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[DeinonSlayer]

Ex. Ac. Tly.

Arny sucked like this pipe.

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(Just came across the gif on TVTropes. Had to come up with some excuse to share it! I can't even remember how I ended up on their page about explosive decompression...)

[Han Shot First]

That Elysium is the name of the colony that Shepard saved in the War Hero origin.

 

The name of the colony is actually Illyria. Elysium's the name of the planet it is on.

[Valmar]

I think the piles of dead body stuff was added in with ME3. In ME2 it was no longer a sterility plague (even though, I think, in ME1 it was literally referred to as such).

 

I was mostly being sardonic though, since the specifics changed with every game.

 

Nah, the dead bodies came about in the second game.

https://www.youtube....fvUJmYKqyU#t=60

 

 

Arny sucked like this pipe.

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(Just came across the gif on TVTropes. Had to come up with some excuse to share it! I can't even remember how I ended up on their page about explosive decompression...)

 

That image: whoa.

 

 

That Elysium is the name of the colony that Shepard saved in the War Hero origin.

 

The name of the colony is actually Illyria. Elysium's the name of the planet it is on.

 

Huh. I didn't know that. I always through it was called Elysium. This is extra embarrassing considering I play a War Hero background. Interesting.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

Vigil was clearly indoctrinated...

 

"Indocrinated Presence Detected"

 

"No! I'm not Indocrinated!"

 

Liara: "It must've been the Beacon in Eden Prime, Commander"

*Vigil Activate Defenses* Kills everyone there.

 

Critical Mission Failure.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

i always wonder why all the population of the galatic species are so small in numbers. I mean human already have 7 billion in 2014 and i supposed at least 70 billion in 2183.

 

but u have an entire species of only 17 million (Quarians) and losing 300,000 means an near extinction of a species (Bartarians) and only a few Justicars (and Asari live for hundreds of years!!), you can't help but wonder where did all these people go. i mean i would imagine the galaxy been overpopulated with Asaris seeing how they can mate with anything and are overly sexulized in the first place (maybe a trillion asari in population).

 

then again, the Citadel only have a population of 13 million.

 

maybe as technology advance, reproduction is not longer valued (as it is happening now).

 

Humans have 7 billion on Earth. Only on Earth. There are still the Colonies, like Eden Prime, Terra Nova, and many other planets where humans estabilished a colony and/or migrated to.

 

Also, about the Batarians, Hackett said that the Batarians are an exctint buch only in ME3, when the Reapers atttacked Many(If not all) Batarian Colonies and their Homeworld.

 

Those statues on Illos had me thinking maybe Protheans were wise humans that had managed to survive on earth and we couldn't tell because the VI's were all screwy when we talked to them.

 

Turns out they were another race of imperialists with armoured foreheads.

 

Yeah, and I thought that Protheans were like that, TBH...

 

It's very likely that you're right, but it begs the question: if Saren was already on Ilos for hours, why wasn't he long gone already before the good guys ever went through the Mu relay? To me the game plays out as though Saren didn't have much of a head start, and only reached the conduit because shep was delayed trying to open that big door.

 

I always found it strange, but then again, I think Saren was moving Geth through and the Bunker and into the Relay in those Hours that Shepard was mumbo-jumboing in the Citadel. Then, as he got there, Saren sealed his forces in the Bunker and left the remaining outside to deal with Shepard and crew.

[Iakus]

Ask Shiala.

Doesn't make it better.  The Cipher was never really explained either.

 

In fact, I said waaaaaay back in ME2 that something as bizarre as the Cipher would have been a perfect reason for TIM to sink billions of credits into resurrecting Shepard.  To further explore this feature, not this "You're a symbol" nonsense.

[dreamgazer]

Doesn't make it better.  The Cipher was never really explained either.

The "essence of a species" was (at least partially) explained and established, though, in the very first game of the series.

Whether it makes it better or not isn't really consequential.

[Iakus]

The "essence of a species" was (at least partially) explained and established, though, in the very first game of the series.

Whether it makes it better or not isn't really consequential.

It's consequential when the protaginst is asked to die for it while inflicting its nonsense on the rest of the galaxy.

[dreamgazer]

It's consequential when the protaginst is asked to die for it while inflicting its nonsense on the rest of the galaxy.

Not really. Shepard's mortality was always in question involving the beacon and the cipher, since it was some kind of miracle that s/he survived those. In this case, tapping into that Jungian essence (again) wasn't as forgiving. But again, that's not consequential to your concern: "essence of a species" has always been an established fixture in the MEU, through the evidence I provided.

If it doesn't appeal to you, don't choose it. I don't, but I also don't fool myself into thinking that every situation has an escape hatch.

[Iakus]

Not really. Shepard's mortality was always in question involving the beacon and the cipher, since it was some kind of miracle that s/he survived those. In this case, tapping into that Jungian essence (again) wasn't as forgiving. But again, that's not consequential to your concern: "essence of a species" has always been an established fixture in the MEU, through the evidence I provided.

If it doesn't appeal to you, don't choose it. I don't, but I also don't fool myself into thinking that every situation has an escape hatch.

If it's established as the "optimal solution" it has to be explained why it's the optimal solution.

 

"This thing we've been handwaving for three games" doesn't cut it.

[dreamgazer]

If it's established as the "optimal solution" it has to be explained why it's the optimal solution.
 
"This thing we've been handwaving for three games" doesn't cut it.

The Catalyst explained why it believes it's the optimal solution, but that's a separate conversation.

"Essence of a species" is a tangential narrative device that goes back to the first game and its science-fiction softness.

[SporkFu]

I always found it strange, but then again, I think Saren was moving Geth through and the Bunker and into the Relay in those Hours that Shepard was mumbo-jumboing in the Citadel. Then, as he got there, Saren sealed his forces in the Bunker and left the remaining outside to deal with Shepard and crew.

Yeah, that's what I figured too. No question that Saren and the geth were busy moving troops and equipment, but it's never clear how much of a head start he has on shep. All we know for sure is he closed that giant door just ahead of shep's arrival on Ilos. 

[Han Shot First]

 

Huh. I didn't know that. I always through it was called Elysium. This is extra embarrassing considering I play a War Hero background. Interesting.

 

In game whenever they talk about War Hero Shep's origin story they just say 'Elysium,' so it gives the impression that was the name of the colony as well. But if you look at the planet description for Elysium in ME3, it says the planet's capital is Illyria. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Shepard: I deny them my essence.

[cap and gown]

Shepard: I deny them my essence.

 

Eww.   Horrible visions of a specie's "essence" come to mind. (Genesis 38:9)

[Iakus]

sH0tgUn jUliA, on 05 Nov 2014 - 2:21 PM, said:
Shepard: I deny them my essence.

 

Mass Effect: Old World Blues

 

Shepard: "I command you to open your port and receive my seed!"

[dreamgazer]

Implications unpleasant about the Shiala mind-meld.

[Han Shot First]

I never had this misunderstanding, but it seems to be a fairly common one...

 

That Liara isn't an adult. That has to be one of the most misheard lines of dialogue in the series.

[Linkenski]

I always assumed that because Space travel was so efficient and Humans lived in colonies and on the Citadel that in the grand scheme of things Earth didn't really matter anymore, which is also my main source of hate towards ME3's premise back when it came out. "Earth is important, we have to save Earth", "I'm so sorry about Earth, Shepard", "I'm just thinking about everyone back on Earth..." -- all this annoying focus on Earth made me fume. Why was Earth so god darn important!? We'd never even seen it in the other games!

[MegaIllusiveMan]

I always assumed that because Space travel was so efficient and Humans lived in colonies and on the Citadel that in the grand scheme of things Earth didn't really matter anymore, which is also my main source of hate towards ME3's premise back when it came out. "Earth is important, we have to save Earth", "I'm so sorry about Earth, Shepard", "I'm just thinking about everyone back on Earth..." -- all this annoying focus on Earth made me fume. Why was Earth so god darn important!? We'd never even seen it in the other games!

 

It does make sense with an Earthborn Shep. All of it.

[SporkFu]

The 'Earth doesn't matter' thing always kinda bugged me. Not gonna try and change anyone's mind here, but according to the ME wiki, at the time of the reaper invasion it's only been 38 years since the discovery of the prothean ruins on Mars. Never mind Dr. Bryson, that's within my lifetime.

[Valmar]

I feel that saving earth get's too much attention but only because I feel the most important thing is finishing the crucible. The sooner it is finished the sooner we can save earth, any time wasted trying to win an unbeatable war with the reapers just puts more lives in danger.

 

That being said as far as humanity is concerned Earth is IMMENSELY important and it most certainly DOES matter.

 

To put things into context earth has over 11 billion inhabitants. The biggest alliance colony is Terra Nova with only hold little over 4 million. So yes, Earth is gravely important from a human perspective.

[Oni Changas]

Wouldn't that completely screw up his Indoctrination sensors?

 

Btw... Bad, bad Spork. ME1 is flawless, all problems, plotholes and nonsense starts in ME3. Don't you know? How long have you been here?

 

/sarcasm.

So Vigil loses power keeping Saren stuck, then dies out as Shepard and Saren are beating the snot out of one another. Shepard defeats Saren, Vigil loses power. Shep loses out on very important data, Sovereign gets to the citadel and opens the gates, as there is no keeper signal blocker in place. Galaxy gets bodied quicker than the Protheans.

 

For my two cents: TIM getting indoctrinated...

[Oni Changas]

I just finished a debate with two gents about one of these misunderstandings in another thread: How the Salarians get on board your ship if you save the Virmire Survivor at the bomb site. If they're present in the AA tower, how do they show up in the cargo bay?

I'm going with the theory that Kirahee's team escaped by deploying their prototype jetpacks. Codename: P.L.O.T.A.R.M.U.R.
Pilot Launched Operative Tactical Aerial Recon Mobility Uniform Reinforcement.

I'm planning on their heavy implementation for Operation Fire Cobra Claw.

They split with VSacrifice, who leads a smaller team to their death site. I thought that was obvious, given the fact that each team had a codename...

[SporkFu]

So Vigil loses power keeping Saren stuck, then dies out as Shepard and Saren are beating the snot out of one another. Shepard defeats Saren, Vigil loses power. Shep loses out on very important data, Sovereign gets to the citadel and opens the gates, as there is no keeper signal blocker in place. Galaxy gets bodied quicker than the Protheans.

For my two cents: TIM getting indoctrinated...

The keeper signal was disrupted thousands of years before by the surviving Ilos protheans.