act 2 for his personal quest dissent. After you go through all the trouble of rescuing her from Ser 'Final Solution' Alrik, Justice then decides its good idea to try and kill her any ways.
am sorry but i can't see why anyone would want to join the Qun it is worst then Tevinter in tevinter their slavery but not all slaves are elves there Humans Elves qunari what have you but a lot of people become slaves because they have no other choice its either be homeless or have a place to work and live and be fed everyday
there also something that the rest of thedas has that the Qunari don't you can rise up in the ranks of your life just because your father was a farmer doesn't mean you can't join the military and become a high ranking officer or become a merchant and create a trade empire that something you can never do being a member of the Qun no matter how hard you work you can never go above your station lets say your a farmer and one day you decide you want to help fight for your people so you join the military lets say in Ferelden they will train you and gear you ready for battle but the Qunari will say no and reeducate you your purpose in life can never change the qunari way of life slavery no matter what you say
finally i have a question why do people think the Tevinter Imperium is throwing everything they got at the qunari they really not they are sending grunts and low level circle mages to fight not the Archon level mages no one who part of the senate and only a handful of magisters fight in Sehron and those are the ones who are trying to prove themselves so again i just would like to know why would people say they are throwing everything at the Qunari
As was the murder of the viscount's son to the qunari.
It is no murder to kill Qunari.
They wish to enslave every living soul to their dogma, to the Qun anything that exists outside of it is useless only to convert, to die or be stripped of their minds and will.
It is an abhorrent state of life: Thedas would honestly just be a better place if all the Qunari were dead and merely a historical faction.
bit extreme not all are combants... ROE still applies even against zealotsIt is no murder to kill Qunari. They wish to enslave every living soul to their dogma, to the Qun anything that exists outside of it is useless only to convert, to die or be stripped of their minds and will. It is an abhorrent state of life: Thedas would honestly just be a better place if all the Qunari were dead and merely a historical faction.
It is no murder to kill Qunari.
They wish to enslave every living soul to their dogma, to the Qun anything that exists outside of it is useless only to convert, to die or be stripped of their minds and will.
It is an abhorrent state of life: Thedas would honestly just be a better place if all the Qunari were dead and merely a historical faction.
I suppose I should point out that enslaving everyone to their dogma is a crucial part of the chant of light as well. You know, the whole 'when the chant is heard in every corner of the world' part?
And what happens then?
Every one worships the same God, and?
They aren't mindless laborers, they aren't stripped of free will and forced into a meritocracy that will demand execution before dishonor.
You call it hypocrisy, i label it a much lesser evil.
A good Qunari only happends when they are slaves of the Imperium. (So good to see that they exist.)
while i disagree with the chantry. The chant that says it must be sung from all over is widely open to interpataion. It may just have to be practiced from par vollen to orzammar. Idk where cultural cleansing comes from. Chantry zealots be forceful about but most just wish to open missionariesWell now there's a lovely piece of hypocrisy.So killing a young man who willingly converted to a faith of his choice isn't murder, but killing someone who tried to have you killed, murdered the son of a ruling official because of his choice of faith and using his death to instigate a city-wide riot is somehow a terrible act of murder?I suppose I should point out that enslaving everyone to their dogma is a crucial part of the chant of light as well. You know, the whole 'when the chant is heard in every corner of the world' part?
dk where cultural cleansing comes from.
It comes from nowhere, people cherry pick a singular historical event and suit it to their purposes.
Qun converts that refused to leave rivain after the war, the treaty called for all Qunari to leave mainland Thedas, it was a breach of a treaty that came after two centuries of war, they remained, they refused to adopt the Maker once more and so they were killed.
Honestly...I've seen killing done for worse reasons.
And what happens then?
Every one worships the same God, and?
They aren't mindless laborers, they aren't stripped of free will and forced into a meritocracy that will demand execution before dishonor.
You call it hypocrisy, i label it a much lesser evil.
my macabre sense of humor seeks to ask but it off topic blast...It comes from nowhere, people cherry pick a singular historical event and suit it to their purposes. Qun converts that refused to leave rivain after the war, the treaty called for all Qunari to leave mainland Thedas, it was a breach of a treaty that came after two centuries of war, they remained, they refused to adopt the Maker once more and so they were killed. Honestly...I've seen killing done for worse reasons.
A lesser evil doesn't erase it's still an evil.
Evil by default doesn't mean "bad".
In so far as ineffective, negative, etc.
Its only a futile expression of morality from those who still think that will define above your average walking sack of meat.
But that said for all i can say about morality not mattering; i find fault with the Qun for a much differing reasoning: They strip away choice, the individual, its why i loath communism and all its offshoots, its why i loath direct democracy, its why i loath fascism. Honestly that's about the only thing National Socialism has going for it, the individual rising based upon their own effort, their own destiny.
Anyway, enough harping on reality based ideologies, i need to speak of the Qun.
amusingly, nobody ever mentions elves have it much better under the Qun
Assuming they don't mind leaving under a Junta i suppose.
It comes from nowhere, people cherry pick a singular historical event and suit it to their purposes.
Qun converts that refused to leave rivain after the war, the treaty called for all Qunari to leave mainland Thedas, it was a breach of a treaty that came after two centuries of war, they remained, they refused to adopt the Maker once more and so they were killed.
Honestly...I've seen killing done for worse reasons.
Oh, not just Rivain. There's the entirety of elven culture as well. The March on the Dales was a total ethnic cleansing of everything elven
If that was the truth the the elves today wouldn't exist, they exist because the Chantry stayed its hand and allowed them a place in the world.
Well, turns out that free will is overrated in the Chantry as well, so he was murdered.
Because he converted to a cult that has and will likely try again to dominate the entirety of Thedas.
Honestly it reminds me of those death cults that sprung up and worshiped the blight and darkspawn, I'm sure they were put to the sword as well.
The Individual has meaning, it has rights and purpose until that interferes with the continuation of society, of civilization.
After that? Its just one person compared to everyone else.
but let's not pretend that the Chantry is a 'lesser' evil here.
Don't need to pretend.
It is.
By a large margin.
What is evil is up to you as i said i wouldn't see qun in fact as "lesser evil" if something than chantry i want to point that chantry societies are extremely corrupted and abusive when qunari have very low level of corruption also aren't abusive save for mages.Also as i said don't pretend that thedas offer freedom.Qunari societies have in much less faults than we saw in thedas.
Given we have never see what is behind the iron curtain and that they have rebels that seem to have been a long standing war with them...i'm doubtful about the "incorruptibility" of the Qun.
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