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[themikefest]

He is the mvp because nightmare is a joke with him in the party. He is the only mage who has cooldown reduction in the game, which means he can heal more in any given time and PERMANENTLY haste the party (refresh it before it ends), that's 450% permanent damage increase for the party. Why go through all that toughness when you can easily relax. The fact that not bringing Anders with you makes the game more challenging speaks volumes about why he is the most valuable.

Doesn't mean crap to me. You posted that people claiming that Anders is not valuable have never played nightmare mode. I proved you wrong. I played it on nightmare without having Anders.

[Lulupab]

Doesn't mean crap to me. You posted that people claiming that Anders is not valuable have never played nightmare mode. I proved you wrong. I played it on nightmare without having Anders.

But you haven't played nightmare with him on the team. After you do that you'll see what I mean.

[themikefest]

But you haven't played nightmare with him on the team. After you do that you'll see what I mean.

And I won't. I have no use for the character and the times I bring him on quests, I find him very annoying.  Fortunately I can ignore him till the end when I stck the knife in his back.

[Lulupab]

And I won't. I have no use for the character and the times I bring him on quests, I find him very annoying.  Fortunately I can ignore him till the end when I stck the knife in his back.

That's fine, and to be honest I don't like one companion being so much more powerful than the others, but Anders is like that especially if Hawke is not a mage.

[Althix]

if Hawke is not a mage there is also no need in Anders. because warrior Hawke has better cc and damage output. Don't know about rogue Hawke though.

 

and there is no companion that much more powerful than the others, all of them are gimps.

 

mvp - is Hawke.

[Lulupab]

if Hawke is not a mage there is also no need in Anders. because warrior Hawke has better cc and damage output. Don't know about rogue Hawke though.

and there is no companion that much more powerful than the others, all of them are gimps.

mvp - is Hawke.

First of all, all mages have higher damage output than warriors, that's simply a gameplay factor.

Single target damage: Rogues > Mages > warriors
AOE damage: Mages > Warriors > Rogues
Toughness: Warriors > Rogues > Mages

There is no room for argument here, this is just how the game works. Mages can bring support to the table. Merril can't really do it because she is offensive mage. Its up to mage Hawke or Anders to do it and if Hawke is not a mage then Anders is the only one and he is quite good at it. As I said apart from healings he can increse the party's damage output for 450% permanently.

Vengeance built Anders has highest possible mage damage output in the game if you get him the right talents and stats but he is very squishy in that form, dealings more damage at expense of defense. People tend to ignore their companions for the most time and focus on their protagonist, which is understandable but claiming that's fact is bogus. Aveline will always be better tank than Hawke, Varric will be a better Archer and Anders will deal more damage. if you notice none of Mage Hawke's extra spec have any real damage ability. Hawke will still have better utility and crowd control but Anders has cooldown reduction which is game breaking in terms of damage.

Also Aveline is better than fenris, Varric is better than Sebastian, Anders is better than Merril. So yes some companions can be better than others.

[Althix]

not if you can nuke the room in 6-7 seconds.

 

you see, Hawke warrior is not a tank, he is a nuker with twohanded weapon.

 

but anyway: you see, on a page 3 or 4 you said that from a perspective of Hawke or Warden we can't judge Anders because, pcs and party members are murderers.

"we are all killers, Alistair" as Warden mentioned, however there is a difference between murderer and a killer. And i don't remember Hawke or Warden to be a murderers. Unless you murder knife through the game, which is optional.

Anders, however, will always be a murderer and bomber, liar and possessed abomination.

 

Also: i find it stupid, to use game difficulty(game mechanic) as an argument for a dispute which concerns lore of the game.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Also: i find it stupid, to use game difficulty(game mechanic) as an argument for a dispute which concerns lore of the game.

Well, he can do the same things in the lore that Xilizhra argues make him useful in-game. You could argue that it doesn't answer OP's question (whether Anders deserves to die) but then my weighing in on this issue didn't either.

[Lulupab]

I think this thread is at its end to be honest. People are entitled to their opinion but factually Anders does't "deserve" to die any more than Loghain or other grey characters. Its justified to kill him if you don't want to risk it but there is good in Anders too. And I do think what he did changed himself too, if you spare him and ask him to help you protect the mages it makes him realize that he does have worthy cause but he did something extreme. He controls himself better after the chantry incident and he doesn't glow till the end of the game (glowing means Justice has taken over)

[Xilizhra]

Well, he can do the same things in the lore that Xilizhra argues make him useful in-game. You could argue that it doesn't answer OP's question (whether Anders deserves to die) but then my weighing in on this issue didn't either.

Precisely. I think he's an even better healer in lore than he is mechanically.

 

And yes, that was solely about the side issue of whether he needed to die. And why I don't want him dead; one reason, anyway.

[iOnlySignIn]

Precisely. I think he's an even better healer in lore than he is mechanically.

 

DPS Anders >>> Healer Anders

 

Best DPS companion in the game.

[Adanu]

Anders is a hero who used horrible methods to wake people up to the fact that Templars hate mages.

[Bigdoser]

He is the mvp because nightmare is a joke with him in the party. He is the only mage who has cooldown reduction in the game, which means he can heal more in any given time and PERMANENTLY haste the party (refresh it before it ends), that's 450% permanent damage increase for the party. Why go through all that toughness when you can easily relax. The fact that not bringing Anders with you makes the game more challenging speaks volumes about why he is the most valuable.

This is pretty much correct for DAI I am doing nightmare runs to refresh myself we all know what is broken in DAO but then I got to DA2 in DA2 I never really looked at the skills because I was playing on easier difficulties. Then I read some guides pretty much says take anders he never leaves your party ever. So I finally got anders I looked at his tree carefully I was like yup he is really not going anywhere anymore pure numbers and from the videos I have seen he is just waaay too good. 

 

You are correct on that hence why you always see him in most people's nightmare party. The common party I see is merril, anders and varric those three characters are monsters and if you are a mage hawke with force mage spec? GG game. Plus if you get anders to friendship his passive is INSANE for a dps mage I look at it and then I look at the rival one and I was like whaaaa? Then you look at his tree overall and you scratch your head wondering how broken it is and how it got past balancing. 

 

Anders is overall the most overpowered character in the game both in terms dps and support then followed by merril since you don't need willpower at all just con and magic+rock armour. You got a mage that now hits like a truck and can pretty much never die and then force mage hawke pull guys together making sure the enemy does not touch you. 

 

Then varric kills everyone with the cross classing.

 

Oh and killing anders? Its a grey issue no right choice here really. 

[Sidney]

I never enjoyed killing a party member as much as wasting his humorless self - and that is saying something given the huge grin on my face when Kaiden got nuked on Virmire. Guy is a classic fanatic - humorless being a big part of most fanatics - who can justify anything thanks to his narrow and extreme world view.

[Exile Isan]

My Hawke is a mage so Bethany died at the beginning of the game. When Hawke went into the Deep Roads she took Carver and Anders with her. Anders is the only reason her little brother is still alive. And for this reason, as disgusted as she is with his actions, she let him live. 

[Lukas Trevelyan]

It depends on my Hawke, considering I have created a Hawke who isn't entirely like me in numerous things.

My Hawke let Anders live because:

1- He's the reason Carver is still alive.

2- He believes in the good inside Anders.

3- He fell in love with Anders.

4- He knew the 'right thing' was to kill Anders, but he just couldn't. 

[Beerfish]

Anders is a hero who used horrible methods to wake people up to the fact that Templars hate mages.

No.

[Loup Blanc]

Yes, he totally deserved to be executed.

[TheChosenOne]

Yes, he totally deserved to be executed.

You're the last person I would ask for reasons to kill someone, joker

[AlexiaRevan]

My Blood Mage hawke let Anders live (pissing off Sebastian was fun)...my Warrior Hawke killed him .In the Keep...I plan on making a worldstate for both and see what surprises await ! 

[Lilaeth]

You know, if you make a choice and don't like how it plays out, the Keep will let you go back and redo the choice - so pick whichever option makes you happiest, and see how you get on.

[Adanu]

No.

 

Yes.

[Fizzie Panda]

 

I had Hawke kill Anders because...

 

• Hawke had spent a great deal of time and effort trying to keep peace between mages and templars, only to have Anders not only sabotage those efforts but trick Hawke into helping him do it.
• A lot of innocent people died as a result of Anders' actions, both directly and indirectly. 
• Hawke felt partially responsible for it because Anders was his companion, he had trusted that Anders could control Justice/Vengeance, and because he had been tricked into aiding Anders in carrying out the attack. Killing Anders was an effort at righting his own wrongs. He had helped to unleash Anders upon Kirkwall. Now he had a duty to save Kirkwall (or lands beyond) from him.
• Anders had clearly lost control of himself and could no longer be counted on to keep the worst influences of Justice/Vengeance under wraps. He was in a downward spiral and had been for quite some time. Allowing him to live posed a danger to even more innocent lives.
• *snip*

I killed him every. single. time.

 

For all of the above, honestly except pity, so I snipped it.

You spend the entire game trying to keep the peace and protect Grand Cleric Elthina, and he bombs the chantry.

If he had any moral compass he wouldn't of considered his plan.

Yes the mages have it incredibly hard but butchering innocent people is disgusting.

I'm shocked people let him live.

 

But if this becomes an Anders vs. Sebastian debate then let me clarify that I find Sebastian almost as annoying and idiotic.

 

 

I'm Fizzie Panda and I approve this message.

[Barquiel]

Maybe. But I can't bring myself to do it, even if I disapprove of what he did (couldn't he at least blow up Meredith's office and the templar quarters?). I usually send him away.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Maybe. But I can't bring myself to do it, even if I disapprove of what he did (couldn't he at least blow up Meredith's office and the templar quarters?). I usually send him away.

 

So you lose him AND SeaBass? That's kind of sad.