If we really want to learn about the Qun, we need to talk to a priest. Sten and the Arishok are soldiers its not their job to educate us. Iron Bull however is a Ben-Hassrath, hopefully he can explain it to us in greater detail.
Well so was Tallis and she was horrible at it.
Because some people in real life are communists or socialists. The idea of collectivism, clearly defined roles in society and being part of a greater whole is appealing for some.
For an individualist, the Qun is a nightmare.
Yes... well... you see some enjoy the idea of a collective society, where... well... people are tools designed to perform a task, and you see... as long as they are well cared for tools... well... it's suddenly a good idea.
Personally, as an individualist nothing could be further from a utopian society, and closer to hell, than the Qunari society, pretty much like Spaghetti_Ninja points out.
False. Qunari under the Ariqun can very well be spies, who are able to fight. And both genders can be under the Ariqun. So Yeah, there are women who can fight in the Qun.See, that's not true. You could be the best manager ever, but if you happen to be born male, you're out of luck. Likewise, you could be a really talented warrior, but if you are female, get ready to spend your life keeping books.
The Turian Hiearchy is a meritocracy. The Qun is the exact opposite.
False as well. A qunari woman can't join the Beeresaad. She can't be a soldier. A qunari man can't be a Merchant, artisan, etc. Only the qunari under the Ariqun, the priest path, can be both women and men.
The ONLY role in which a male has to fill is the Arishok.
The ONLY role in which a female has to fill is the Arigena.
Aside from that sex means nothing. Obviously a sex is genetically more fit to do certain things, but if skill is shown then sex can...and will be looked over.
"efficient" "effective" "efficacious"
On a small note: The Qunari aren't all that good at keeping converts.
If you get Sten's approval High Enough, he flat out says Tal-Vashoth are the biggest enemy the Qunari have.
Not Tevinter.Not the rest of Thedas.
Their own rebels and religious dissidents.
And they have to make large portions of the populace Tranquil.
The Qun is not really any more stable than the rest of Thedas.
Well, yes an no. While there certainly are people who want to escape from the oppressive nature of the Qun, there are as many others who embrace it and refuse to return even when offered the opportunity.
The entirety of Northern Rivain for example had converted to the Qun during the qunari wars. When the area was given back to Rivain following the Llomeryn Accords, the Chantry found it impossible to convert the populace back to the Maker worship. The entire north was put to the sword to get rid of them.
It all depends on where you're coming from. From our modern western point of view, the Qun is an oppressive hell-hole we would celebrate to be free from. But go to... say, Africa or South America and I expect you'd find many people who's living quality isn't as good as ours ready to convert. To many of the people there, the Qun is a step up.
its acually fairly genius, realistically choices are more stress then good speaking psychologically.
http://blog.ted.com/...-doesnt-always/
its acually really simple the more options available the less likly you are to be 100% happy with your choice, if their is no choice then you know you have the correct answer. When interviewed after 10 years of marrage both men and women in arranged marriges state they are happier then those who marryed for love. the qun is simply this,
1. All people of the qun have purpose
Everyone craves purpose its why all religions exsist they give purpose people without purpose quickly get depressed, the Wealthy are often just as unhappy as the poor because at the end of the day being an individual is great until you realise going your own direction in life means just that you going in your own direction by yourself serving your own goals then you get old then you die having moved nothing forward but yourself, who is now dead. morbid
2. you know what you need to strive for.
You know those moments in life where you know what you have to do and how to do it? the moment of clarity when your 100% sure of something that comforting feeling is ever present within the Qun. i am an armor smith well i know i need to strive to be the best one i can
3. True equality
in the Qun they have managed to break the rule that has shown that a total lack of individual thought sucks in the real world, as in We still use it. a Communist country is fine until the leaders crave power if everythings split evenly then taking more for oneself takes from another. The Qun has shown the oppisite the leadership is devoted to the cause living in the Qun is probobly diffrent then you think anyway because...
4. its a freaken paradise
have you ever seen an out of shape qunari i sure havent and being in the qun means you get fed and have a place to live for life! Your gonna end up in shape as stated earlier and on top of that they are stated to be a far more advanced society then the rest of thedas and it has been noted that the people of par vollen live longer due to better medical technology. The best part though is that you know whatever you do your gonna be awesome as you job is not just given to you willy nilly but is given based on what you are best at.
5. (could be incorrect) i am pretty sure Iron Bull is still part of the Qun could be wrong there that said he will litterally bang anything so i am assuming hes not doing anything the Qun is gonna super hate on.
edit so think of this as a salesman selling the qun dont nessasarily support it but i think it can be sold
False. Qunari under the Ariqun can very well be spies, who are able to fight. And both genders can be under the Ariqun. So Yeah, there are women who can fight in the Qun. False as well. A qunari woman can't join the Beeresaad. She can't be a soldier. A qunari man can't be a Merchant, artisan, etc. Only the qunari under the Ariqun, the priest path, can be both women and men.
Being an soldier. No. Fighting for the Qun and going into battle. Yes.
Seems like to me I've read that exceptions can be made and males can be merchants, farmers, craftsmen, etc.
False. Qunari under the Ariqun can very well be spies, who are able to fight. And both genders can be under the Ariqun. So Yeah, there are women who can fight in the Qun. False as well. A qunari woman can't join the Beeresaad. She can't be a soldier. A qunari man can't be a Merchant, artisan, etc. Only the qunari under the Ariqun, the priest path, can be both women and men.
5. (could be incorrect) i am pretty sure Iron Bull is still part of the Qun could be wrong there that said he will litterally bang anything so i am assuming hes not doing anything the Qun is gonna super hate on.
He is still part of the Qun as part of the Ben hassared (I hope I spelled it right), he just changed his personality after some of the things he has done in the past and he has lived among non Qunari people for a while.
I did say that female qunari can fight in that very post. It's still not true that the female qunari can't be only Arishok. They can't be Sten, as well as all the other soldier-related rank.Being an soldier. No. Fighting for the Qun and going into battle. Yes.
Seems like to me I've read that exceptions can be made and males can be merchants, farmers, craftsmen, etc.
Some people find solace in andrastian beliefs other dalish pantheon. The qun is a plato esque republic that work for the good of all. Not all are warriors, others are civies. They are only feared because of historical evnts and kirkwall. Aside from that they are in general neutral
Saarebas.
Some people find solace in andrastian beliefs other dalish pantheon. The qun is a plato esque republic that work for the good of all. Not all are warriors, others are civies. They are only feared because of historical evnts and kirkwall. Aside from that they are in general neutral
as long as you submit to the Qun when they demand it.
This seems supported by what we know of the Qunari although I can't find anything about men not being merchants or artisans.
They are role that fall under the Arigena, which the qunari think females are better.This seems supported by what we know of the Qunari although I can't find anything about men not being merchants or artisans.
Saarebas.
Yeah the Qunari have really high fear when it comes to magic.
i was being general saarebas are considered weapons so i didnt count themSaarebas.
the only submition ive seen was voluntary. Kirkwall was a mess and the arishok was activly convert more taking in viddatharias long as you submit to the Qun when they demand it.
See, that's not true. You could be the best manager ever, but if you happen to be born male, you're out of luck. Likewise, you could be a really talented warrior, but if you are female, get ready to spend your life keeping books.
The Turian Hiearchy is a meritocracy. The Qun is the exact opposite.
This is a common misconception about the Qun. GENERALLY, the Qunari prefer to assign roles by gender, but they will not deny a person a role, that he is clearly the best ever born for, just because he is a male (or the other way around for that matter). It simply doesn't happen very often (ever). Then there is also the fact, that there are some overlap. If you are a man with a knack for management, they could stick you in the army's logistics division. BAM! Problem solved.
I don't agree with qun because i prefer my own freedom but i can see why it is tempting to many peoples after all qunari are only society that offer equality and won't abuse you like to be honest many nobles do so add to that low corruption.Also qunari society is most technologically advanced and is very prosperous.Sure it takes your freedom but most societies do and you are treated like trash like for example in orlais.For many qunari are better alternative.
People agree with the Qun and look up toward it because they lack the mental capacity and the backbone to think for themselves, to understand the world and to self-actualize their place and role in it on their own terms.
People agree with the Qun and look up to it because they would rather be sheep than thinking individuals.
People agree with the Qun and look up toward it because they lack the mental capacity and the backbone to think for themselves, to understand the world and to self-actualize their place and role in it on their own terms.
People agree with the Qun and look up to it because they would rather be sheep than thinking individuals.
Because some people find their moral compasses dominated by concepts of loyalty and authority and wish to swear allegiance to something that uses them to their maximum degree.
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