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[von uber]

The keeper signal was disrupted thousands of years before by the surviving Ilos protheans.

 

Doesn't matter anyway, the Reapers can just FTL to the galaxy.

[cap and gown]

Doesn't matter anyway, the Reapers can just FTL to the galaxy.

 

Yeah, this was a misunderstanding I had about ME1: that stopping Sovereign actually mattered.

[von uber]

Yeah, this was a misunderstanding I had about ME1: that stopping Sovereign actually mattered.

 

Agreed.

[dreamgazer]

Yeah, this was a misunderstanding I had about ME1: that stopping Sovereign actually mattered.

It potentially could have, had the galaxy not wasted those several years of awareness on the "Ah yes, Reapers" agenda. Alas, ME2.

[SporkFu]

Doesn't matter anyway, the Reapers can just FTL to the galaxy.

Yeah, this was a misunderstanding I had about ME1: that stopping Sovereign actually mattered.

True...but would have been a bit anticlimactic if, after millions of years of these cycles of civilizations being wiped out by the reapers, all we had to do to stop the whole thing was lock the back door. 

[themikefest]

Yeah, this was a misunderstanding I had about ME1: that stopping Sovereign actually mattered.

Doesn't matter. ME3 is the place to start playing a trilogy. The previous 2 don't matter.

 

If another trilogy is going to be developed, ignore the first two games and purchase the third one making everything ok.

[im commander shep]

What exactly were the Reapers doing with the citadel next to earth?

[Vazgen]

Citadel is used for creating Reapers of the harvested species. When they learn about humanity's plan to use the Crucible they decide to move the Citadel around with them instead of moving humans there for harvest manually. Earth is just the first, after that they would've moved it to Thessia, Palaven etc. 

[im commander shep]

Fair enough, if that's the case why did they not assault the citadel sooner an take control of it?

[Vazgen]

Fair enough, if that's the case why did they not assault the citadel sooner an take control of it?

Citadel can close its arms and withstand assault for quite a long time. TIM slipped on the Citadel and opened the arms allowing Reapers to take control of it.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Citadel can close its arms and withstand assault for quite a long time. TIM slipped on the Citadel and opened the arms allowing Reapers to take control of it.

 

If that was the case why didn't the Reapers sneak in another Indoctrinated mook much earlier?

[Vazgen]

If that was the case why didn't the Reapers sneak in another Indoctrinated mook much earlier?

The indoctrinated agent must retain some independence to be capable of operating the Citadel (like Saren). Reapers have few such agents, TIM was the only one with resources and paths to get there

[SporkFu]

It also wasn't necessary to do so, until TIM told the reapers the good guys know the Citadel is the Catalyst.

[ImaginaryMatter]

The indoctrinated agent must retain some independence to be capable of operating the Citadel (like Saren). Reapers have few such agents, TIM was the only one with resources and paths to get there

 

Where does it say any of that? That sounds super flimsy.

[Barquiel]

The citadel thing doesn't really make much sense, imo. I mean...I have a hard time accepting that TIM teleports to the citadel, prevents C-Sec from being C-Sec and storms the control center to open the arms.

[SporkFu]

Maybe he only fled from Cronos Station to Earth, and then took the express elevator to the citadel control room, like shep and Anderson.
EDIT: Uhh, never mind. That makes no sense. I haven't had coffee yet this morning.

[Vazgen]

Where does it say any of that? That sounds super flimsy.

"But as Saren Arterius discovered during his research into indoctrination at the facility, there is a balance between control and usefulness. The more control Sovereign has over a person, the less capable they become."

Wiki page on indoctrination

 

 

The citadel thing doesn't really make much sense, imo. I mean...I have a hard time accepting that TIM teleports to the citadel, prevents C-Sec from being C-Sec and storms the control center to open the arms.

Who says he teleports there? He probably left quite some time before you assault Cronos. Control center does not necessarily need to be in the Citadel tower as we see in the ending. There is a backup switch. And there might be quite a few back alleys leading there, like keeper tunnels that Cerberus is aware of and likely has mapped (Citadel coup)

[Valmar]

I have a hard time accepting that TIM teleports to the citadel, prevents C-Sec from being C-Sec and storms the control center to open the arms.

 

The coup must had been pretty jarring for you then, all things considered.

 

Given all that Cerberus has managed to do in terms of shaming Citadel security I don't find this particularly surprising, honestly. 

 

 

Who says he teleports there? He probably left quite some time before you assault Cronos. Control center does not necessarily need to be in the Citadel tower as we see in the ending. There is a backup switch. And there might be quite a few back alleys leading there, like keeper tunnels that Cerberus is aware of and likely has mapped (Citadel coup)

 

I forgot about those.

[ImaginaryMatter]

"But as Saren Arterius discovered during his research into indoctrination at the facility, there is a balance between control and usefulness. The more control Sovereign has over a person, the less capable they become."

Wiki page on indoctrination

 

Okay. How does this 'capability' affect operating the Citadel? Opening and closing the wards doesn't seem to require much in the way of anything resembling capability. Why do the Reapers only have a few of these agents? According to the Codex, slow Indoctrination only affects the length of time in which the victim is stable. What resources exclusive to Cerberus did TIM have to utilize to control the Citadel? Couldn't the Reapers get any of their mooks into the Keeper tunnels if the told said mook about them? Why didn't the Reapers get TIM to do this sooner?

[Vazgen]

Okay. How does this 'capability' affect operating the Citadel? Opening and closing the wards doesn't seem to require much in the way of anything resembling capability. Why do the Reapers only have a few of these agents? According to the Codex, slow Indoctrination only affects the length of time in which the victim is stable. What resources exclusive to Cerberus did TIM have to utilize to control the Citadel? Couldn't the Reapers get any of their mooks into the Keeper tunnels if the told said mook about them? Why didn't the Reapers get TIM to do this sooner?

1. A regular indoctrinated mook can't operate the arms and lock the access from the Citadel tower. Otherwise the Council would just close the arms back.

2. They rely more on their sheer might. There are some agents here and there, like Rana Thanoptis but they don't bother much. Arrogance, which led to their demise.

3-4. The mooks had to get to the Citadel and as already established they would not be able to (see point 1). Also, TIM knew about the keeper tunnels, Reapers did not know about them prior to TIM implanting himself with Reaper tech. The layout was likely changed because of the damage Sovereign attack did. Cerberus already have enough agents on the Citadel, even after the failed coup attempt. TIM is a much more natural choice.

5. They manipulated his desire to control the Reapers and it is not possible to do without the Crucible which is completed only after the assault on Cronos (final component - Reaper Heart/Brain).

[Arcian]

Has any of you guys had any misunderstandings in the whole trilogy, aside from you having thought Asari needed other species to reproduce?

And people give Shepard so much **** over this.

[Barquiel]

The coup must had been pretty jarring for you then, all things considered.
 
Given all that Cerberus has managed to do in terms of shaming Citadel security I don't find this particularly surprising, honestly.

The coup was ok because Udina helped cerberus.

Who says he teleports there? He probably left quite some time before you assault Cronos. Control center does not necessarily need to be in the Citadel tower as we see in the ending. There is a backup switch. And there might be quite a few back alleys leading there, like keeper tunnels that Cerberus is aware of and likely has mapped (Citadel coup)

Then what was the point of ME1? Why does Saren do all this extra work to find the Conduit so he can attack the tower?

[Vazgen]

The coup was ok because Udina helped cerberus.


Then what was the point of ME1? Why does Saren do all this extra work to find the Conduit so he can attack the tower?

Because Saren is a well-known Spectre on the run. He can't just go past the security. TIM, on the other hand, can, due to a number of agents still left on the Citadel and, ironically, his anonymity (as far as I know, only Shepard ever saw his face). You have to get to the Citadel to access keeper tunnels.

[SporkFu]

Because Saren is a well-known Spectre on the run. He can't just go past the security. TIM, on the other hand, can, due to a number of agents still left on the Citadel and, ironically, his anonymity (as far as I know, only Shepard ever saw his face). You have to get to the Citadel to access keeper tunnels.

Well... In the opening scene of ME2, TIM and Miranda are in the same room together, and Jacob talked to him over the QEC after Jacob's loyalty mission. In ME3, Liara and Ash/Kaidan saw holo-TIM on Mars, and Liara + squaddie #2 saw holo-TIM on Thessia. EDI and squaddie #2 saw holo-TIM on Cronos Station (though presumably he was already on the citadel by then, or enroute). 

[Vazgen]

Well... In the opening scene of ME2, TIM and Miranda are in the same room together, and Jacob talked to him over the QEC after Jacob's loyalty mission. In ME3, Liara and Ash/Kaidan saw holo-TIM on Mars, and Liara + squaddie #2 saw holo-TIM on Thessia. EDI and squaddie #2 saw holo-TIM on Cronos Station (though presumably he was already on the citadel by then, or enroute). 

OK, Shepard and his squadmates (forgot all those encounters, duh) I doubt C-Sec has anything more than photorobot though