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[ShadowLordXII]

In a hypothetical world where Alistair and Anora weren't available to take the throne, who would be the Landsmeet's best alternative choice as ruler?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

How would we know? Due to their presence, the game doesn't explore this.

[mousestalker]

The city elf warden, obv.

[Kenshen]

This one is easy it would be me everyday of the week and twice on Sundays!  Seriously though there is no way to really answer this since we barely get to meet any of the nobles at the Landsmeet.  Of those we do know probably Eamon but I would be with Hawke on the first boat to the free marches after casting my vote.

[X Equestris]

Eamon and Teagan would probably have the closest claim, since they were Queen Rowan's brothers.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Eamon and Teagan would probably have the closest claim, since they were Queen Rowan's brothers.

That's strictly by marriage. Which could be a workable claim, but anyone with blood relation to the latest two kings would blow it out of the water. And I find it difficult to believe that there was nobody in Ferelden related to them. The Couslands would have been closely related to the Theirins, as a way of keeping them in line, and while there are none to choose from until after the game there's no way that their relatives are all dead. Howe and his children would probably have been related to them, for instance, and while Howe's a complete monster his kids aren't. (Of course, this is all speculation, and attempting to guess how the system would have been set up to favor the royal line and the high nobles.)

[X Equestris]

That's strictly by marriage. Which could be a workable claim, but anyone with blood relation to the latest two kings would blow it out of the water. (And I find it difficult to believe that there was nobody in Ferelden related to them. The Couslands would have been closely related to the Theirins, as a way of keeping them in line, and while there are none to choose from until after the game there's no way that their relatives are all dead. Howe and his children would probably have been related to them, for instance, and while Howe's a complete monster his kids aren't. (Of course, this is all speculation, and attempting to guess how the system would have been set up to favor the royal line and the high nobles.)

I believe that it is mentioned that much of the upper nobility of Ferelden are related to Calenhad's line in some fashion or another. The real question here is how close those relations are. I was also working off the assumption that we were using the Landsmeet in DAO as a jumping off point. At that point, the Couslands appear to be extinct unless you are one.

Under more normal circumstances, I think a living Cousland would make the best challenge for the throne if Alistair and Anora were out.

[sylvanaerie]

In that case then, Fergus.  Since he survives regardless of what origin you choose to be from.  He's also young and healthy enough to produce a few heirs, so in lieu of someone else, he's the best candidate.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

In that case then, Fergus.  Since he survives regardless of what origin you choose to be from.  He's also young and healthy enough to produce a few heirs, so in lieu of someone else, he's the best candidate.

He would be, except that he isn't known to still be alive by the time you pick a new ruler.

[TheMadHarridan]

Honestly, the Cousland Warden if you're playing one at that point (I'd say any Warden, but we all know that wouldn't fly). By the time I get to the Landsmeet (and usually long before that), I'm convinced that my Cousland is the only person with a fully functional brain in all of Fereldan. Everyone else is either a backstabber, weak-willed, untrustworthy, manipulative, or just plain not right for the job.

 

Otherwise, Fergus Cousland. The Couslands were always a popular choice for the throne anyway, and Fergus is an intelligent, compassionate, trustworthy guy who would do everything in his power to lead Fereldan into a new age of greatness. I could also see him being progressive in his thinking and improving the situation of the Elves and creating stronger relationships with the Dwarves.

 

I would never put Arl Eamon on the throne. I don't trust him, and I think Fereldan would slide backward instead of move forward. I would support Teagan, but I don't think he could get enough support from the other nobles.

[Icy Magebane]

Well, if Anora died in Howe's custody and Alistair died along the way to Denerim... I'd say Loghain, but he's a commoner.  There is no way that the nobility would allow that, so... um... I don't know.  Tbh I've never seen Fergus Cousland outside of the HN storyline.  Are we sure that he survives?  I'm not going with him because he's clearly too irresponsible to be King.  He didn't even show up for the Landsmeet and made no attempt to reclaim his family's lands, assuming these rumors are even true...

 

I'm going to throw my lot in with Bann Alfstanna Eremon of Waking Sea.  She seems like an honorable sort, and she even helps you in combat if you happen to lose the Landsmeet.  Hopefully Eamon wouldn't interfere, but if the choice is between Eamon and Loghain, I'd have to go with Eamon...

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Well, if Anora died in Howe's custody and Alistair died along the way to Denerim... I'd say Loghain, but he's a commoner.  There is no way that the nobility would allow that, so... um... I don't know.  Tbh I've never seen Fergus Cousland outside of the HN storyline.  Are we sure that he survives?  I'm not going with him because he's clearly too irresponsible to be King.  He didn't even show up for the Landsmeet and made no attempt to reclaim his family's lands, assuming these rumors are even true...

 

I'm going to throw my lot in with Bann Alfstanna Eremon of Waking Sea.  She seems like an honorable sort, and she even helps you in combat if you happen to lose the Landsmeet.  Hopefully Eamon wouldn't interfere, but if the choice is between Eamon and Loghain, I'd have to go with Eamon...

I believe that Nathaniel's epilogue slide can include Fergus Cousland whether or not the Warden is an HN.* And he is apparently capable of giving Nathaniel a small portion of Amaranthine, from which it follows that he has reclaimed his family's lands. As for the Landsmeet, we have no reason to believe that that was any irresponsibility on Fergus's part. He claims he literally could not make it, which isn't entirely unbelievable in the absence of modern transportation. Of course, it could be irresponsibility on his part: we know basically nothing about him except that he loves his family and is technically the Teryn of Highever. Anything else about him is guesswork.

 

As for Loghain, he's not a commoner. He was born a commoner. He is now a Teryn. That's a blow against him to be sure, but I don't know that Anora was born after he was ennobled, and even if she was she's still the daughter of a former commoner. Anora is nonetheless the default choice for queen, with Alfstanna even questioning why Eamon is challenging her claim. So we know that if someone who's more common than they ought to be can make a good enough case, they can get the throne. (I will note, however, that Loghain taking the throne in both style and substance is pretty much the Godzilla Threshold for the Warden.)

 

* I looked it up, and there's no mention of Fergus only being mentioned in Awakening's epilogue if the Warden was an HN. Furthermore he can be mentioned in the Codex of Witch Hunt only if the Warden did not have a mabari in Origins. (Therefore with any origin except the HN.)

[Icy Magebane]

I believe that Nathaniel's epilogue slide can include Fergus Cousland whether or not the Warden is an HN.* And he is apparently capable of giving Nathaniel a small portion of Amaranthine, from which it follows that he has reclaimed his family's lands. As for the Landsmeet, we have no reason to believe that that was any irresponsibility on Fergus's part. He claims he literally could not make it, which isn't entirely unbelievable in the absence of modern transportation. Of course, it could be irresponsibility on his part: we know basically nothing about him except that he loves his family and is technically the Teryn of Highever. Anything else about him is guesswork.

 

As for Loghain, he's not a commoner. He was born a commoner. He is now a Teryn. That's a blow against him to be sure, but I don't know that Anora was born after he was ennobled, and even if she was she's still the daughter of a commoner. Anora is nonetheless the default choice for queen, with Alfstanna even questioning why Eamon is challenging her claim. So we know that if someone who's more common than they ought to be can make a good enough case, they can get the throne. (I will note, however, that Loghain taking the throne in both style and substance is pretty much the Godzilla Threshold for the Warden.)

 

* I looked it up, and there's no mention of Fergus only being mentioned in Awakening's epilogue if the Warden was an HN. Furthermore he can be mentioned in the Codex of Witch Hunt only if the Warden did not have a mabari in Origins. (Therefore with any origin except the HN.)

Interesting... thanks for looking that up.  Well, I guess if Fergus actually manages to get to the Landsmeet on time, he'd be the best candidate in this situation.  That's fine by me.  The only Wardens I've played as who actually cared what happened to Ferelden were Couslands themselves, so I'm not really committed to anyone in particular.

 

As for my comments about Loghain's social status, I was mainly basing it on Ser Bryant's response if he is questioned about Loghain's heroic status.  He seemed pretty repulsed by the idea of someone with common blood being regent, but Anora was also born a commoner so maybe it doesn't really matter...  I'd still side with almost anyone except Loghain...

[Dabrikishaw]

The Human Noble Warden.

 

Fergus is thought to be dead by the time the Landsmeet comes up.

 

Eamon, Teagan and Loghain have no claim without Alistair or Anora.

 

Bryce turned down the kingship when offered and everyone respects the Couslands.

[gottaloveme]

All I can say is that thank the maker Wynne is a mage and can't take up that particular position   HN warden first, Fergus second (although yes he is not known to be alive at that point) which unfortunately leaves Eamon as the logical choice then and there, although I would prefer Teagan.

 

I guess the dog is out but perhaps Sten would like the opportunity?

[WarriorOfLight999]

I can rattle off a few names and my reasons:

 

Human Noble: Well, any character controlled by the player is capable of anything! So...yeah! Always interesting to have a ruler who can 'meta game'

 

Fergus Cousland: The Couslands probably have the best claim next to the Theirins, and Fergus was already raised to be the heir to Highever. Why not?

 

Loghain: As long as he's not selling elves, sheltering traitors or hunting down Wardens, Loghain would at least make a decent King in peacetime. Not the best at politics, though.

 

Arl Wulffe: Out of all the rest of the nobles, I respect him the most. He recognizes the threat of the Blight for what it truly is, and doesn't care at all for the squabbling of the Landsmeet.