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[Ryriena]

Hawke was educated by a mage father (who was educated by the Circle before he left it) and a noblewoman mother. There's arguments against this plan, but I don't think this one works.

I'll agree that her argument really does not sit well with me either, as you said, she was educated by a mage father and a Noblewoman she was someone who had access to better education than most poor folks had gotten at that time. However, depending on the outcomes of travel time and things that might have happened is a better argument, even thought I think it still could be done.

[Dutchess]

I doubt nobles are taught much about magic. That stuff really seems restricted to Circles. I don't think nobility is all that interested in learning how to "cure" abominations.

[Ryriena]

I doubt nobles are taught much about magic. That stuff really seems restricted to Circles. I don't think nobility is all that interested in learning how to "cure" abominations.

I am talking about the historical aspect of it like how you would learn about diffrent countries ect. She was describing that they wouldn't know about the Anliument on Riverin, when as Nobles they would get better education and taught different things like treaties that were broken or the circles that had been Annulled. She would probaly have taught her children about history or the chant of light ect.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I am talking about the historical aspect of it like how you would learn about diffrent countries ect. She was describing that they wouldn't know about the Anliument on Riverin, when as Nobles they would get better education and taught different things like treaties that were broken or the circles that had been Annulled. She would probaly have taught her children about history or the chant of light ect.

The Annulment of the Rivaini Circle hasn't happened yet, though. So Hawke wouldn't be factoring it into his/her own decisions. But it would have happened by the time of Inquisition, which might make it relevant in any decisions on Anders that the Inquisitor might make. (Which is part of why I brought it up. The rest of it is that to some degree you would have to be arguing metagame on the possibility that Anders might go there given that Hawke to the best of my knowledge not having the option to bring it up, which the Annulment and the fact that Anders apparently led to it happening is relevant to.)

[Ryriena]

I think some of the years on the wiki seems off by a lot to me, at least, becuase a few, of the events in Rivaini and their chapter of the cricle being annulled sometime before dragon:40. I doubt it took the Chantry that long to find out that the chapter was using different methods for the Mages under their charge. I do remember a codex entry in DA2 saying it happened a few years before Anders did his thing. Although I could be remembering the entry wrong.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I think some of the years on the wiki seems off by a lot to me, at least, becuase a few, of the events in Rivaini and their chapter of the cricle being annulled sometime before dragon:40. I doubt it took the Chantry that long to find out that the chapter was using different methods for the Mages under their charge. I do remember a codex entry in DA2 saying it happened a few years before Anders did his thing. Although I could be remembering the entry wrong.

Well, if that's true, it might be to Anders' advantage if he wants treatment from the Rivaini mages. The dead ones would be just as dead, but the living ones wouldn't be able to blame him personally. (Though this still strikes me as just too much of a gamble, partially because to the best of my knowledge we're not told or given any reason to suspect he's trying this.)

[Ryriena]

As I suppected, apparently, the order events got changed due to a error in the Calling, according to Gadier. So it's more than likely that the Anullment had happened before the events in DA2 and it got retacon to happen after the events in da2.


I do agree that it's a leep that is something that Anders would, in fact, do something like this at the end of game, but mine idea was just a suggestion for the fan fiction writers or head cannons for what happened afterwards type of deal. I don't think that these events would happen in the storyline unless the writers put them in the story.

[DarkTl]

I have to say, DA2 lacks good cinematics, terribly. That scene when Anders detonates his magic device was the only decent one. I was too thankful for that to kill him.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Oh, right. This thread exists.

 

Since this thread lives again, I would like to point out

Spoiler

that the further atrocities I was picturing Anders committing apparently did not happen, from my understanding of the events of Inquisition. That said, I still believe that I was given ample reason to think they would, and if Anders was romanced Varric does note (with reason) that if nobody has managed to geek the mage while Hawke's back was turned then nothing has happened to make them impossible.

[Lintton]

I killed him as Hawke, even as she supported mages in the beginning; she was never a fan of the possession by Justice. Anders was fighting alosing battle, and Justice the "road to hell" for him.
I made Anders' solution the tipping point for Hawke...for supporting the templars. This was one abomination too far, and the carnage that would erupt in Kirkwall, to everything she had left, was no longer worth a blind eye and a sheathed sword.

Made the clearly conflicted snark!hawke speech near the end fitting.

Luckily I got Bethany and Hawke to reconcile and off Orsino. Nothing like revenge to bring siblings together.

[Machina Obscura]

I have trouble determining whether Anders deserves 1,000 fiery deaths, or merely 999 fiery deaths. He may live while I decided.

[Big Magnet]

I killed him.

 

Well I don't know about how others would react but if my best friend blew up a building full of innocents who were just minding their own business and then stood before me, I would take my gun and blow his head off

[Captain Wiseass]

Killing him was in character for my Hawke, but my Hawke was not a very nice person.

[Natureguy85]

I say yes. There is no real remorse or redemption for Anders. If anything he is sorry he had to go so far, but he believes in what he did.

[uzivatel]

I thought he deserved a public trial, that would make clear there was no connection with other mages ... and then be justly hanged. Having him publically executed could have made the crowd happy, whereas stabbing him in some dark street wont.

 

Sebastian could have manned up and killed him himself, but noo, he just whines and then invades Kirkwall ... what an ass.

[NeitherNor]

The only time I played Dragon Age II I had my Hawke tell Anders to 'just go', and felt that was one of the better moments of the game. Hawke is completely done with Anders' nonsense and doesn't want to be associated with him anymore. Just go.

 

As for whether or not it makes sense to kill Anders, I don't think there's much reason not to. After all, by that point Hawke has already left a trail of bodies in his or her wake, and I dislike the tendency to present these choices as though Hawke was somehow not a habitual murderer.

 

Sebastian could have manned up and killed him himself

 

That would have been nice, especially if throughout the game your choices would have some indirect influence over his decision to do so - or not.

[Vicious]

Depends. Friendship anders absolutely, he's a murderer and cost the lives of many people and made already unstable [but fixable] situation explode. He is also stoic about it and says it had to happen. Sins may be forgiven but crimes require punishment, and killing him is merciful considering he's an abomination and will be killed or worse made tranquil at some point. 

 

Rival anders, well it's clear he isn't in control of his faculties. You can actually convince him to try and talk out things but Justice takes over and refuses, and when Alistair returns he has absolutely no idea what happened. He also says fearfully of losing hours or days at a time. 

 

I have a much tougher time killing rival anders. He was an angry guy but was also nice and not unreasonable. Justice made him completely nuts and the whole situation was pretty unfair. Worse part is he implies that he will commit suicide afterwards in the hopes of his friend Justice being freed and uncorrupted by Anders' mortal mind.

 

 

it's pretty messed up. When you meet him he just went around healing people and taking care of refugees. That was the real Anders, and that guy did not deserve to be executed. A tragic fate to be sure.

[DEUGH Man]

I'm not a big believer in an eye for an eye, but I figured killing him would satisfy a lot of people, and keeping him alive after that would cause too many possible problems. Regardless of his intentions, he would always be known as the guy who killed priests and created the justification for the annulment. There would be a lot of people trying to kill him, and there would be a bunch of people that wanted him free. Just save everyone the drama.

[Natureguy85]

Again, your assuming he is too far gone that is not how English common laws should work for a person, in fact, your judging him on things that can be entirely avoided. It's because of this that you can not fully judge him because at this moment you are in fact clouded by retribution

 

Ha! Anders isn't in court. Hawke isn't trying to put him through the legal system. The point of the question is that his fate is fully in Hawke's hands.

[TheViper8234]

whats that question ? of course he did,I wanted to stab him x999999 times or more.He's not the humurous guy from Awakening he became a selfish douche

[aoibhealfae]

In my last playthrough, my Hawke romanced Fenris and he rejected her... and then Anders swoop in and stole Hawke and Fenris hated him just for that. And then he used Hawke to kill a lot of people.... the love of her life betrayed her.... so she killed him. BRUTAL!

[StarcloudSWG]

Anders planned all of it, with the expectation that he would die for his crimes and thus give Justice its freedom.

 

Further, even if every templar in the Chantry and all the clerics, were personally each and every one of them guilty of torture and murder, the explosion of the Chantry wasn't restricted to the Chantry. You can see quite clearly massive stone blocks raining out all over the city, crashing into houses and setting things on fire. The probability is very high that completely uninvolved people were killed because of Ander's actions.

 

Anders living is one form of very cruel justice. But at that point, the question isn't "should Anders live" the question is "Should we remove a known threat that is likely to turn into a Rage Abomination?"

 

We know from DAI that Wisdom turns to Pride, that Purpose turns to Desire. The most likely change for Justice is to turn to Rage.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Funny how depending on your actions, Anders' actions can in fact result in mage freedom.

[Regan_Cousland]

I thought he deserved to die ... but I didn't kill him.

It wasn't Hawke's responsibility; it was Meredith's. She had no right to ask Hawke to kill a former friend. She was the Knight-Commander, and she shirked her duties.

And I wasn't about to let Sebastian blackmail me into killing Anders, either.  I understood his anguish, but he went too far when he threatened to raze Kirkwall to the ground (probably killing hundreds more innocent people in the process). What the heck, choir boy!

If there'd been the option, I would have knocked Sebastian out and had Aveline arrest him for daring to threaten my city.

Having said all that, if Meredith or Sebastian had had the guts to kill Anders themselves, I wouldn't have interfered. I would have let them have their justice. But they didn't. They were spineless. So screw them both. 

I proceeded to save the mages (and my sister Bethany), and then I told Anders to get lost before the final battle.